Bill Nye is an idiot

Bernie Sanders and Bill Nye the science guy sat down and talked climate change a couple days ago, watching it now. I am not making this up, Bill Nye states that 1/4 the province of Alberta is now denuded, the forest has been scraped away to get at the oil sands.  I'd love to grab him by his damn bowtie and tell him to quit lying.  Do people believe this? It's shocking. His statements are 11:41 into the video. He goes on to say he's a mechanical engineer. The guy is either lying straight out or just incredibly stupid.

a reply to: D8Tee

It would be great if your thread showed irrefutable proof that his statement was wrong, but... sigh... instead this thread looks more like a rant.

a reply to: D8Tee

He's wrong all the time. But you should show proof of his error.

While his statement is probably widely exaggerated. This doesn't sway away from the fact that Alberta Canada's trees are being cut down at an astounding rate. Here are some figures.

The information was compiled and processed by scientists and technicians at the University of Maryland and Google Earth. It used Landsat imagery from 2000 to 2012 to study how forest cover has changed globally. Lee used that information to look at Alberta, where previous studies had already found the most industrially affected forests in Canada. He found that in those 12 years, the eastern slopes of the Rockies lost 6.8 per cent of their forests that weren't in a protected area. That outpaced the rate of deforestation in the oilsands region, which came in at 5.5 per cent. The Canadian average was 3.1 per cent. Brazil's average was 4.3 per cent, the U.S. was 2.9 per cent and Russia came in at 2.2 per cent.

Link

a reply to: TheLotLizard

6.8% =/= 25%

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Did you not read how i said his statement is widely exaggerated?

Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer.
He is also an entertainer and gets paid to be on TV.
He makes a lot of valid points but he also makes a lot of money.
I am sure some of that money influences his agenda.
He should speak with more facts, less conjecture.


Personally I enjoyed Mr. Wizard.

a reply to: D8Tee

Don't forget to mention that Bill Nye isn't a real scientist.

Just like Bernie isn't a real liberal.

I only read the thread title and thought, "Duh."

a reply to: D8Tee

23% of Alberta's land has been earmarked or converted into oil sands territory.

Half of my family works in the oil sands or natural gas sector of Alberta and have confirmed this as being the case. The deforestation is ongoing.

It probably won't amount to 1/4 of total forest land being converted mind you, so yes that's exaggerated.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: D8Tee

23% of Alberta's land has been earmarked or converted into oil sands territory.

Half of my family works in the oil sands or natural gas sector of Alberta and have confirmed this as being the case. The deforestation is ongoing.

It probably won't amount to 1/4 of total forest land being converted mind you, so yes that's exaggerated.

~Tenth

He specifically states that 1/4 of the province of Alberta has been denuded, the forest has been scraped away.

Area of the province of Alberta is 661,848 km².
No, 23% of the province has not been earmarked for oil sands activity, that is ridiculous.

By surface area, only 3% of the Alberta oil sands is mineable. The remaining 97% is too deep to be mined and can only extracted in-place with minimal land disturbance. Currently, the active mining footprint is about 760 square kilometres, equivalent to the size of Edmonton. Learn more about land usage and how oil sands mining operators are reclaiming the landscape.
www.oilsandsmagazine.com...

a reply to: D8Tee

The total area of tar sands deposits sits at 141,000 km2.

So by my calculations that's about 21%.

OH I see what you're getting at now. ( i just read your link)

Nevermind.

I thought we were just discussing the total amounts.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: D8Tee

The total area of tar sands deposits sits at 141,000 km2.

So by my calculations that's about 21%.

OH I see what you're getting at now. ( i just read your link)

Nevermind.

I thought we were just discussing the total amounts.

~Tenth

The oilsands aren't the boogeyman they've been made out to be.
I've been there. Many times.
Not like it was a hotspot for tourism before they were developed, it's muskeg and scrubby bushland.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

I did. Just wanted to put it down in simple math.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: D8Tee

It would be great if your thread showed irrefutable proof that his statement was wrong, but... sigh... instead this thread looks more like a rant.

About 760 square kilometres of land has been disturbed by the oil sands, mostly through surface mining. This amounts to 0.1% of Alberta. Does that satisfy your requirements for irrefutable proof? This wasn't an exaggeration, this was an outright lie to further an agenda.

There is rarely any proper debate anymore, put two bozos on a platform and let them spew their lies.

I live in Alberta this statement is utter b.s. lol 1/4 of Alberta .

a reply to: havok

He wasn't mr. wizard. Mr. Wizard actually used scientific principles. He was Bill Nye the science guy...

Jaden

originally posted by: freedomSlave
I live in Alberta this statement is utter b.s. lol 1/4 of Alberta .

They keep trotting Nye out because they think it will keep the twenty and thirty-somethings in lock-step since they grew up watching him, hoping that nostalgia will keep them in line.

the best source for climate change data is the berkely earth project

if you really care about the issue, you should spend 90 minutes here;

Berkely Earth Sciences Project

using Nye as some sort of standard is silly

go to the source

"Alberta's oil sands underlie 142,200 square kilometres (km2) of land in the Athabasca, Cold Lake and Peace River areas in northern Alberta.
Reserves shallow enough to mine (up to 75 meters) are found only within the Athabasca oil sands area. Surface Mineable Area (SMA) equals to about 4,800 km2 and accounts for about 3.4 per cent of total oil sands area."

www.energy.alberta.ca...