Who is ordering the politically corrrect social engineering in the West?

Who is ordering it? I don't know. What's behind it? The Frankfurt School.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Can't argue with that.

originally posted by: Tiger5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Tiger5

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: Tiger5

It is not a threat it is a certainty.

You have no right to control others with your extremism. What is right for you is not right for me and the other 7 or so billion of us.

Stay out of my business as I stay out of yours. I do not want any control freak interfering with my behaviour. Do you understand?

I am a liberal. I could not give a Flying Yu know what about your actions if they do not affect me. I never tell people how to live. Go back and read my post. I am a liberal so you can go and do what you like under the law. I am not a policeman so you have nothing to fear from me.

This is ATS if you post here people will reply as is their democratic right. Some will agree with you and see the monsters that exist under your bed other will not.

Now go back and read this post again and reply if you have something sensible to write. I am soooo scared of you!!!!

You are not a liberal.. You are a fake liberal. I know this because a real liberal would never justify the govt (or other forces) dictating the kind of social issues that were discussed in the OP. You seem happy to pretend you are for live and let live, yet strike out at a poster who criticises or asks questions about where all these laws are coming from and why. They do not represent a live and let live approach, they represent a massive over reach by those who govern.

Carry on pretending though, whilst cheer leading and defending those that are doing your dirty work for you.

I think that you are mistaking liberalism for anarchism. I know I am for a live and let live society. You do not know my innermost thought. I could very well say that you are an intelligent ape but what does that really mean.

Carry on with your rubbish arguments. It is your democratic right to do so. Honestly! Did you even read about my initial post?? Context helps us to understand!

You seem to be all for the engineering of society to suit your views. That is not liberalism. The absence of such engineering is also not anarchy.

Whenever a few people in govt, or in any other institution, try to impose a set of morals on the masses, a liberal (or any free thinker) would stand opposed. You are pretending to be something you are not, and your words reveal you, not your inner most thoughts.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
Who is ordering it? I don't know. What's behind it? The Frankfurt School.

I think it is a lot more than that, but that mumbo jumbo being taken seriously by anyone in a powerful place raises my Spock eyebrow.

I am just moaning really. I get concerned because we are having an extreme agenda forced on us in ever increasing circles. I am just wanting to look out for us all because I care about freedom for us all. I care about gay people, too, if they did but know it. You see, I know if they force this liberal agenda on us we will walk the other way. That means we could be being played to move drastically right because they want that to be so. I don't trust them to be forthright and honest you see.

I DON'T WANT A RIGHT WING EXTREME BACKLASH where every minority is scowled at ultimately. I am playing a game of balance. There is sooo much I don't like about right wing politics, but I am forced to steer that way in order to counteract the liberal craziness that the elites are forcing on the governments against the will of the masses. Trouble is a brewin' for us all if we keep up these extremes without a democratic and considered conscious government that guards us all from extreme ideologies. As it stands we are undoubtedly being extremely socially engineered, akin to the days of Nazi Germany to conform to a very odd man made code of behavior that acts like a religion, governs like a government, spies like an agent, polices like a police person, judges like a judge with NONE of the authority of those institutions.

It is plain to see. If democracy chooses it then I must accept it and do my best to live with it, but even democracy is saying clearly they do not want the political correctness moral code being enforced by the state. Democracy is being bypassed and manipulated to ends of social conditioning and manipulation.

They took religion out of state affairs. Ideologies like political correctness are even worse and they have no place in decision making on a state level.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yes. I'm thinking Authoritarian to the highest possible degree. I guess they don't get how the 1984 reference ties in so well to today's "liberal" (but not ACTUAL liberal) society.

Such a succint Op.
The threat is real.
Down is up and up is down, but says who?
Says you? And the other guy? Cause he read it on his favorite blog?

The fracturing of our very universe into at least two paralell realities is as metaphorically pertanent as it is unnervingly tangible.

As well as who, i would like to know to what end.
Im was once pretty sure that the master manipulators had decided this kind of social engineering was both more profitable and more effective than war and dictatorship.
Now I am starting to think that the internet and technology has run amok as tools they once used. Now the rules have changed and to what we dont know and it is so obvious and yet so confusing that we will almost certainly someday look back with the most clarity that we have ever witnessed, the coming and going of this age.
With that, the creepy doom which hangs over us is the knowledge that no powerful melevolent force would ever allow his trial and that therefore the threat of total anhiliation looms as some last-ditch ace in the hole....

If they cant have it we cant have it.....


I just hope there are some truly powerful good guys out there as well....

For me PC has meant that it is no long socially acceptable to call people/cultures out on their BS and as such rather than standards being raised we now see once prosperous areas of the world being brought down inline with the worst traits of so called third world nations and all the economical and social issues that it brings.

Case in point there is a reason why people are saying Europe has turned into a sh1t hole, it is fairly clear why this has happened but how dare you point it out you racist, nazi, bigot...

My gut feeling and I say this as I reach for the tin foil hat is simply to silence people into accepting a wave of migrants with the pretext to watering down any feeling of national pride and identity and as such a population that lacks either will be far easier to control and dictate to.

PC and accepting migration regardless are very closely tied together. I believe the "identity" warriors (Professional complainers) have simply jumped on the bandwagon.

You will also notice that it is native white countries that are having this pushed on them, PC culture does not exist in South East Asia for example and if you was to try and do the same thing in other parts of the world such as the Middle east then you would have a sh1t storm.

I concur that social engineering and PC culture are linked, sadly I think a majority of the population are either silenced into saying anything due again to it be totally socially unacceptable or are just far to consumed with current media trends and telling people about their last sh1t on Facebook..

RA

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes. I'm thinking Authoritarian to the highest possible degree. I guess they don't get how the 1984 reference ties in so well to today's "liberal" (but not ACTUAL liberal) society.

It's called Liberal Facsism (or the Progressive movement)... good seminar from the Heritage Foundation

a reply to: Revolution9

I suppose that you do not understand irony or sarcasm. Let me make myself very clear. I am not scared of you. I was being sarcastic. I hope you understand me now.


Moving on. I am now a liberal. I was a card carrying revolutionary leftist the kind of people who disliked even the 4th international. I uphold the left's dreams of social equality for all. I just dislike the right wing agenda and also the slogan politics of the left leaning social democrats. Did you read the questions that I posted in my first contribution?


I am sorry if my take on politic is complicated but politics is complex. There is no nirvana to be had on earth be it right or left. I am not scared of Trump he won an election but Pence awaits. The Republicans know Trump is an expendable buffoon. Trump is not the Messiah.

I repeat that there are more important things going on right now than gesture politics about freakin traffic lights!

a reply to: UKTruth

I feel compelled to re-post this great (yet short) explanation of modern "regressive" liberalism from an actual classic gay pro choice liberal.

a reply to: slider1982

You will also notice that is native white countries that are having this pushed on them, PC culture does not exist in South East Asia for example and if you was to try and do the same thing in other parts of the world such as the Middle east then you would have a sh1t storm.

Exactly. If we carry on like this they will still have their cultures and we will be destroyed. I have made this argument so often. Press outlets like "The Guardian" will glorify Hindu Weddings (and so they should as they are very beautiful) while laying into our own institutions. They are destroying us culturally worse than any IS monument destroying. We are made to feel shamed at our own Christian Weddings (equally beautiful and almost non existent in the West now except if you have lots of money) as though they are politically incorrect. We have created a cultural wasteland for ourselves for any vulture to circle above. So sad.

If the U.S, the independent now UK and all the European countries can recover their lovely individualistic identities and consign political correctness to the trash can of history as a mistake like communism, and if it is not too late, good luck to them.

a reply to: slider1982

I thik youre spot on.
I also think Westerners and particularly whites have gotten completely out of their cage and the only way they can think to put us back in is to water our culture down.. like yesterday soon.
I only say whites not because im a racist ass, but because we historically have theleast amount of tolerance or neccessity for authoritarian coddling, and our ancestors seem to tend to prefer and excel at solving problems ourselves.

a reply to: Revolution9

I blame globalism.
I'll try and be brief...
The standard of living in the west is generally considered to be above that of most of the rest of the world.

The globalists want to "level the playing field", you know, even things out a bit.

However, they do not have the power to raise the standard of living for the rest of the world so this means lowering standards in the west.

Don't forget.... They're doing it for our own good!

Or so we're told.

Keep dividing and conquering. We fall for it all the time.

a reply to: Tiger5

I repeat that there are more important things going on right now than gesture politics about freakin traffic lights!

But we both know it is about a whole lot more than traffic lights. When valuable public money that could be used to fund nurses and homeless shelters gets used like that I see red like a bull. It is the tip of the iceberg. Life is made up of tiny units like gender, traffic lights, school books, education programming, press biases, hidden hand shakes, peer pressuring, movie making, advertising, dictating, silencing, glorifying, opportunity providing and opportunity denying, resource supplying and resource denying. Play is being dictated and not governed. Ideology is being allowed to interfere as one presiding power with its own unique dogma and forcing us all to obey by changing the very law to match its needs; a creepy virus we need a cure for and a vaccine against.

a reply to: Revolution9

The answer is the earth is under a sort of martial law imposed by the ETs as they are forcing modern world governments to accept what were formerly unacceptable changes across the whole spectrum of human existence. To paraphrase from the old Godfather movie, "it was an offer that we could not refuse." On governmental levels across the globe, a tightly controlled socialism will be the system by which we are governed.

In the personal realm drive for social re-engineering is related, but seemingly completely different. Let the current issue of the social acceptance (or not) of transgender identity be an object lesson in this transformation. On a social level, the commonly accepted angle of looking at that issue, is completely understandably human. By almost all, old social standards, it is completely wrong!

Factor in the recognition that humans are only one biological mix in the cosmic pot, and what life actually means takes on a different perspective. Other than a cornerstone of a material, interactive physical existence with the environment, it is merely one of the markers toward the ultimate and should not be dwelt upon or honored with finality as it is in our current cultures and societies.

Remove the argument to a higher plane of being (not existence) and the truth becomes clear. An(y) entity is not merely something physical but primarily of some degree of consciousness. consciousness, that bit of awareness that we call carry around in our heads, is the primary force of the universe (even at the lower level we utilize it). Physical or even mental gender identification is a based on a material, biological trait that is way beneath something greater. We are being urged to strive toward the greater.

a reply to: Revolution9
The more I read about true history,the more I see man has actually devolved,this is another attempt at dumbing down society trying to give everyone an inferiority complex,common sense it divides unity,one thing liberal's can't understand because they are too self centered,just like the governments want them

a reply to: Revolution9

There is no "society" any more. Just lots and lots of "special" groups who each believe that they know best.
Its been nurtured and encouraged quite slowly and fairly gently up until now.

This fake new "society" likes to concentrate on the needs of these special groups and I suppose, in some ways, there has been some benefits but if we were to really examine all of these groups you may start to realise that they are exclusive.

And guess who's been excluded......

a reply to: Aliensun

The answer is the earth is under a sort of martial law imposed by the ETs as they are forcing modern world governments to accept what were formerly unacceptable changes across the whole spectrum of human existence.

If the goal is to equalize every aspect of life and culture, in the interests of some airy fairy notion of higher calling then I want no part of it. Who needs martial law imposed by aliens when already strides are made to normalize transhumanism.

You may find assimilation with the borg comforting, I have seen what happens when a Nations identity and heritage is re-engineered by force.

a reply to: Revolution9

If we are not allowed to practice free will then we are to all intents and purposes a slave to someone or something. Voting is a protected act of free will with a fair and non extreme choice. Like Winston said this is the best we can hope to achieve. Law must be legislated and protected democratically according to the choice of voters where all can state their case, not just the cream at the top of the milk carton. Political Correctness is being FORCED onto all the Western nations increasingly to their distaste and rejection. We all have to deal with that whether we like it or not and keep it in the middle. Either side in extremes is a big problem...like Winston said (lol, both Winstons )

That is my message to you my fellow ATS dealers in rumours and whispers. You are the REAL X FILES.

a reply to: Aliensun

We are being urged to strive toward the greater.

This is not greater. By their own admission they have changed the traffic lights as part of a social conditioning, psychological ploy, social engineering strategy. It is happening in Australia, UK, U.S, France, Germany and anywhere else that will have it as part of some club above and beyond democracy that they tell us is our government, but in the next sentence spit at with contempt with their real motives. The BBC front page and The Guardian, CNN all have exactly the same news every day that is on the TV and other News sites, all with the same POLITICAL CORRECTNESS News, all synchronized tidier than Swatty Pant's homework book. It is downright Orwellian, just like Big Brother News on every mass media source.

It has become a sterile wasteland worse than anything the old U.S.S.R concocted.