I was in Palmdale and the Chem-trail pollution was off the charts

originally posted by: slapjacks
a reply to: fema1

The U.S. Airforce must stop this even if they disobey orders.

They're the ones probably flying the planes.

I flew in the Air Force for 25 years.... Where do they put the chemicals?

originally posted by: fema1
They are poisoning us by a wide spread program! When will we bring the government criminals to justice? People are driving around acting insane and people everywhere, their health is making them act in an adverse manner. The U.S. Airforce must stop this even if they disobey orders. The Cabal must and should be stopped!

Lets look at this in a different light...

Water is H2O and that means it only has 10 atoms total. This is very light and so water vapor is able to float, we call them clouds, contrails etc...

When you see a contrail and if it is floating and looks to be growing, it is a water contrail like in your picture.

If the contrail runs downward in steaks and stays thin/not growing then it is a chemtrail...chemicals are very complex modules and so are very heavy and you would see long streaks as they descended to earth. Also, dumping chemicals would typically be done at very low altitudes since at 30,000 feet you would quickly get parts per trillion before it reached the ground and so not making it very effective.

Bombshell air force exposes chem trails lithium trails. I used to take lithium for bipolar 1 disorder!

From Kristen Meghan herself :

My whistleblowing is not related to chemtrails, it is related to industrial ground activities that overexposed the workers and they didn't want it reported, and since I took the samples, they wanted to demonize me in case I spoke out.

It is going through what I did as a whistleblower than led to my activism. Chemtrails and the TSA are my biggest topics I am linked to.

www.metabunk.org...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: fema1
They are poisoning us by a wide spread program! When will we bring the government criminals to justice? People are driving around acting insane and people everywhere, their health is making them act in an adverse manner. The U.S. Airforce must stop this even if they disobey orders. The Cabal must and should be stopped!

Water is H2O and that means it only has 10 atoms total. This is very light and so water vapor is able to float, we call them clouds, contrails etc...

When you see a contrail and if it is floating and looks to be growing, it is a water contrail like in your picture.

To clarify,water vapor is invisible; clear blue skies still contain water vapor, as does the usually clear air that surrounds us. When we see a cloud or a contrail, what we are seeing is liquid water droplets or frozen ice crystals, as opposed to gaseous water vapor (although your second paragraph seems consistent with this clarification).

originally posted by: fema1

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: fema1

The picture of the plan wing you posted is from a cloud seeding operation 2 years ago in India to make it rain. Cloud seeding for that purpose is not considered part of the "chemtrails" debate. Using unsubstantiated pictures out of context without doing sue diligence to qualify the source is not helping. It is only spreading more lies and fears. I ask, for what reason? To sell books/videos/personal-appearances? That, IMO, is the conspiracy here.


Download youtube to mp3: On nine places in maharashtra State caused Artificial Rain

No one is perfect and if I made a mistake on this plane I apologize, however irrelevant chem-trails exist!

If you can explain how to identify a chemtrail as opposed to a contrail, that would be a fantastic start. If you can't, then it kind of beggs the question of how you would be able to tell by sight along what you are actually seeing. You seemed to offer the generic "chemtrails last where contrails don't" theory, but that has been proven false for several decades now.

I really do understand you have a firm belief in this, and you have been trained by those who feed you information to not listen to anything those who oppose trails have to say. Which then brings up the big question, why would you post on a discussion forum if you aren't looking for discussion? My position on this topic has been formed over many years of training, learning, and asking questions. To learn, you have to listen to the answers, otherwise, you aren't gaining any new information. If you wish to discuss this topic rationally, without name calling, and with some dignity, several of us are very willing to have a nice discussion. Starting with you answering the questions brought up in YOUR OP.

There is some amazing resources here with regards to aviation and weather. But you do have to first admit that you might not have all the answers.

a reply to: fema1

Uhm how did you get the Air Force exposing it? That was NASA talking about launching sounding rockets into the ionosphere, far above where planes fly.

originally posted by: fema1
Bombshell air force exposes chem trails lithium trails. I used to take lithium for bipolar 1 disorder!

I encourage you to investigate this particular post in depth. It will go a long way to showing you how gullible nice people are duped into believing garbage from internet snake oil salesmen like Dane Wiggington.

(the contrails you call chemtrails are about 6 miles up, the lithium rocket, which deploys a few pounds of lithium does so about 30 miles up)

www.nasa.gov...

Sooner or later, you will be forced to realize you have been lied to.

a reply to: fema1

Can you supply more details of this video? As per the ATS T&C's we all agreed to when we joined.

15k.) Video links/embeds: You will not embed or Post a link to a video without a reasonable description of its content and why it interests you, is germane to the topics discussed on the Websites or the topic of an existing thread should you post it in a reply to an existing thread.

@ network dude

But you do have to first admit that you might not have all the answers.

I admit I don't have all the answers and I rationally know you don't either! But if you really claim to require an honest debate then read the entirety of this document.

chemtrails


J._Marvin_Herndon



Author of the retracted chemtrail document

a reply to: fema1

when are you referring to? Because here in Germany where we are YESTERDAY it was really weird.....totally grey gauzy sky, raining the whole day and a very pronounced chemical smell in the air....then at night it was totally clear and then all day today totally clear.

I know weather fronts can move in and skies can change very quickly.....so im not alleging anything....but it just FELT off....dont know how else to describe it.

and for the record im not totally convinced of chemtrails the way they are usually talked about. I do believe in particle dispersion programs and weather modification....but im not convinced that everytime i see a contrail that its a chemtrail.

Also something that i have NOT ONCE heard brought up in ANY radio/podcast discussion of chemtrails is whether or not they need to be VISIBLE to do their job. I would think if they are nano sized particles you wouldnt see them AT ALL.

just some thoughts. b

a reply to: tribal

I'm not saying contrails don't exist, but I am saying chemtrails do exist.

The day it was occurring was March 8, 2017. It was awful!

chemtrails

J._Marvin_Herndon


Author of the retracted chemtrail document


J Marvin Herndon More info

1980: US Chemtrails America Decides - to introduce a Dedicated Spray Program to systematically exterminate all life on Earth using many methods including Chemtrails aimed at millions of People across The Earth innitiated by Nato and US Forces Globally turning Nato and US Forces into Global Mass Murderers doing Population Culling. Chemtrails are trails left behind by aerial spraying of toxic chemicals heavy metals bacterias and pathogens into the atmosphere. Most spraying bombardments on Countries on large Population Centers are done at night. Chemtrails affect Everything Flora Fauna all Animals and Everyone on The Planet. Chemtrail residues are found in the air in water samples Everywhere in the food chain on clothes and in hair samples. The elected US Government gives the go ahead to intentional aerial spraying of toxic compounds into the atmosphere unleashes the Greatest Crimes Against the Entire Planet the World has ever seen. North America South America England Europe Middle East Asia New Zealand and Austrlia all report daily barrages of chemtrails sprayed into the atmosphere. Chemtrails kill People slowly with escalating statistics of many People dying from a range of unexplained respitory ailments. Polymer fibres are used as a binding agent for dessicated red blood cells that are combined with anthrax spores lupus smallpox and a mixture of known pathogens to cause Human ill health and deadly to the Human Organism aimed at Major Population Centers are increasing in strength. Aluminium titanium barium salts mycoplasmas with polymer fibers into mixed pathogen cocktails. Chemtrails are trails left behind by Aerial Spraying of Toxic Chemicals Heavy Metals Bacterias and Pathogens into the atmosphere. Most Spraying Bombardments on Countries are on Large Population Centers are done at night. Chemtrails affect Everything Flora Fauna all Animals and Everyone on The Planet. Chemtrail residues are found in the air in water samples Everywhere in the food chain on clothes and in hair samples. Full Blown Chemtrail Bombardments On All Citizens Of Earth - with an overburdened Human Immune System constantly fighting against multiple constant infections coupled with various types of virus toxins bacterias heavy metals and pathogens causes the Human Immune System to be less effective making The Human Immune System unable to fight off common infections colds and influenza's with symptoms of listlessness depression weakened Health System aching joints dissiness allergic reactions shortness of breath lethargic feelings of hopelessness. 2001: 26 June US Chemtrails Center For Disease Control CDC - list Chronic Lower Respitory Diseases from Unknown airborne causes as the 5th leading cause of death in the US an increase of over 3,000 % from previous years.

www.theblackvault.com... rum/general-discussion-topics/disclosing-without-disclosing-1/

a reply to: fema1

And, again, the evidence besides "it sounds good" for it is....

a reply to: fema1

So, a rambling post on another forum is your source evidence? Where are the references? You know, real references to scientific studies or lab test results, and not the unsubstantiated ramblings of a forum poster?

Here at ATS require more than someone's opinion to prove or support a claim. I could post some wild ramblings (including reptilian connections and bible verses as that post in your broken link also did) but it doesn't backup any claims I may make.


PS: In addition, I think that post might violate several ATS T&C's in itself. I recommend you review them before replying. After all, we agreed to abide by them when we joined, as did you.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: fema1
They are poisoning us by a wide spread program! When will we bring the government criminals to justice? People are driving around acting insane and people everywhere, their health is making them act in an adverse manner. The U.S. Airforce must stop this even if they disobey orders. The Cabal must and should be stopped!

Lets look at this in a different light...

Water is H2O and that means it only has 10 atoms total. This is very light and so water vapor is able to float, we call them clouds, contrails etc...

When you see a contrail and if it is floating and looks to be growing, it is a water contrail like in your picture.

If the contrail runs downward in steaks and stays thin/not growing then it is a chemtrail...chemicals are very complex modules and so are very heavy and you would see long streaks as they descended to earth. Also, dumping chemicals would typically be done at very low altitudes since at 30,000 feet you would quickly get parts per trillion before it reached the ground and so not making it very effective.

Where did you come up with the idea that water contains ten atoms?

What you figure is in these chemicals they are supposedly spraying which you think are very complex modules?
Not all chemicals are complex, in all reality, water itself is a chemical.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I'm not saying contrails don't exist, but I am saying chemtrails do exist.

chemtrails
J._Marvin_Herndon
Author of the retracted chemtrail document by said claim of J. Marvin Herdon implies CIA forced the retraction.

Lithium in Chemtrails

originally posted by: Annee
I still think it has something to do with weather manipulation.

I mostly see this in the Sonora desert when there's a storm front not too far away.

That would be because the conditions for persistent contrails are the same for imminent rain - saturated upper atmosphere, with cold upper air coming in.

One can detect 'chemtrail weather' by looking for cirrocumulus mixed with cirrus. It's a dead giveaway. Also pretty accurate at predicting upcoming weather changes.

originally posted by: fema1
Chemtrails are associated with weather modification and I speculate HAARP. So now the debate begins!

And, sadly, ends as abruptly as it began.

HAARP hasn't been online for over a year. To the best of my knowledge, UAF hasn't done more than basic timing alignment and warm up runs to make sure the equipment is intact.

originally posted by: Hecate666
They measured the amount of viruses and cancers???? How the effing eff can you say there were two cancers found in the analysis?

Pfft. That's NOTHING. They detected two VACCINES. Think about that one for a bit. How would you analyze an air sample and come up with two vaccines?