bio-fuels, hemp, solar wind geothermal hydro, grey-water recycling, compost toilets, rainwater colle

Maybe ask truckers that drive diesel trucks in cold areas on a regular basis? You know, those other guys with rigs that you'd see sitting in the truck stops, having coffee or something to eat............

any one see anything about the Volkswagon Lupo (SP)? As far as i know it has not been released in the US but when i was in Greenland the Danish ravied about it.

Supposedly the thing gets around 95 mpg (reports vary) on diesel and is way cheaper than a hybrid car and has much longer range too. i guess the drawback is it is about the size of a Cooper Mini.

95 miles per gallon. Sweet.

Troy

plans, plans, plans anyone have plans? not just the "i did it web sites" but real step by step plans?

really interested in the bio diesel, wind farm, and grey water recycling i figure before i go off and re invent the wheel i would ask the worlds largest forum.

Hydro Power posted sometime back, thats good to hear that we have projects underway and in somecases without flooding large areas (bonus).

1992 Mercury 30 to 35 mpg, Town Car 27 using computers!
1960's 50 mpg carb, Snopes ate this one for breakfast, the stories have been around for a lot longer. It's possible that around the 50s or 60s that someone got a carb to do high mpg, but they probably burned up the valves and gave up. Then 2 guys showed up, tinkered under the hood and the carb has never been seen again.
Why is it that a 3700 lb towncar with all the bling and 8 cyls can get 27mpg and a ranger that weighs a lot less with no bling and a 4 popper only get 25mpg?

Try asking a hybrid dealer for a solar panel option!

Originally posted by sardion2000
What about Aqua Fuel

Here is a link with instructions on how to build a proof of concept model.

members.fortunecity.com...

And here is another link talking more about how it works...

www.blazelabs.com...
by sardion2000]

Now if they can reduce the Wattage needed to build the plasma, this would become a super efficent source. Introducing a catalyst into the arc may also reduce power input requirements or increase COH2 production. Also consider, are the carbon rods costly to produce and environmentally safty in mind. I think the gas generator itself is generally eco-safe.
Interesting process.

the hydro generator is cool but it takes WAY more energy to produce the gas it runs on. not practical at all.

any one got real plans for the bio fuel generators?

Originally posted by launchpad
the hydro generator is cool but it takes WAY more energy to produce the gas it runs on. not practical at all.

any one got real plans for the bio fuel generators?

Really? The blaze labs link says otherwise. I have not confirmed it yet(the whole reason why I am conducting experiments with this technology) but when I do I will be more then happy to share my results on ATS whenever that should happen.

INPUT=Watt hr/Litre of our generator = 5400/(40*60)= 2.25 Whr/Litre

OUTPUT=COH2 quoted energy = 380 BTU/cf = 3.93 Whr/Litre

Fuel Conversion efficiency = 3.93/2.25 = 175%, COP=1.75

Of course this does not take into account the amount of energy it takes to manufacture Carbon Rods to make this whole thing work, but that is where I see Carbon Nanotechnology coming into play. I will elaborate more if anyone wishes, but will leave it at that for now.

carbon rods are expendable -- correct? that makes them part of the fuel source and their calculations are ficticious then. i've been playing with the H2O seperations since the 6th grade- way, way back. fun, facinating, but still not ready for putting into use.

Else i'll have a lawnmower running on water next week and my cars just a little further down the road.

Originally posted by sardion2000

Of course this does not take into account the amount of energy it takes to manufacture Carbon Rods to make this whole thing work, but that is where I see Carbon Nanotechnology coming into play. I will elaborate more if anyone wishes, but will leave it at that for now.

Now this is an Idea. If you use N-Tech to make rods that produce a stable plasma at the micro level, you can overcome the need for high energy input. The problem to overcome is that the Carbon is a consumable and the process will be short lived until a feeder method could be developed. Before you think I've flipped a neuron here, think about this. Photosynthesis in a leaf breaks corbon from a CO2 cule and releases the O2 just by the catalyst chlorophyll in the presence of water and sunlight. The sugar is converted to wood or more leaves via nitrates and minerals in the water.
I think that we are close to getting a fuel source that will change the planet. Take this tech out to an oil spill run the water through a converter and produce 100's or cubic feet of this eco-fuel. Other uses, speedup biogas from human and livestock waste and avoid the greehouse gases released from all these farms.

nanos? are you guys serious? NANOS? AS in NANO_BOTS?

are we living in the SAME world? or are we talking about a sci-fi novel? is it so late at night i feel asleep and woke up in THE rabbit hole?

boy, you guys are overly optimistic to expect to see nano bots assembing carbon rods for this device. We are about as close to working nano bots as Galilao was to catching a ride on one of the Apollo missions.

the self healing armour thread pretty much covered where we stand on nano bots at this time. they might make for an interesting thread of their own since they seem to keep coming up.

anyone got anything on the CURRENT tech- concerning bio fuel and possibly wind power? how about plans? looking for plans so i don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Nanotechnology does not mean Nanobots!!!! We are talking about an easier way of collecting Carbon, which does not exist yet, Nanobots do not exist atm, if they did we probably wouldn't be having this discussion eh I have heard of this new system where all it does is suckup C02 use sunlight to break the C from the O2 and stores the C in a safe place, ready for empying. We are being realistic here just looking off into the future a bit(not long but not as long as Nanobots )

Thank Sardion2000, That reference was to Nanotech as in carbon nano-tubes or possibly buckey balls. In some sort of feeder to keep a fresh supply of carbon at the plasma. How carbon nanotubes are special rods would come into place is a matter of physics, getting the most work out of the least amount of energy. But if while some of us are sleeping and we can come up with a nonobot that can bang carbon and hydrogen atoms together to produce this gas then I up for that tech also.

All intentions or serious here, just passing around ideas and who knows someone perusing this board reads this and gets an idea, maybe different, but it sparks a new process and tomorrow we start seeing this stuff hit the market.

WHEEW! (wipes forehead), i was afraid i was going to be shuffeled!

nano tubes i am quite familiar with and if could be produced cheaply be a possibility someday- buckballs however would be difficult to employ.

i stand by my earlier statement that the statements to efficiency are greatly inflated probably as much as 1000% or even more.

still looking for some plans! com'mon folks we got a lot of people here- no windmill plans? no links?

no bio fuel plans? no links? i was sure you conspiracy folks would be the first to try and "get off the grid"- so where are all the folks with the plans???

i throw down the gauntlent!

i stand by my earlier statement that the statements to efficiency are greatly inflated probably as much as 1000% or even more.

I agree which is why I am doing experiments to try to refute or confirm the Blaze labs claims. They have never givin me a reason to doubt them. Why? They aren't the patent holders, this company is...

www.usmagnegas.com...

Aquafuel is just a derivitive of Magnegas which is derived from sewage

As for Nanotubes, I do think they may make a plentiful source of carbon for a system like this, but I still think that my idea is more feasable

[edit on 27-2-2005 by sardion2000]

biting the bullet and starting work on my own Bio-diesel plant;

i have a bit of property to hide it on since i have 2.5 acres- in colorado and diesel prices are going nuts.

it looks like none of you guys have any plans that you are willing to share so i will be re-inventing the wheel to get this done up. It maybe a while until it is operational since i plan to use quality construction and fully automated short of raw material injection and have it transportable via trailer or my f-350.

right now i have started gathering hot water heater tanks- for the various processing stages

i guess i'll keep you all posted on how things turn out.

Here is a website that might help you launchpad

www.electricitybook.com...

sweet! Thanks Sardon!


All other offerings, tid bits and 'what not' will be accepted!

Originally posted by launchpad
sweet! Thanks Sardon!


All other offerings, tid bits and 'what not' will be accepted!

www.realgoods.com...

I get these advertisement catalogues in the mail all the time-

I am interested in seeing how well my 'play' solar set-up works with my new 6 watt light bulb
I also take my diet drink steel cans and flatten them for the metal- (future roofing material maybe for my chicken coop) rainwater goes to the garden- wastewater from the kitchen goes to the landscaping- worm farm gets half the food waste- compost bin gets the other half- save seeds from the 'wild' city- cuttings from the wild 'city' trees- and my dogs are the best vacuum cleaners in town

As in most things, it's not so much a question of technology at this point as of mindset. We are conditioned to use a certain amount of energy and we are conditioned not to think about where it comes from. Part of meeting our energy needs is changing what those needs are (ie: using less).

98% of American households could not survive if they had to be responsible for their own energy generation or waste disposal. Our building codes and zoning regulations raise functional barriers as well.

A man from New Mexico named Michael Reynolds pioneered the "Earthship", a housing system made of automobile tires (a resource that we have in abundance). I've done a good bit of research on it and the associated technologies. The structure is a far superior way to build a dwelling, (heats and cools itself, tornado proof,) but try to get one approved by your local building inspector. Try to get a building permit to build a dwelling with grey water recycling, solar toilet, and rainwater collection. Oh it can be done, but the hoops to jump through are many and often on fire.

If you ask me, every fast flowing river in the US should have 1000s of little microhydro generators next to it. Every roof in the nation should be covered with photovoltaics and solar water heating systems. Windmills should be everywhere. Energy generation should move away from the large scale long distance transmission model for areas where it can, like private residences. I have to say I am delighted when I see road signs powered by solar instead of sucking from the grid.

No. Wind, Solar, and Hydro are not enough by themselves at their current technology levels but I still believe we should be using them where we can. Wind, Sunlight, and Gravity are all free, very clean, and never run out.