Dutch embassy and consulate in Turkey sealed off as diplomatic row escalates

a reply to: earthling42

Thanks for bringing a Dutch perspective to this thread. Please do keep us informed if the situation continues to get out of hand, it's always nice to have someone on the ground here!

So, Turkey's Erdogan is trying to rally his supporters in other countries, the Netherlands in this instance, to vote in favor of making him a virtual "President for Life", with the enhanced executive powers that such an official designation entails: i.e. dictatorial.

This is following an attempted "coup" that many suspect was in fact staged by Erdogan himself to eliminate factions within the Turkish government who feared and were resisting his ever-increasing theocratically-tinged shift toward authoritarianism.

There have been rumors that, in his efforts to, some say, crush, the Kurdish minority within Turkey, which he views as dangerous separatists, Erdogan has been becoming increasingly chummy with Russia; who would like nothing better than to see Turkey, currently a NATO treaty member, break with NATO, and thus disrupt a key element of the EU.

This dust-up with EU/NATO member the Netherlands (and perhaps, powerhouse Germany, to follow?) could be just what Erdogan needs/wants to sell Turkey's abandonment of "the West" to the Turkish people. And to deliver Turkey's seaport access to it new ally and friend: Russia.

There seem to be games afoot that can only be described as "Byzantine".

a reply to: earthling42

Thank you for explaining this situation in great detail!

I will be watching this closely, because I think this may be the beginning of something quite sinister on the part of Turkey.

a reply to: Bhadhidar

Maybe ... but I'm afraid Putin is not supporting view of renewed Ottoman empire.

Divide in NATO? It is reality. Half of members does not see Russia as threat. All members agree Erdogan is plain disaster. I'm for dismantling of this cold war relic. Europe should have independent foreign and military policy. Americans are too high on antidepressants and coc aine to be a reliable partners.

loll follow the rising of the new "ottoman" empire....
wat an clouwn .....

The Turkish governement are so way out of line, it's unbelievable. Yesterday morning we (the Dutch governement) tried to setup a reasonable arrangement for the Turkish delegates to have a small-scaled information meeting within the consulate. Instead the Turks publically called out for a mass meeting and threatened the Dutch governement with all kind of sanctions. This provocation could not be ignored, hence it was followed by a denial to land for the Turkish minister of foreign affairs.

The Turks replied to that with stupid, insane rethorics that we are remnants of the nazies, fascists and we would be sanctioned heavily. wow... just wow, coming from them... Don't forget, they want to campaign for their referendum to give Erdogan full control. They have locked up thousands and thousands who merely disagree with the current state of affairs, and they dare to call us nazies?

But it doesn't end here. On the background, the mayor of Rotterdam (Aboutaleb, Marrocan), was ensured by the Turkish consulate no othere visits were expected while they knew the Turksish minister of family affairs, who was in Germany, was heading to Rotterdam by road. They drove with several colones via different routes, simply to deceive the Dutch authorities. The authorities first catched the wrong colone, but right before the consulate they catched her.

I'm proud my country stayed put and didn't allow her in, Four hours later she was escorted back to Germany. But today the provocations and insanity goes on.

This morning at the Dutch embassy in Turkey, the Dutch flag was replaced with a Turkish flag. Really? And now they are demanding excuses! Really? I mean REALLY? What is this insanity that drives those Turks?

Since this is a conspiracy site, I'll give you one theory. Are the Turks trying to force a breakup with NATO? They'd rather be in bed with Putin? For soo long they are trying to get in the EU, yet they do everything to undermine even the first steps in that process.

Consesus here now is, from left to right, conservatives to progresives, the Turks has crossed a line and we have to stay put. This is particularly noteworhty, as it is 4 days before electionday. This event will certainly influence this election but to whoes advantage will depend on what happens the next few days.

a reply to: chrismir

This morning at the Dutch embassy in Turkey, the Dutch flag was replaced with a Turkish flag. Really? And now they are demanding excuses! Really? I mean REALLY? What is this insanity that drives those Turks?

Pride i guess.
With Erdogan they think they have a strong leader, however reality will knock on the door within a few years, but by then it will be a little to late.
What really is an issue is that the dutch Turks do feel more for Turkey then for the Netherlands in which they live and maybe even born.

If there was to be a example of failing multiculturalism, this is it.
Now imagine that these were dutch nationals coming in great masses and waving their dutch flags.
The news would have been 'dutch far right nazi's in Rotterdam' a threat to our nation and especially dumb uneducated Wilders voters of course.

Mark my words, should the PVV win the elections, we will experience the same turmoil like in the US when Trump won the elections unless it is clear that Wilders will not be a part of the new government.
Same goes for France if FN wins the elections, the leftwing will resort to violence.

a reply to: chrismir

Survival instinct finally kicking out? Those salty swamp dwellers are known as stubborn subjects. You were opposing Hapsburgs for more then two hundred years. Respect.

On other hand and in the same time period, Hapsburg monarchy was effective (and bloody) wall between western Europe and Ottoman empire ...

Ataturk must be turning in his grave right now.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: chrismir
Mark my words, should the PVV win the elections, we will experience the same turmoil like in the US when Trump won the elections unless it is clear that Wilders will not be a part of the new government.
Same goes for France if FN wins the elections, the leftwing will resort to violence.

PVV might win the election, certainly with current events in mind. But I don't see them forming a government with enough other parties to gain a majority.

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
a reply to: chrismir

Survival instinct finally kicking out? Those salty swamp dwellers are known as stubborn subjects. You were opposing Hapsburgs for more then two hundred years. Respect.

On other hand and in the same time period, Hapsburg monarchy was effective (and bloody) wall between western Europe and Ottoman empire ...

Survival instinct has been rising amongst the people for some time now, populist parties are gaining approval across Europe. The Dutch (and most of european countries) have always been tolerant people, but when taken advantage of we obviously bite back. And although I have found our government policies on immigration and foreign affairs to be too soft, I'm glad to see them stand up againsts these blatant provocations.

Freedom of travel and Freedom of speech for everyone but Turks , eh ?



Bollocks to all fascists .

a reply to: Wookiep

This looks to be possibly heating up. I never would have thought to see the Netherlands and Turkey squaring off like this. Strange times!

Trump's fault. Obviously.

a reply to: 23432

Your avatar resembles brown shirts as Erdogans mustache resembles Hitler ...

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
a reply to: 23432

Your avatar resembles brown shirts as Erdogans mustache resembles Hitler ...

You need a visit to your optician.

You also need to remember whenever Europa turns to fascism , it is a sign for Russians to teach a lesson to fascists.

originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
a reply to: 23432

Your avatar resembles brown shirts as Erdogans mustache resembles Hitler ...

LOL!!!!

That was a very directed and appropriate comment in response to a comment that represents false equivalency at its best!

A significant political instability in Turkey would inevitably lead to serious difficulties in starting the implementation of economic and tech. development projects that are planned with Russian companies. In particular the nuclear electrical industry.

he has political issues at home, if I remember correctly his party got handed a pretty heavy blow in the last election but the opposition parties could not agree on a coalition to run things so he got to keep his job.he now has an us against them paradigm to use to whip people into a frenzy against the Dutch...which usually leads to folks falling in line behind their government.

manufactured political ploy is fairly obvious.

a reply to: Wookiep
Dutch riot police break up Turkish protest in Rotterdam

Dutch riot police have broken up a protest by more than 1,000 supporters of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan, after diplomatic tensions between Turkey and the Netherlands.

Demonstrators had gathered outside the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam to show support for Mr Erdogan after two Turkish ministers were prevented from addressing a rally in the Dutch city ahead of Turkey's referendum next month.

news.sky.com...

a reply to: 23432

youre funny. If you call losing 20 MILLION people during WW2 teaching someone a lesson you should re learn math. The Russians wouldnt have made it to Germany had the Allies not prepared the way. And, not that its relevant to the thread, but you brought up the russians....so should i remind you that the Russian leadership killed what...between 40 to 50 MILLION of their OWN people!!!

forget about the poor Ukrainians that were starved to death, another 7 to 10 MILLION people.