Fun Fact People from Other Countries Arent Entitled to America's Constitutional Protections

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
Donald J Trump

Trump said it himself. It's a Muslim ban

Sounds good to me!

I'm still waiting for ANY leftist to explain to me how importing even one non-citizen Muslim into the United States makes Americans safer.

im still waiting for someone on the right to explain how letting in even 1 non citizen muslim makes americans less safe.

is it an automatic kind of thing?
is there a safety scale kind of deal where each non citizen muslim that comes in it goes down a notch?

how does it work?

It depends if that "1 non citizen Muslim" is going to commit an act of terror or not. The entire point of an immigration ban is to allow us the opportunity to figure a better way to tell which ones are which.

a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner

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originally posted by: rickymouse
But actually, your statement was exactly correct. so was mine.

Gotcha, I see what you are saying and I understand. We are in agreement.

a reply to: windword

Read the OP

To the OP well....even if it's legal and constitutional and not even a bad idea.....(though some may disagree with that final point) if it has to do with Donald J. Trump, the American President, it must not pass.

a reply to: Justso

Why don't you maybe like....read it before you try to tell me that's not what it says?, because I was quoting directly from it when I wrote the reply before.

Go ahead, it's even available online so you don't even have to lift up one of those heavy books, or move at all...

originally posted by: ColdWisdom

Speaking for moment about the non-citizens that are in the United States, what are 'some' of the same rights that they have that ordinary citizens have? As far as I know, they are only entitled to due process. Or was that non-citizens that are here illegally?

Anything covered by the 5th and 14th to start.

a reply to: TinySickTears

"Complete shut down of Muslims"

What about Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? these two places are hotbed for terrorism.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

So 5th is due process and 14th is the right to own property.

So if they make it into our country they are allowed to spend cash money, and the 14th certainly doesn't apply to non-citizens who entered illegally.

And to the issue raised in the OP, anyone who is not yet in the country and does not possess an H1B, green card, or other necessary form of documentation does not have any rights.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Actually it goes beyond that. 5th and 14th are irrelevant with respect to immigration though. It isn't a right.

(h) Nothing in this Act shall be construed to entitle any alien, to whom a visa or other documentation has been issued, to be admitted the United States, if, upon arrival at a port of entry in the United States, he is found to be inadmissible under this Act, or any other provision of law. The substance of this subsection shall appear upon every visa application.

(i) After the issuance of a visa or other documentation to any alien, the consular officer or the Secretary of State may at any time, in his discretion, revoke such visa or other documentation

www.uscis.gov...

The right to exclude or to expel aliens, or any class of aliens, absolutely or upon certain conditions, in war or in peace, is an inherent and inalienable right of every sovereign nation.

supreme.justia.com...

a reply to: ColdWisdom

14th is Equal Protection Under the Law.

Actually it goes beyond that. 5th and 14th are irrelevant with respect to immigration though. It isn't a right.

Which is exactly the discussion I was trying to contribute.

We need to lay this all out on a graph or something, starting with citizens then legal immigrants and so on. Felons and illegal immigrants would be at the bottom and non-citizens who aren't even here yet shouldn't even be on the chart.

edit: Scratch that we noise, the president should make the graph.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
...and the 14th certainly doesn't apply to non-citizens who entered illegally.

Except it does, anyone here, legally or not, is entitled to equal protection. This is settled Constitutional law.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Ok so life, liberty, & property. That's what an illegal is entitled to.

Of course they're entitled to life, what all does liberty entail?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Why the graph? It should be obvious without a graph or explanation. Though non citizens are protected by the Constitution. They aren't given rights such as to vote, but the 5th and 14th do apply to them.

I assume by liberty that means the 1st Amendment applies.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

I'm flying right now and the wi-fi sucks donkeys so I cannot give any detailed replies. Look up who and what the 5th and 14th applies to, specifically in regards non-citizens, the case law will be cited.

ok - heres my take on this :

how did the 18th amendment apply to " non citizens " ??????????????

for the purpose of this thread i imply " non citizen " to mean a foreign national - with no rights to claim US citizenship allowed into the US legally under a visa that permitted a finite stay in the USA

explain that one away

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: ColdWisdom

I'm flying right now and the wi-fi sucks donkeys so I cannot give any detailed replies. Look up who and what the 5th and 14th applies to, specifically in regards non-citizens, the case law will be cited.

This is why we do nto allow them to deboard so they have no US rights coverage. Until they are checked in they ar e under international law only.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

It would have been the same as any other criminal law. If in one country murder is legal and in another it isn't, if someone came from the first country into the second country under a visa they wouldn't be able to murder in that country.

Just closing the consulates might be a option. Or telling them all to go on paid vacation.