How to beat this opponent ?

Your God is a God of fear, hence your current predicament. Try going cold turkey and realize that it is an archaic mindset that believes you can't be good without God. Instead of begging for answers take responsibility for your own life and if it turns out to be a bit mundane find out what it is that you enjoy. Take control and own your situation man.

Having said that its not always as easy as typing this out. I struggled a lot with religion when I was in my teens but somehow you break through that wall and its the most liberating feeling you might ever experience. To use your matrix example, you wake up and realize the world around you is ugly, but beautiful too.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
Your God is a God of fear, hence your current predicament. Try going cold turkey and realize that it is an archaic mindset that believes you can't be good without God. Instead of begging for answers take responsibility for your own life and if it turns out to be a bit mundane find out what it is that you enjoy. Take control and own your situation man.

Having said that its not always as easy as typing this out. I struggled a lot with religion when I was in my teens but somehow you break through that wall and its the most liberating feeling you might ever experience. To use your matrix example, you wake up and realize the world around you is ugly, but beautiful too.

For the third time: So, what fear ?

I guess people who can believe in alien plot, don't understand this simple question, so I will clarify even more:

What is it that am I afraid of ?

Again: Only if you knew nothing, I might start to believe you.

I destroyed religions and you preach me about it.

Residues of religious indoctrination ?

originally posted by: Valar God
I asked for help and this turned into macho-alpha-male contest.

The only way you can help me is by telling the truth I asked.

If you "don't know" what I am talking about - DON'T POST ANYTHING.

Can you control yourself ?

a reply to: Valar God

Okay... I don't believe in alien robots so let's take that out of the equation. And keep in mind that my thoughts on this are simply that, thoughts. I don't have an answer for you but can maybe help you to look at the game or the plan from a different perspective. I've ranked in Muay Thai and as a result of that I have a specific mind-set when fighting an opponent. It doesn't matter what they know, what they can do, what they can see, how strong they are or what perceived super powers they might employ.

Try directing the focus to any and everything except the opponent: the task at hand, the weather, your shoes, other people, the sidelines, music... anything but him. Don't allow him in your thoughts at all, it doesn't matter what kind of power he previously had, it's clear by your writing here that he doesn't control your mind. So don't let him in your thoughts because that will cause a trigger a response that you definitely needed to keep under wraps.

Without a doubt, it's mentally exhausting, but it will do the job. Baby steps... this approach will help a lot as you won't be focusing your attention on him any longer. Eventually you'll believe that he doesn't even exist without your mind believing he does. But that comes later.

Focus on your game. You make the rules for yourself, focus on those rules, your movements, my overall court so to speak and select what you want to change or convey. Remember, your mind, your focus, your rules.

The idea is to de-clutter and eliminate the space occupied by your opponent and how badly you want to beat him by re-directing your internal energy on things that won’t distract you.

You're convinced that you're there to play his game but you're not. Your new game should be how to focus on and exploit his weaknesses one by one. That's the only portion of your opponent you should focus on. Believe me, there are weaknesses and breaking points in everything, in everyone, even in those who seem un-beatable.

You'll lose a bunch of times, seems like you already have. But with each loss comes new knowledge. Don't look at the big picture, focus on yourself, figure out what to do differently next time. The very smallest changes of pattern or behavior matter, they add up to the greatest victory in the end.

If you stop worrying whether you're going to win or lose, you'll be able to focus on your game...

You should take this approach whenever you face any problem. It doesn’t matter whether you’re playing chess or playing for your life; just remember that everything lies in your mind and you have full control over your emotions.

Starting With A Clean Slate: Look at each game or day or hour or second as a new beginning, and don’t bog your mind down with any negative events that happened prior to that new chance. That will only send you sprinting losing direction at full speed. Dwelling on the past just adds clutter.

For example, if you lost yesterday, it means nothing to you today. Understand me? What’s done is done. You can only control what is in front of you. Nothing else deserves your attention but that opponent and the strategy and positioning. Yesterday doesn't matter, tomorrow doesn't matter. Today is the day you need to beat him.

Visualize yourself winning, breaking free, see yourself attaining your goal. We tend to do or at the very least gravitate towards whatever we focus our mind on and again, you are in control of your mind so if you see yourself being less cariing of his plan and more about yourself, making the right choices for yourself, driving him into fits... you'll see his weaknesses coming to light.

On the other hand, if you see yourself losing this match and wondering how on earth are you going to beat this guy? You’ll probably find yourself moping around afterward feeling like # and ranting about it on a public website.

Focus on YOU. All you have to focus on is playing YOUR game and executing your moves, thoughts, ideas... Don’t allow yourself to think about the opponent.

Don’t worry about the what ifs. What if I lose? What if I don’t win this game? Deal with what IS happening. Concentrating on the gray area that may never happen in the first place is a big waste of your time, and mental energy. Whatever happens, you still have to keep fighting anyway so be careless. Whatever happens will happen. The less you care, the less control he has over the outcome. Get it? Don't ever panic. Just analyze, adjust and move on. Remember, it's a game but it doesn't have to start until you get there and it can't truly be won without your consent.

Hope this helped just a little bit. It's a place to start and it's a processes.

Good luck.

originally posted by: NerdGoddess
Dear God, if you can hear me- I'm rooting for you this time. Win the battle. Win it swiftly.

-Alee

First you said that you don't believe in God, now you are begging him for something.

I will take that your persistence here is not out of mare malice, but that you are in struggle.

I guess that you find no flaws in what I say, not the ones that you can rebuke with facts,
and I guess that people around you don't really support your negative stance against me,
at least less and less people do.

So, you are looking for answers.

You are trying to provoke me, by which I would show inconsistency in my behavior with my claims,
or try to find flaws in what I say, or something.

It is natural to believe that you would like to know too what I know but what I said so far is insufficient for you.

First, the answers you are looking for, you will not find, as I said thousands of times before,
trough conflict, but trough goodness.

You don't need to do anything related to what I say.

Do something good.
Do something nice for people you know.
Do something nice for people you don't know.
Do something nice for anyone.
Do something nice for yourself too, but something that does not rely on selfishness.
Yes, you can be nice to yourself without being selfish.
Everyone can live in luxury without them being selfish and without it being on other people's account.
Partially, more or less, that is already happening.

Do that and the answers will come by themselves.

If you want answers, have you put effort in getting them ?
Have you observed things around you ?
The first step in getting answers is observation.
Almost everyone can see, but a few people are actually looking.
"An one-eyed man is a king in the world of blind."
"That's what it says, but that's not what it means."

Let me give you an example and you will see how simple it is and right under your nose.
But you must question things.

I am pretty sure that the aliens showed themselves as highly ethical.
Am I right ?
- "You are right."
Why would highly ethical beings do the things that they did ?

Do you still believe I am an robot ?

If you don't, why would highly ethical beings, in presumably ethical galactic order (I guess they mentioned it and offered integration in it, travels, and what not), do something like this to a living being, alien or human ?

Is there anything in this story that does not fit ?

I don't know, perhaps it is an excellent story except for the ethical violations in it.

Or you think there are none.

Why would they offer you the technology (and whatever) in the way they did ?

I don't know the story but is there anything that doesn't fit and that suggests that something else might be going on and that things aren't as they look like to be ?

I can't help you more.
I don't know the story.
All I know is the truth.
The truth is that you are all wrong.
Still.
The truth is, also, that you will know, sooner or later, that you are wrong.
Do you have any doubt that it is better to correct that mistake immediately ?
Today, please ?

On FATE vs. FREE WILL:

The coward fears the prick of Fate, not he who dares all, becoming himself the dreaded one.

-Elise Cabot

originally posted by: Scorpiogurl
a reply to: Valar God

Okay... I don't believe in alien robots so let's take that out of the equation. And keep in mind that my thoughts on this are simply that, thoughts. I don't have an answer for you but can maybe help you to look at the game or the plan from a different perspective. I've ranked in Muay Thai and as a result of that I have a specific mind-set when fighting an opponent. It doesn't matter what they know, what they can do, what they can see, how strong they are or what perceived super powers they might employ.

Try directing the focus to any and everything except the opponent: the task at hand, the weather, your shoes, other people, the sidelines, music... anything but him. Don't allow him in your thoughts at all, it doesn't matter what kind of power he previously had, it's clear by your writing here that he doesn't control your mind. So don't let him in your thoughts because that will cause a trigger a response that you definitely needed to keep under wraps.

Without a doubt, it's mentally exhausting, but it will do the job. Baby steps... this approach will help a lot as you won't be focusing your attention on him any longer. Eventually you'll believe that he doesn't even exist without your mind believing he does. But that comes later.

Focus on your game. You make the rules for yourself, focus on those rules, your movements, my overall court so to speak and select what you want to change or convey. Remember, your mind, your focus, your rules.

The idea is to de-clutter and eliminate the space occupied by your opponent and how badly you want to beat him by re-directing your internal energy on things that won’t distract you.

You're convinced that you're there to play his game but you're not. Your new game should be how to focus on and exploit his weaknesses one by one. That's the only portion of your opponent you should focus on. Believe me, there are weaknesses and breaking points in everything, in everyone, even in those who seem un-beatable.

You'll lose a bunch of times, seems like you already have. But with each loss comes new knowledge. Don't look at the big picture, focus on yourself, figure out what to do differently next time. The very smallest changes of pattern or behavior matter, they add up to the greatest victory in the end.

If you stop worrying whether you're going to win or lose, you'll be able to focus on your game...

You should take this approach whenever you face any problem. It doesn’t matter whether you’re playing chess or playing for your life; just remember that everything lies in your mind and you have full control over your emotions.

Starting With A Clean Slate: Look at each game or day or hour or second as a new beginning, and don’t bog your mind down with any negative events that happened prior to that new chance. That will only send you sprinting losing direction at full speed. Dwelling on the past just adds clutter.

For example, if you lost yesterday, it means nothing to you today. Understand me? What’s done is done. You can only control what is in front of you. Nothing else deserves your attention but that opponent and the strategy and positioning. Yesterday doesn't matter, tomorrow doesn't matter. Today is the day you need to beat him.

Visualize yourself winning, breaking free, see yourself attaining your goal. We tend to do or at the very least gravitate towards whatever we focus our mind on and again, you are in control of your mind so if you see yourself being less cariing of his plan and more about yourself, making the right choices for yourself, driving him into fits... you'll see his weaknesses coming to light.

On the other hand, if you see yourself losing this match and wondering how on earth are you going to beat this guy? You’ll probably find yourself moping around afterward feeling like # and ranting about it on a public website.

Focus on YOU. All you have to focus on is playing YOUR game and executing your moves, thoughts, ideas... Don’t allow yourself to think about the opponent.

Don’t worry about the what ifs. What if I lose? What if I don’t win this game? Deal with what IS happening. Concentrating on the gray area that may never happen in the first place is a big waste of your time, and mental energy. Whatever happens, you still have to keep fighting anyway so be careless. Whatever happens will happen. The less you care, the less control he has over the outcome. Get it? Don't ever panic. Just analyze, adjust and move on. Remember, it's a game but it doesn't have to start until you get there and it can't truly be won without your consent.

Hope this helped just a little bit. It's a place to start and it's a processes.

Good luck.

You are right, this is mentally exhausting, you have no idea, although I already said that it is.

How do I prevent someone with the ability to read my mind, to read my mind ?

How do I make the rules myself ?
You people, in a joint covert operation, induced my poverty, ruined my life, made it miserable as much as you could, and not only that but you can see that many are still trying, you locked me up in an actual physical dungeon-bucther-shop for a month, and put me in an isolation for the rest of my life, until the end of my life as much as it looks so far.

So how do I change the rules ?

How does "forgetting about the game" enables me to buy basic necessities ?
Not to mention that now everyone else has at least that.
Not to mention that most people have much more than that.
I am not greedy for things, but you are hypocrites.
If you claim that one can do without basic necessities, which even I who claims to be enlightened, against all teachings about the enlightenment that claim that you can do without almost anything, why don't you show that by an example ?
Here, agree right away, if you dare, and the aliens will gladly provide you with such an opportunity.
I will not know about it, but everyone else will.

GO AHEAD !

Everything you said, might be, or might not, be usable in a combat with physical opponent.
How is that usable "against" God ?
That one idiot said that I want to kill him, and I only want to be free.

Furthermore, your suggestions imply some sort of force or violence and you know that I sorted this world (together with God's plot, of course) by using peaceful means and forgiveness, not violence.

You will agree that the method used so far in the world was violence and it brought us nowhere.
You will agree that a lot of people like this new method.

Everything you said, about changing he focus etc, I have already tried.
So what next ?

This doesn't help at all.

Knowing that you know everything and still doing his, make me wonder what is your agenda.

I don't know.

Thanks.

Here, I run into this video, nothing special about it, but the first 20 seconds show how people are content with just basic necessities and how happy they can be while they participate in joint covert torture, started for their own interest, in which they agreed (yes, I am sure that you agreed willingly) to participate out of greed and in which they believed out of imbecilism.

www.youtube.com...

"God" is quite easy to beat, actually.

If the god you're referring to is the one from the Abrahamic religions, then all you need to do is disprove what they claim their god to have done.

That goes for any god within any religion. If that god had some sort of influence on the material world, then it becomes disprovable because it becomes testable.

A god without any defining principles is inherently unfalsifiable, in which case it would be irrational to believe it exists in the first place because there could be no proof for or against such a being.

You've already claimed that the god you refer to is male, so I assume you're referring to Yahweh/Allah. If that's true, then I can explain to you how that particular god does not exist, thus making you "Win" against this battle.

You don't find anything wrong or troublesome that, for every new product that you make, you have to make one fake for the commercial in which you have to install an usb slot for fake charging, or fake battery or other fake features ?

Are real product features listed on the other internet or you too have to sort trough the lies ?

Yes, you know what is a lie, ..... yes, ok ...

originally posted by: Valar God
You don't find anything wrong or troublesome that, for every new product that you make, you have to make one fake for the commercial in which you have to install an usb slot for fake charging, or fake battery or other fake features ?

Are real product features listed on the other internet or you too have to sort trough the lies ?

Yes, you know what is a lie, ..... yes, ok ...

I don't know if this was a response to me or not, but in any case... Believe it or not, but a single individual doesn't need to perform experiments in which that person learns the truth about something in order for knowledge to be formed.

Subjective observation is a massively flawed way of determining reality, because there could plausibly be an infinite amount of external factors that have an effect on that individuals perspective.

This is why the best way of determining what reality is based on a particular subject is through objective reasoning. In this form of study we can cross reference several experiments, which can be repeated by anyone, and all have them come to the same conclusion. We can control the experiment in order to ensure no external factors produce a biased outcome, or were at all influenced by some other forces. This is why Objective Observation is far superior to Subjective observation.

originally posted by: Ghost147
"God" is quite easy to beat, actually.

If the god you're referring to is the one from the Abrahamic religions, then all you need to do is disprove what they claim their god to have done.

That goes for any god within any religion. If that god had some sort of influence on the material world, then it becomes disprovable because it becomes testable.

A god without any defining principles is inherently unfalsifiable, in which case it would be irrational to believe it exists in the first place because there could be no proof for or against such a being.

You've already claimed that the god you refer to is male, so I assume you're referring to Yahweh/Allah. If that's true, then I can explain to you how that particular god does not exist, thus making you "Win" against this battle.

To whom I have to "disprove" that God, if I am fighting against God himself ?

I say "him" because of the rules in my language.
So, how would I address God neutrally, without referring to any gender ?

If you can't prove something, or disprove it, in no way it means that it doesn't exist.
You couldn't prove that warp drive is possible, nor that is impossible, and yet I made it.

Furthermore, the ability to prove something doesn't even apply to visible things.
You saw a bird on your window yesterday.
Prove it !!!

You can't.
It doesn't mean that it didn't happen, and yet it is a simple everyday thing.

Furthermore,
the sky is obviously blue, right ?
It is "obvious" because everyone can see it, right ?

But what if someone doesn't want to come out of ..... house, cave, ... and can't SEE it for themselves.
How would you prove to someone that the sky is blue, a thing that everyone will agree that is obvious ?

The God would have no power if people would stick together.
Yes, he can do a lot of things, flood everyone, kill them in a lot of ways, invent new diseases, fake some aliens, alien attack, etc etc etc.
It is God, he can do ANYTHING.

But if you do the right thing, what is it that you have to fear ?
If he is malicious, you can't avoid it, no matter what you do.
Will you be a slave all your life in order to please him ?
Well, that's how people behaved before I destroyed religions.

And yet, you behave like none of that happened and like you know nothing.

Why ?

That is still a mystery to me.

Not the thing that drives you: malice, selfishness, greed, evil in general,
but the thing they offered you.

I would like to know the story.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
You don't find anything wrong or troublesome that, for every new product that you make, you have to make one fake for the commercial in which you have to install an usb slot for fake charging, or fake battery or other fake features ?

Are real product features listed on the other internet or you too have to sort trough the lies ?

Yes, you know what is a lie, ..... yes, ok ...

I don't know if this was a response to me or not, but in any case... Believe it or not, but a single individual doesn't need to perform experiments in which that person learns the truth about something in order for knowledge to be formed.

Subjective observation is a massively flawed way of determining reality, because there could plausibly be an infinite amount of external factors that have an effect on that individuals perspective.

This is why the best way of determining what reality is based on a particular subject is through objective reasoning. In this form of study we can cross reference several experiments, which can be repeated by anyone, and all have them come to the same conclusion. We can control the experiment in order to ensure no external factors produce a biased outcome, or were at all influenced by some other forces. This is why Objective Observation is far superior to Subjective observation.

You refuted me in order to confirm it in the end ?

On what would you reason if you have nothing to reason on ?

You gather information by observation.
That is the first step and nowhere did I say that it is also the last step.

The point was that most people don't even observe properly.
What will they reason on, when they didn't even do the first step properly ?

You failed on both first and second step.
You proved it by refuting yourself.

I don't wanna argue with you, I am looking for someone to tell me the truth I ASKED, not for fake concern filled with lies.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit:

to be clear, you were arguing subjective/objective observation differences,
while claiming that observation is useless. Or something.

You are trying to refute one point by proving something different, unrelated to original point.

If I would take your argument that "objective" observation is superior to "subjective" one,
let me say that ALL observations are subjective.

What you refer to as "objective" is merely believing someone else and calling it science.



edit2: you mixed observation with reasoning, claiming that reasoning is better than observation
I hope it is clear what you did. Or not.



edit3: did the God/aliens tell you about the warp drive and other things ?
He claims he didn't.
There were other nice things too, that I only solved in my mind and never talked about it.

Wireless teaser gun was such, I guess you know about it, I found an article.

You truly don't know about the warp drive ?

But it is as simple as it can be, I solved it in less than 5 minutes.

originally posted by: Valar God
To whom I have to "disprove" that God, if I am fighting against God himself ?

You disprove it to yourself.

originally posted by: Valar God
I say "him" because of the rules in my language.
So, how would I address God neutrally, without referring to any gender ?

You could simply say "God" and not attribute a gender to it

originally posted by: Valar God
If you can't prove something, or disprove it, in no way it means that it doesn't exist.

If you were to disprove something, then yes, of course that would mean it doesn't exist.

If someone was unfalsifiable, however, then there would simply be no reason to believe it in because you could never show it existed in the first place.

originally posted by: Valar God
You couldn't prove that warp drive is possible, nor that is impossible, and yet I made it.

Ah, I didn't realize I was dealing with a psychotic individual...

We actually do have evidence that a warp drive is possible, by the way.

If you made a warp drive, then obviously you would know that it is possible to make one.

originally posted by: Valar God
Furthermore, the ability to prove something doesn't even apply to visible things.
You saw a bird on your window yesterday.
Prove it !!!

That's why I went into Objective Observation... because Subjectivity is effectively useless.

originally posted by: Valar God
You can't.
It doesn't mean that it didn't happen, and yet it is a simple everyday thing.

Actually, I could, because I could have video evidence of it. I could also have multiple people view the same incident and confirm that I was there, witnessing that same incident.

Right now you're effectively claiming that no murder could ever be solved because you apparently aren't aware of what Objective observation is.

originally posted by: Valar God
Furthermore,
the sky is obviously blue, right ?
It is "obvious" because everyone can see it, right ?
But what if someone doesn't want to come out of ..... house, cave, ... and can't SEE it for themselves.
How would you prove to someone that the sky is blue, a thing that everyone will agree that is obvious ?

Through objective measures.

Firstly, the sky isn't blue to everyone. There are people who are colorblind, for example.

Secondly, The sky isn't blue all the time, it depends on the refraction of the suns light on the atmosphere.

Thirdly, We can prove that with a standard human eye, we perceive the color Blue due to the light wavelengths emitted by the sky and can actually measure how long those wavelengths are, thus placing them on visible light spectrum.

This is actually quite easy to prove objectively

originally posted by: Valar God
The God would have no power if people would stick together.

The god you're referring to doesn't exist, so it's only "power" is through the individuals who wrongly believe it exists.

originally posted by: Valar God
Yes, he can do a lot of things, flood everyone, kill them in a lot of ways, invent new diseases, fake some aliens, alien attack, etc etc etc.
It is God, he can do ANYTHING.

And what evidence do you have that this being can do these things? or has done these things?

originally posted by: Valar God
But if you do the right thing, what is it that you have to fear ?
If he is malicious, you can't avoid it, no matter what you do.
Will you be a slave all your life in order to please him ?
Well, that's how people behaved before I destroyed religions.

What religions have you destroyed, exactly?

originally posted by: Valar God
And yet, you behave like none of that happened and like you know nothing.

Why ?

Because there has been no evidence to suggest such a being that you're claiming exists, does in fact exist.

originally posted by: Valar God
I would like to know the story.

what story?

originally posted by: Valar God

You failed on both first and second step.
You proved it by refuting yourself.

What is "it" that I refuted?

originally posted by: Valar God
I don't wanna argue with you, I am looking for someone to tell me the truth I ASKED, not for fake concern filled with lies.

How am I offering lies when you yourself can cross confirm the conclusions that others have by performing accurate examination and experimentation?

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
To whom I have to "disprove" that God, if I am fighting against God himself ?

You disprove it to yourself.

Why would I, forcefully, disprove something to myself, when I already went trough all observation-reasoning-etc process, attained the enlightenment and know that God exists.

I question it every day already.

My "problem" is not of existence of God, it is of joint covert plot against me by humans.
Of which you are a part too, and you know it.
I can't prove it, which doesn't mean it is not true.

Yes, I admit that if I am in a delusion and demand only the answer here which would contain the truth, the kind of an answer that I find appropriate, it would be impossible for anyone to write anything that I would find satisfactory, in which case no one should write anything else and let this thread die.
Which I demanded and which is perfectly reasonable for someone in such delusion but which none of "sane" people seem to follow in same reasonable manner.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
I say "him" because of the rules in my language.
So, how would I address God neutrally, without referring to any gender ?

You could simply say "God" and not attribute a gender to it

Please "translate me these two sentences in your way:

God exists.
I talked to him yesterday.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
If you can't prove something, or disprove it, in no way it means that it doesn't exist.

If you were to disprove something, then yes, of course that would mean it doesn't exist.

If someone was unfalsifiable, however, then there would simply be no reason to believe it in because you could never show it existed in the first place.

You didn't believe in aliens and they showed up with some plot only an idiot would believe in.
So, you are imagining things ?
No, you already ...... proved.... that the aliens existed before they came ?

Would this be enough on this subject ?
No ?

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
You couldn't prove that warp drive is possible, nor that is impossible, and yet I made it.

Ah, I didn't realize I was dealing with a psychotic individual...

We actually do have evidence that a warp drive is possible, by the way.

If you made a warp drive, then obviously you would know that it is possible to make one.

"We" ?
The ... mob thing I talked about ?

"Evidence ... is possible .... "

I made it.
That makes it real, not evidence of possibility.

I don't know if you know about it or not (I guess it is confirmed in last few minutes, if you didn't)
I kinda don't care either.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
Furthermore, the ability to prove something doesn't even apply to visible things.
You saw a bird on your window yesterday.
Prove it !!!

That's why I went into Objective Observation... because Subjectivity is effectively useless.

I never mentioned "subjective" or "objective".
You did.
When trying to refute me, claiming that any kind of observation is useless and that reasoning is superior to it, which turned into your "objective over subjective superiority".

Do you really don't see this ?

Ask people around you for second opinion, for God's sake (no pun intended)

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
You can't.
It doesn't mean that it didn't happen, and yet it is a simple everyday thing.

Actually, I could, because I could have video evidence of it. I could also have multiple people view the same incident and confirm that I was there, witnessing that same incident.

Right now you're effectively claiming that no murder could ever be solved because you apparently aren't aware of what Objective observation is.

But you don't have a video.
If .. if .. if.
This is without if.
Why people change the parameters of an example in order to prove their point ?

If you saw it alone and haven't filmed it, it still happened although you can't prove it.
Simple as that.

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
Furthermore,
the sky is obviously blue, right ?
It is "obvious" because everyone can see it, right ?
But what if someone doesn't want to come out of ..... house, cave, ... and can't SEE it for themselves.
How would you prove to someone that the sky is blue, a thing that everyone will agree that is obvious ?

Through objective measures.

Firstly, the sky isn't blue to everyone. There are people who are colorblind, for example.

Secondly, The sky isn't blue all the time, it depends on the refraction of the suns light on the atmosphere.

Thirdly, We can prove that with a standard human eye, we perceive the color Blue due to the light wavelengths emitted by the sky and can actually measure how long those wavelengths are, thus placing them on visible light spectrum.

This is actually quite easy to prove objectively

What kind of arguments are those ?

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
The God would have no power if people would stick together.

The god you're referring to doesn't exist, so it's only "power" is through the individuals who wrongly believe it exists.

And how did you, the master of evidence and unfalsiability, PROVE that God doesn't exist, in order to make such claim ?

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
Yes, he can do a lot of things, flood everyone, kill them in a lot of ways, invent new diseases, fake some aliens, alien attack, etc etc etc.
It is God, he can do ANYTHING.

And what evidence do you have that this being can do these things? or has done these things?

I never claimed that I have evidence, nor I claim that it is provable.
I claim that it is the opposite - unprovable

We are talking about God and you discuss it like any other material subject.

if God wanted to be revealed he would do so.
If proving God needed some "evidence" or "proof" it would mean that God didn't want to be seen in that way and he would take measures of ensuring it to be so and nothing you, mortal human who lacks basic argumentative skills, could do to prove that otherwise.

The same example with the sky, whose allegory you don't understand.

No one can prove you that the sky is blue, which would be OBVIOUS to you if you would only bother to look at it.

This is still not enough for you, is it ?

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originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: Valar God
But if you do the right thing, what is it that you have to fear ?
If he is malicious, you can't avoid it, no matter what you do.
Will you be a slave all your life in order to please him ?
Well, that's how people behaved before I destroyed religions.

What religions have you destroyed, exactly?

What is the purpose of what you are doing here ?

Same question to the rest of your .... arguments ...

Did you mention "the evidence of possibility of warp drive" because you wanted to full me or because you truly believe in that ?

I always assume that you people know things and try to lie to me,
but it might be very possible that you are in a bigger delusion than I though you to be.

I saw trough every fake newspaper article, confirming my assumptions or whatever, seeing what it is about,
and you know s*** ????

Seriously ?

originally posted by: Valar God
Did you mention "the evidence of possibility of warp drive" because you wanted to full me or because you truly believe in that ?

I always assume that you people know things and try to lie to me,
but it might be very possible that you are in a bigger delusion than I though you to be.

I saw trough every fake newspaper article, confirming my assumptions or whatever, seeing what it is about,
and you know s*** ????

Seriously ?

edit:
you know nothing about:
- anti-gravity
- warp drive
- superconductors
- atom-layer material
- wireless teaser gun
- anti-blinding car lights system
- jedi sword
- tractor beam
- force field
- secret project
?

edit:
- hologram tv screens ???


edit:
I forgot to add that I don't know if all of these truly work. I can't know. No one can without an experiment. I can't manipulate matter in my mind to try things out.
I know I can make them in some other way, if the ones I tried do not work.
Some of those depend on other inventions that I don't know if they work.
If they do, these new ones are a peace of cake to make and I am surprised that no one did so, in all these years.

What were you distracted with ?

With the things you could have made easily yourself ?

You didn't finish the school required for it ?

The school of kindness and goodness ?

Ok ...

As an example of you not listening,
not only it is mentioned in religious and spiritual texts, directly or in some metaphor/allegory/whatever,
it is in tv shows and movies to,
stealthy hidden in unexpected places.

In GoT, in one of the scenes in Wintefell, in that small forest,
I think that maester said:
"The God is talking to you all the time, only if you listen"
or something in that sense.
Same as "you will find me under the rock ...."

This is true in many ways, literal and .... covert.. ones.

That video link thing and the remote-voice-transmission thing and whatever else is there as a part of your communication with the aliens is such thing.
I don't know if it is a two-way transmission but you were communicating with God all the time, directly.
I don't even know if you actually saw the aliens.
If you haven't, no more words are needed.

Indirectly, that two-way communication is going on all the time, with whatever you do or not.

By not letting me go from your supreme prison, you are saying to God: ..... imagine it yourself.



EDIT:
I would really like to hear one example of some observation (not interpretation)
where "subjective" observation is different than "objective" observation.
Also, how would one know what is the "subjective" one and what is the "objective" one, how to tell the difference, how to know that his "subjective" one is wrong and that he should "use" the "objective" one, and so on.

I don't know if you read about this somewhere and it doesn't matter (I might look at it later but it won't change anything)
but if your "subjective" observation differs from "objective" one, then it is not observation you are talking about,
it is already a thing which went trough the process of interpretation and "reasoning".
I put reasoning under quotes because there was probably no such thing, and the observation was interpreted without any thinking and reasoning involved and took as it appears.

If that "subjective" observation is disproved with "objective" ..... experiments or something, than it is certainly not the observation you are talking about.

I hope this is clear.



Furthermore, observation is a process, not a result.

Seriously ....