Baby Jesus is a Spy and Hidden Hand Solved (almost)

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: Talorc

originally posted by: OwenandNoelle

Isn’t it odd that most of the evil that ever been committed in the world has been done in the name of Christianity and Islam?

Prove it.

ARE YOU KIDDING?? Prove it?? You need some serious history lessons. How bout you go do some learning on your own. You know, like "out of the religious box". There are many other answers out there, to why the world is in the state it's in, BESIDES the Bible. Start with the archons and Gnosticism. Fascinating stuff, and it makes a whole lot more sense than Christianity or any religion for that matter (I include New Age and science in that, too).

Perhaps since the human race existed for at least three and a half million years before Christianity and Islam, that perhaps evil was already quite well established?

... and the concept of the Archons owes its existence to Gnosticism (which preceeded it), which owes its existence to Christianity and Greek Mythology. The oldest example of 'Gnostic' evidence being the the 12 papyrus documents found in a jar at Nag Hammadi and dated to about 400 years after Christ. The Archons are a religious belief and are not well attested to by history.

In my opinion, the Gnostic concept that the spirit world is inherently good and that the material world is inherently evil makes little sense in the light of beliefs, across all human cultures and times, holding predominantly that the supernatural realm is full maleficent entities.

You didn't answer the question.... Why do you think humans "think" they should have the right to take the life of an animal? Or, to eat them?
We have our "cattle" for a food source... what if something else feeds off of us? Like, all the negative we generate.

For an answer to the first question you posed in the previous post we might look in our mouths at our teeth. We have canine teeth specifically adapted to a meat diet.

It is true that we also have teeth adapted to a vegetable diet but primitive communities rarely had sufficient vegetarian food sources prior to intensive high production modern agriculture. There is a reason they call those primitive peoples 'hunter-gatherers', not just 'gatherers'.

So, perhaps, it is nature itself that mandates a reason why we as a species kill for our food.

Also our foods have real energy values. They can be metabolised to produce heat, voltage potentials, movement and to drive endothermic chemical biological processes.

Negativity cannot be metabolised because it is, quite simply, not energetic. A fear of having our negativity (or other emotional response) 'consumed' is not scientifically valid (despite its repeated use as a story device in the lowest class of 'vampire' fiction).

a reply to: chr0naut

Negativity cannot be metabolised because it is, quite simply, not energetic. A fear of having our negativity (or other emotional response) 'consumed' is not scientifically valid (despite its repeated use as a story device in the lowest class of 'vampire' fiction).

Are you so sure? Because, the animals mass produced (or even hunted but don't die right away), do feel terror and pain.
Science does not have all the answers. There are mysteries to this world...especially when you get into the Quantum Physics of things. How can you be so sure that by partaking of another sentient being...especially one that suffered horribly, you aren't somehow, on a quantum level, taking in that animals torment and agony? Bottom line is...you can't. You probably wouldn't even want to think about it, would you?

You are a believer, correct? Can science explain what happens to an individual when they are "born again"?
I do believe that what we consume has the ability to affect our vibration. I also believe (call them demons or whatever) that there ARE parasites all around us, outside of our normal five senses, that can and do feed off of our fear, misery, pain, etc. It's why they seek to promote it even more in humans. They feed off us...like cattle. Just like we treat another sentient species with disregard and lack of empathy.

I'm not even arguing with you that the eating of other beings has been part of our world since whenever. What I was trying to point out is....WHY? Do you see a loving creator, creating a world such as this? Not only that, but there are many people out in the world who have realized there is something truly wrong in that whole scenario...and have chosen to take the higher ground...to not harm other living beings. Interesting that they seem to have higher morals than the supposed creator of this world.

a reply to: chr0naut

Negativity cannot be metabolised because it is, quite simply, not energetic. A fear of having our negativity (or other emotional response) 'consumed' is not scientifically valid (despite its repeated use as a story device in the lowest class of 'vampire' fiction).

Are you so sure? Because, the animals mass produced (or even hunted but don't die right away), do feel terror and pain.
Science does not have all the answers. There are mysteries to this world...especially when you get into the Quantum Physics of things. How can you be so sure that by partaking of another sentient being...especially one that suffered horribly, you aren't somehow, on a quantum level, taking in that animals torment and agony? Bottom line is...you can't. You probably wouldn't even want to think about it, would you?

You are a believer, correct? Can science explain what happens to an individual when they are "born again"?
I do believe that what we consume has the ability to affect our vibration. I also believe (call them demons or whatever) that there ARE parasites all around us, outside of our normal five senses, that can and do feed off of our fear, misery, pain, etc. It's why they seek to promote it even more in humans. They feed off us...like cattle. Just like we treat another sentient species with disregard and lack of empathy.

I'm not even arguing with you that the eating of other beings has been part of our world since whenever. What I was trying to point out is....WHY? Do you see a loving creator, creating a world such as this? Not only that, but there are many people out in the world who have realized there is something truly wrong in that whole scenario...and have chosen to take the higher ground...to not harm other living beings. Interesting that they seem to have higher morals than the supposed creator of this world.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: chr0naut

Negativity cannot be metabolised because it is, quite simply, not energetic. A fear of having our negativity (or other emotional response) 'consumed' is not scientifically valid (despite its repeated use as a story device in the lowest class of 'vampire' fiction).

Are you so sure? Because, the animals mass produced (or even hunted but don't die right away), do feel terror and pain.
Science does not have all the answers. There are mysteries to this world...especially when you get into the Quantum Physics of things.

The mysterious things are things we don't know. Quantum scale happenings may seem weird when viewed from the macro realm but are totally non-mysterious, rational and mathematical when you take the time to study them.

How can you be so sure that by partaking of another sentient being...especially one that suffered horribly, you aren't somehow, on a quantum level, taking in that animals torment and agony? Bottom line is...you can't. You probably wouldn't even want to think about it, would you?

You are a believer, correct? Can science explain what happens to an individual when they are "born again"?
I do believe that what we consume has the ability to affect our vibration.

With simple harmonic motion of objects, frequency is dependent upon mass so I would imagine that eating something affects your vibration because you'd be adding mass.

I also believe (call them demons or whatever) that there ARE parasites all around us, outside of our normal five senses, that can and do feed off of our fear, misery, pain, etc. It's why they seek to promote it even more in humans. They feed off us...like cattle. Just like we treat another sentient species with disregard and lack of empathy.

I'm not even arguing with you that the eating of other beings has been part of our world since whenever. What I was trying to point out is....WHY? Do you see a loving creator, creating a world such as this? Not only that, but there are many people out in the world who have realized there is something truly wrong in that whole scenario...and have chosen to take the higher ground...to not harm other living beings. Interesting that they seem to have higher morals than the supposed creator of this world.

Have you considered that struggle pain and even terror are formative and that a being who never experiences them and avoids the possibility could never mature correctly?

Perhaps God, in his hard love way, wants complete and mature beings who have experience of hard things and can deal with them with grace.

Nothing is wasted everything that is, is necessary.

a reply to: chr0naut

Have you considered that struggle pain and even terror are formative and that a being who never experiences them and avoids the possibility could never mature correctly?

Interesting...so what do the domestic creatures humans subject to inhumane treatment in order to farm them for food, or use for science experiments, need to mature in? I mean, guess that cow needed a hard lesson in suffering for some obscure reason in God's mind.

Nothing is wasted everything that is, is necessary.

Easy to say that if you aren't the one about to be someone or something's dinner, OR some small child that is being subjected to some horrific torture.

a reply to: chr0naut

The mysterious things are things we don't know. Quantum scale happenings may seem weird when viewed from the macro realm but are totally non-mysterious, rational and mathematical when you take the time to study them.

Huh? Even scientists can't explain the things they are discovering through quantum physics...except that this world as we know it, is really not what we think it is. Many mainstream scientists are now coming out with the theory that this world is like a giant simulation (or computer game) and we are simply biological entities partaking in it.
There also seems to be "something" or certain entities that want to keep us in a lower vibration...in order to keep us from realizing who and what we truly are and are capable of.

a reply to: chr0naut


This is a book I read a year ago....here are some of the author's quotes........

Eating Animals Quotes




“While it is always possible to wake a person who's sleeping, no amount of noise will wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals


“Not responding is a response - we are equally responsible for what we don't do.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals


“Just how destructive does a culinary preference have to be before we decide to eat something else? If contributing to the suffering of billions of animals that live miserable lives and (quite often) die in horrific ways isn't motivating, what would be? If being the number one contributor to the most serious threat facing the planet (global warming) isn't enough, what is? And if you are tempted to put off these questions of conscience, to say not now, then when?”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals

“Perhaps in the back of our minds we already understand, without all the science I've discussed, that something terribly wrong is happening. Our sustenance now comes from misery. We know that if someone offers to show us a film on how our meat is produced, it will be a horror film. We perhaps know more than we care to admit, keeping it down in the dark places of our memory-- disavowed. When we eat factory-farmed meat we live, literally, on tortured flesh. Increasingly, that tortured flesh is becoming our own.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals

“I can't count the times that upon telling someone I am vegetarian, he or she responded by pointing out an inconsistency in my lifestyle or trying to find a flaw in an argument I never made. (I have often felt that my vegetarianism matters more to such people than it does to me.)”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals


“If nothing matters, there's nothing to save.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals

“We can't plead ignorance, only indifference. Those alive today are the generations that came to know better. We have the burden and the opportunity of living in the moment when the critique of factory farming broke into the popular consciousness. We are the ones of whom it will be fairly asked, What did you do when you learned the truth about eating animals?”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals

“Whether we change our lives or do nothing, we have responded. To do nothing is to do something.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals


“It shouldn't be the consumer's responsibility to figure out what's cruel and what's kind, what's environmentally destructive and what's sustainable. Cruel and destructive food products should be illegal. We don't need the option of buying children's toys made with lead paint, or aerosols with chlorofluorocarbons, or medicines with unlabeled side effects. And we don't need the option of buying factory-farmed animals.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals

“Not responding is a response--we are equally responsible for what we don't do. In the case of animal slaughter, to throw your hands in the air is to wrap your fingers around a knife handle.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals


“Elsewhere the paper notes that vegetarians and vegans (including athletes) 'meet and exceed requirements' for protein. And, to render the whole we-should-worry-about-getting-enough-protein-and-therefore-eat-meat idea even more useless, other data suggests that excess animal protein intake is linked with osteoporosis, kidney disease, calcium stones in the urinary tract, and some cancers. Despite some persistent confusion, it is clear that vegetarians and vegans tend to have more optimal protein consumption than omnivores. ”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals




“Do you eat chicken because you are familiar with the scientific literature on them and have decided that their suffering doesn't matter, or do you do it because it tastes good?”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals




“Since the world has changed so much, the same values don't lead to the same choices anymore.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals



“Needless to say, jamming deformed, drugged, overstressed birds together in a filthy, waste-coated room is not very healthy. Beyond deformities, eye damage, blindness, bacterial infections of bones, slipped vertebrae, paralysis, internal bleeding, anemia, slipped tendons, twisted lower legs and necks, respiratory diseases, and weakened immune systems are frequent and long-standing problems on factory farms.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals





“If we are not given the option to live without violence, we are given the choice to center our meals around harvest or slaughter, husbandry or war. We have chosen slaughter. We have chosen war. That's the truest version of our story of eating animals.

Can we tell a new story?”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals




“Ironically, the utterly unselective omnivore -- "I'm easy; I'll eat anything" -- can appear more socially sensitive than the individual who tries to eat in a way that is good for society.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals





“If we were to one day encounter a form of life more powerful and intelligent than our own, and it regarded us as we regard fish, what would be our argument against being eaten?”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals



“Humans are the only animals that have children on purpose, keep in touch (or don't), care about birthdays, waste and lose time, brush their teeth, feel nostalgia, scrub stains, have religions and political parties and laws, wear keepsakes, apologize years after an offense, whisper, fear themselves, interpret dreams, hide their genitalia, shave, bury time capsules, and can choose not to eat something for reasons of conscience. The justifications for eating animals and for not eating them are often identical: we are not them.”
― Jonathan Safran Foer, Eating Animals

So, Chronaut,
What does your "heart" tell you is right? Or, do you not trust it, because "Yahweh" said that" the heart is deceitful, therefore it can't be trusted"? That's pretty messed up, don't ya think? We are not to trust in our very own hearts. Wow.
Apparently, only Yahweh knows what's best....yet, he turns a blind eye to all the suffering that HE caused. (that would include the eating of animals and the animal kingdom killing, as well).
My heart tells me to not hurt something that has the "life blood" in it.
But hey, I don't know anything. The more I learn, the more I realize I know nothing.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: chr0naut

The mysterious things are things we don't know. Quantum scale happenings may seem weird when viewed from the macro realm but are totally non-mysterious, rational and mathematical when you take the time to study them.

Huh? Even scientists can't explain the things they are discovering through quantum physics...except that this world as we know it, is really not what we think it is. Many mainstream scientists are now coming out with the theory that this world is like a giant simulation (or computer game) and we are simply biological entities partaking in it.
There also seems to be "something" or certain entities that want to keep us in a lower vibration...in order to keep us from realizing who and what we truly are and are capable of.

Scientists do understand the quantum realm and formulate theories (mostly mathematical as it is hard to test) prior to testing to see if their theories are true. It is called 'scientific method'.

In simulation theories, we are not biological entities experiencing the simulation, we are part of the simulation itself. We are totally simulated and do not have a 'real' existence.

Your repeated misuse of the word "vibration" is a dead give away that you have swallowed 18th century 'spiritualism' mumbo jumbo. Vibrating things at a higher frequency does not grant greater enlightenment or give access to other realms.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: chr0naut

The mysterious things are things we don't know. Quantum scale happenings may seem weird when viewed from the macro realm but are totally non-mysterious, rational and mathematical when you take the time to study them.

Huh? Even scientists can't explain the things they are discovering through quantum physics...except that this world as we know it, is really not what we think it is. Many mainstream scientists are now coming out with the theory that this world is like a giant simulation (or computer game) and we are simply biological entities partaking in it.
There also seems to be "something" or certain entities that want to keep us in a lower vibration...in order to keep us from realizing who and what we truly are and are capable of.

Scientists do understand the quantum realm and formulate theories (mostly mathematical as it is hard to test) prior to testing to see if their theories are true. It is called 'scientific method'.

In simulation theories, we are not biological entities experiencing the simulation, we are part of the simulation itself. We are totally simulated and do not have a 'real' existence.

Your repeated misuse of the word "vibration" is a dead give away that you have swallowed 18th century 'spiritualism' mumbo jumbo. Vibrating things at a higher frequency does not grant greater enlightenment or give access to other realms.

I know, I know....I'm just stupid. OR...maybe I'm looking into other possibilities of what this world is. I definitely don't buy the biblical explanation anymore.
To each his own, right? Good luck with your Christianity. I'm moving forward.

a reply to: tikbalang

"Nature" as you stated, DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING....much less because a female bleeds she is an adult! The "bleeding" part of a female body has very little to do with her being "grown up" or "adult" as you are claiming, so let me ENLIGHTEN you to a few things so you never have to repeat that assumption again. The bleeding part of a female body is strictly HORMONAL and has nothing absolutely nothing with "being an adult". For instance, let me just point out that it has been proven in recent years that because our greedy food industry wants ever increasing profits, they've increasingly practiced injecting milking cows with a # ton of hormones to keep them lactating in ever increasing quantities....good for their pocket book, bad for our human bodies! Little girls who had a diet consisting of regular amounts of this hormone induced milk were alarmingly growing pubic hair and starting menstruation as young as 7 years old due to the excessive amount of hormones they were ingesting from hormone injections in dairy cows. Menstruation is a normal biological process that occurs in a variety of ages in females across the globe, but it all is affected by environmental issues and dietary components. Saying a female is an adult because she menstruates is ignorance because if that were true, then the opposite would also have to be true....females who don't menstruate would have to still be children. For example, a full grown women will have no menstrual cycle for years on end IF SHE IS IN A HIGHLY STRESSED LIVING SITUATION which will then return to a normal cycle once the stress is gone.....women inside prison often do not menstruate, even for years at a time, and nothing else besides situational stress is wrong with them. And if menstruation is the indicator that a 7 year old is an adult because she bleeds, where is Nature when she breeds at that age and has no idea how to take care of a baby or herself in the real world? Is Nature able to instantly equip that girl with skills for paying bills and grocery shopping, getting a job and juggling home life with her career, at such a young age? Why not? I mean, Nature said she is an adult! Why can't she handle the life of an adult then at age 7? She is menstruating after all! Heck, even at 12 and 13 and 14, these young girls that are bleeding are still no where near "adult" and that is why, sir, we have DECLARED AN AGE OF 18 TO BE THE LEGAL ADULT AGE. Because Nature did NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ADULTHOOD IN RELATION TO MENSTRUATION. That is like saying the first time a boy has a wet dream or gets a hard on he is an adult!!! How absurd, if anything that boy is now more confused than ever before in his whole life and far from the label of "a man" at that point, he is still just a young boy figuring out his body and trying to navigate growing up. Same thing for girls.... your body may be CAPABLE of reproducing, but we aren't freaking cats or dogs....being and ADULT in the human arena is far more involved than mere reproduction. I would have to say that some people NEVER BECOME AN ADULT, even if their body is sexy and ready to go! This line of thinking is far from enlightened, but at least you are trying to learn.....I guess there's that.