"Republicans slam their own party's Obamacare repeal plans"

a reply to: Metallicus

I'm basing it off the plan as it is currently presented. I cannot speculate as to what may be added or removed in the future. Under the current presentation though the plan is to roll back Medicaid expansion while fining people who have been without insurance for a period of time.

I don't care what may be negotiated in the future. Those two sections right there clearly indicate that at least the authors of this bill don't care about healthcare for the poor.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It's not an issue of networks.

It's an issue of the number of people in insurance pools.

Everyone knows how insurance works. People that aren't using it pay for those that are.

More people cheaper premiums.

Government programs like medicare/medicaid reduced that number in the private sector to the tune of tens of millions(ball park estimate 100+ million.

Get rid of those two programs.

Tort reform.

Check stop price gouging at hospitals.

After all the only function of health insurance is to pay hospital bills.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: thekaliyuga

I am glad that at least one party questions and debates what it is planning to do. You don't see that with the Democrats they just 'pass it to see what is in it'.

Bingo!

Better than hey here is a new and more expensive Healthcare plan! By the way we fired your doctor you have been with for your entire life. Oh and it's a little more expensive with insane deductibles. Sorry you couldn't review it before it was passed, but don't worry its required by law.

Sorry...your health care system still sucks...a fact which astonishes the rest of the world. You deserve better, and you should demand better.

originally posted by: neo96
It's not an issue of networks.

Then how does localized health care become more competitive? Health care costs, like many other costs of living, are regional. The price of health care in Montana is not the same as the cost of health care in Florida.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: neo96

And this bill is going to roll back the Medicaid expansion. At the same time it's going to make it pretty much impossible for people kicked off Medicaid to afford insurance.

Maybe so.

But where in the "bill" does it indicate that?

In my neck of the woods several friends are paying the fine and not getting Obamacare, the system is imploding from within it's flawed nature and insurance companies are fleeing the sinking ship. The only way to get decent healthcare is going to be first: lower the cost by capping the malpractice insurance industry (lawyers included), lowering prescription cost.

a reply to: Metallicus

Well, to be fair, it isn't really the party, more just a few within the party. Most are still wont to mindlessly nod in agreement to whatever the "leaders" produce.

a reply to: manuelram16

At my office, the janitor makes too much to qualify for subsidies, but too little to actually be able to afford the insurance, so he's taking the "tax" hit and just living life without health insurance. He was able to afford it before the PPACA went into full effect.

Go figure.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: thekaliyuga

I am glad that at least one party questions and debates what it is planning to do. You don't see that with the Democrats they just 'pass it to see what is in it'.

Bingo!

Better than hey here is a new and more expensive Healthcare plan! By the way we fired your doctor you have been with for your entire life. Oh and it's a little more expensive with insane deductibles. Sorry you couldn't review it before it was passed, but don't worry its required by law.

Sorry...your health care system still sucks...a fact which astonishes the rest of the world. You deserve better, and you should demand better.

You're preaching to the choir.

How can anyone expect to get affordable medical care when it's a for profit industry. Tell me what incentives would change the system where the rich profit from the underclasses.

It's the proven model for capitalism...business as usual.

I thank God for my union. At least I get affordable health care and a retirement; strength in numbers!

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: syrinx high priest

Competition is getting the government the hell out of providing free corporate products to the masses.

Which is what healthcare is. A corporate product.

So you see healthcare as a product for corporations to make a profit off of? Wow!

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Now he can pay the 30% penalty and give it to the insurance companies. That's much better than the government subsidizing him and his family.

This was always going to be a challenge for Trump... he's a moderate and does not want to remove entitlements from those that have them to enable them to afford healthcare. However, the hard right want to to go a different way. This will be interesting... if Democrats have ANY sense they will support the bill and nurture a divide in the Republican party... are they that smart though? Can they see past their noses?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

For it to even be remotely successful you need competition in the form of being able to purchase out of state insurance plans. This bill will never make it through Congress.

Insurance companies can in many States sell across state lines. They choose NOT to because it is crazy difficult to pull off.

This sounds good, but is much easier said and theorized than accomplished due to the way insurance markets work. They can't just put up a shingle in another state and sell, they have to have a "network," preferably a large one, of hospitals, clinics and doctors before they can sell. This takes time and money. They need this to be able to negotiate prices. They also need large numbers of people in their pool to be able to cover costs as well as have more power to negotiate terms within their network, and to increase their network. It's hard enough to do this in one state. Across state lines also adds state specific laws and a need to create specialized plans and pricing for each state they work in.

So far no company has been able to crack this nut.

So, I would say honestly that this has been a very impractical talking point.

a reply to: thekaliyuga

Horribly fake op!

a reply to: thekaliyuga

if you want a great health care system, make all elected officials use what ever plan they come up with.

a reply to: AboveBoard

Insurance companies can in many States sell across state lines. They choose NOT to because it is crazy difficult to pull off.

What? That doesn't make sense.....

Why should it be any different for Insurance companies, when plenty of other corporation not only cross state lines but sell their products internationally? Insurance is after all a product, same as another legal instrument.

originally posted by: AboveBoard
They can't just put up a shingle in another state and sell, they have to have a "network," ...

Understood, I mentioned this in a later post.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

The ACA, like it or not, depends on employer mandates. Why doesn't the company that employs your building's janitor offer him health insurance through his job? Maybe he needs to find a new building to work in!

I'm surprised Trumpsupports this bill.
It's Paul Ryan's baby. Steve Bannon hates Ryan. It is already looking like a few Republicans with spine aren't supporting this especially in the Senate. The minute Trump thinks this bill will make him look bad, he will drop kick it.

I predict he will be denouncing it before the end of the week.