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Are dreams an observation or a session where we partake in a parallel life?
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I've noticed the bizarre claims of many in the field of esp and foreseeing the future. When we dream, we tend to witness ourselves from a 3rd person
point of view. Could it be that we view parallel lives while in sleep? Or could it be that we become a part of our own parallel sub-conscience?
I ask this because when we dream, many of the events seem so unfamiliar and wild, things you cannot understand, things you've never thought of, it all kind of doesn't make sense. However, sleep is actually just deep meditation. Meditation tends to help the mind from an overload of data by allowing the mind to relax. With that said, meditation has been linked to monks, the spiritual side and everything that has to do with the magic mind science. Many believe or have stated that if you can completely control it you'll be unstoppable and some even speak of infinite intelligence. Meditation is also linked to astral projection, which suggests the conscious you leaves your body to explore your very own universe and time, meditation would be equivalent to conscious sleep then, wouldn't you say? (I've never seen the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection)
With the above, we've never heard of someone 'witness the future' through astral projection/lucid dreaming, however, through regular sleep, we have countless friends who state they have witnessed the future or 'saw this coming'. With the floating idea of infinite parallel universes, there are bound to be those that are exactly the same, there are some which are months ahead, some months behind. If one should be able to become a part of someones subconscious while in dream, you'd be able to partake in a life that is yours but in a parallel space.
If you've noticed in dreams, there are times you only process a few things which seem to make no sense, much like our very own subconscience, there's no major grasp to every detail but there are a few things we will remember for a reason we probably will never figure out. Then there are times in our dreams where things are happening and we cannot control it which suggests we aren't the primary controller of our dreams, but there are also times our dream thoughts are acted upon, essentially suggesting, we aren't in full control but have some influence. Much like our subconscious.
This would explain quite a few events for me, well mostly just two, or well one.
De-Ja-Vu/Future Forecasting;
Many times we feel like 'I've seen this before' the exact play by play, while the scientific community seems to leans toward it being 'misconception of memory' I'd like to believe that De-Ja-Vu especially when you keep quiet and witness the entire event do happen and aren't just a false memory. It's never happened before and you're completely able to see the play by play before it happens. This suggests you've witnessed it before whether it be in dreams of in life or the shared consciousness of another you in a parallel space who is currently resting.
I ask this because when we dream, many of the events seem so unfamiliar and wild, things you cannot understand, things you've never thought of, it all kind of doesn't make sense. However, sleep is actually just deep meditation. Meditation tends to help the mind from an overload of data by allowing the mind to relax. With that said, meditation has been linked to monks, the spiritual side and everything that has to do with the magic mind science. Many believe or have stated that if you can completely control it you'll be unstoppable and some even speak of infinite intelligence. Meditation is also linked to astral projection, which suggests the conscious you leaves your body to explore your very own universe and time, meditation would be equivalent to conscious sleep then, wouldn't you say? (I've never seen the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection)
With the above, we've never heard of someone 'witness the future' through astral projection/lucid dreaming, however, through regular sleep, we have countless friends who state they have witnessed the future or 'saw this coming'. With the floating idea of infinite parallel universes, there are bound to be those that are exactly the same, there are some which are months ahead, some months behind. If one should be able to become a part of someones subconscious while in dream, you'd be able to partake in a life that is yours but in a parallel space.
If you've noticed in dreams, there are times you only process a few things which seem to make no sense, much like our very own subconscience, there's no major grasp to every detail but there are a few things we will remember for a reason we probably will never figure out. Then there are times in our dreams where things are happening and we cannot control it which suggests we aren't the primary controller of our dreams, but there are also times our dream thoughts are acted upon, essentially suggesting, we aren't in full control but have some influence. Much like our subconscious.
This would explain quite a few events for me, well mostly just two, or well one.
De-Ja-Vu/Future Forecasting;
Many times we feel like 'I've seen this before' the exact play by play, while the scientific community seems to leans toward it being 'misconception of memory' I'd like to believe that De-Ja-Vu especially when you keep quiet and witness the entire event do happen and aren't just a false memory. It's never happened before and you're completely able to see the play by play before it happens. This suggests you've witnessed it before whether it be in dreams of in life or the shared consciousness of another you in a parallel space who is currently resting.
Well, i think when we are dreaming, all the stuff we see is what we actually live in real life, but is in our unconscious.
However, i believe parallel life is about Djavu not our dreams.
by the way, have you ever heard about ''mr. nobody'' movie?
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
However, i believe parallel life is about Djavu not our dreams.
by the way, have you ever heard about ''mr. nobody'' movie?
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
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a reply to: SuspiciousTom
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day about 'Deja-vu' being an example of our dreams... dreams we've had at some point becoming reality somehow... weird how it works but this is what I believe anyway.
But I do wonder when I'll be seeing those 5 women I dreamt about... all at once.
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day about 'Deja-vu' being an example of our dreams... dreams we've had at some point becoming reality somehow... weird how it works but this is what I believe anyway.
But I do wonder when I'll be seeing those 5 women I dreamt about... all at once.
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
"When we dream, we tend to witness ourselves from a 3rd person point of view."[b]
I can't remember ever dreaming in the 3rd person view. I've always dreamt in 1st person. And most of my dreams are of a similar theme, and repeat often. If I were seeing a parallel universe, wouldn't it change as time in the other universe moves on? It might be a possibility that I'm seeing some future me in my dreams. A lot of the dreams take place in a particular house. My husband has asked me to draw it, but the details slip away before the feeling[i] of it fades.
Anyone else dream in the 1st person? I thought this was normal.
"When we dream, we tend to witness ourselves from a 3rd person point of view."[b]
I can't remember ever dreaming in the 3rd person view. I've always dreamt in 1st person. And most of my dreams are of a similar theme, and repeat often. If I were seeing a parallel universe, wouldn't it change as time in the other universe moves on? It might be a possibility that I'm seeing some future me in my dreams. A lot of the dreams take place in a particular house. My husband has asked me to draw it, but the details slip away before the feeling[i] of it fades.
Anyone else dream in the 1st person? I thought this was normal.
Bits and pieces. Memory fragments put together randomly and what's missing is filled in with thought processes similar to intense imagination,
controlled subconsciously it can all seem real at times but definitely not a parallel universe.
But that's just my opinion, maybe there are parallel universes out there and sometimes we briefly tap into our other selves consciousness randomly, and experience bits and pieces of alternative realities.
Who knows? How could anyone ever know?
Cool thread
But that's just my opinion, maybe there are parallel universes out there and sometimes we briefly tap into our other selves consciousness randomly, and experience bits and pieces of alternative realities.
Who knows? How could anyone ever know?
Cool thread
If so, shout out to parallel me..... Our neighbor is good looking girl, I know it!
Anyways, it's nice to imagine that dreams could be a look into a parallel world.
-Alee
Anyways, it's nice to imagine that dreams could be a look into a parallel world.
-Alee
I know mainstream science always sticks with the traditional answer – “ it’s all in your mind, you’re just using your imagination to deal with
life”. I can somewhat agree with that, but it leaves a lot of gaps, such as how can you subconsciously create an entire 3-dimensional world that
seems to behave on its own? For example, if you were to write a story, then you would have to consciously create characters, places, environments,
and events. But when you’re asleep, all of these settings are already created to every last detail, almost like a movie created by someone else,
except you have the ability to walk right into it. Then there’s the surprise element, as you said sometimes we don't seem to be in control and you
don’t know what’s about to happen. If you’ve created this whole story, then how do you not know what is going to happen?
So yes, it could very well be witnessing a parallel world or some kind of quantum entanglement. Or maybe it means that the events in our “real” life when we’re awake, are only as real as events in our dream life. Meaning it is all relative to the observer.
So yes, it could very well be witnessing a parallel world or some kind of quantum entanglement. Or maybe it means that the events in our “real” life when we’re awake, are only as real as events in our dream life. Meaning it is all relative to the observer.
a reply to: Lolliek
I always ALWAYS dream in 1st person, too -- from inside my own eyes, just like in waking life. I can look down at my hands, or feet, or clothes, but I can't see my own face unless I look in a dream-mirror.
My dreams often have the same locations, characters, and ongoing situations (like a serial drama).
I can't remember ever dreaming in the 3rd person view. I've always dreamt in 1st person. And most of my dreams are of a similar theme,
I always ALWAYS dream in 1st person, too -- from inside my own eyes, just like in waking life. I can look down at my hands, or feet, or clothes, but I can't see my own face unless I look in a dream-mirror.
My dreams often have the same locations, characters, and ongoing situations (like a serial drama).
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
I've had a lot of deja vu, and more in 3 months in 2011 than the whole rest of my life combined. Every time it was like the frame I saw matched up with a prior dream. I always dreamed of the event before it happened.
One of my theoretical physicist friends postulates that time is an illusion and all events in the past, present, future exist simultaneously, and we only perceive it moment to moment. Our brains are wired to view things rationally and chronologically.
"Astral projection" is a misnomer because rather than "conscious you leaves your body to explore your very own universe", its more like the semi-conscious you delves into the unconscious realm, a realm within the mind. That's what the evidence points to in my experience, anyhow. Everything becomes very archetypal and it wholly suggests a mental rather than separate plane.
I've had a lot of deja vu, and more in 3 months in 2011 than the whole rest of my life combined. Every time it was like the frame I saw matched up with a prior dream. I always dreamed of the event before it happened.
One of my theoretical physicist friends postulates that time is an illusion and all events in the past, present, future exist simultaneously, and we only perceive it moment to moment. Our brains are wired to view things rationally and chronologically.
"Astral projection" is a misnomer because rather than "conscious you leaves your body to explore your very own universe", its more like the semi-conscious you delves into the unconscious realm, a realm within the mind. That's what the evidence points to in my experience, anyhow. Everything becomes very archetypal and it wholly suggests a mental rather than separate plane.
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
Interesting theory, as to "lucid dreaming and astral projection" there is a very stark difference at least to me. While lucid dreaming I simply have control of my dream and I'm conscious during it.
When I astral project it's a super consciousness. I explain it in the following way: you know that feeling you get when you wake up? You become conscious and go "jeez I can't believe I thought that was real, it was clearly a dream" when you astral project your consciousness feels the same way about the real world, the very first time I ever astral projected I remember being so conscious that the idea of our current "awake" consciousness seemed like a dream.
Also, dreaming in 3rd person is probably a result of some subconcious reason, many people dream in 1st person, I go back and forth from the two depending on the dream.
Interesting theory, as to "lucid dreaming and astral projection" there is a very stark difference at least to me. While lucid dreaming I simply have control of my dream and I'm conscious during it.
When I astral project it's a super consciousness. I explain it in the following way: you know that feeling you get when you wake up? You become conscious and go "jeez I can't believe I thought that was real, it was clearly a dream" when you astral project your consciousness feels the same way about the real world, the very first time I ever astral projected I remember being so conscious that the idea of our current "awake" consciousness seemed like a dream.
Also, dreaming in 3rd person is probably a result of some subconcious reason, many people dream in 1st person, I go back and forth from the two depending on the dream.
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I believe most of the time when we are dreaming we enter an entirely different beings's body in another realm, yes. We act as spirit/thought inside
them and help influence their actions and decisions. This is why a lot of the time you wake up from a dream and say to yourself "man, I never would
have done that in real life". It's because you're not fully driving the "vehicle", someone else is.
I have the sneaking suspicion that when you wake up, you actually have beings come in and out of you while awake, acting as the same kind of thing you acted as while asleep and dreaming (mostly through the things you consume but also through the constant hypnosis that is happening around us all, putting our brains in the proper wave states to allow entry). And without these beings going in and out, you would not be able to operate fully on your own.
I also believe that if you get too weak in "waking" life, these astral entities can take over your body as what seems like a form of possession. It's because THEY are stronger than you and are becoming lucid in their own beds while asleep. This is where things get dangerous, obviously. Especially if you're conscious while it's happening. This is mostly what channeling is, IMO.
I have the sneaking suspicion that when you wake up, you actually have beings come in and out of you while awake, acting as the same kind of thing you acted as while asleep and dreaming (mostly through the things you consume but also through the constant hypnosis that is happening around us all, putting our brains in the proper wave states to allow entry). And without these beings going in and out, you would not be able to operate fully on your own.
I also believe that if you get too weak in "waking" life, these astral entities can take over your body as what seems like a form of possession. It's because THEY are stronger than you and are becoming lucid in their own beds while asleep. This is where things get dangerous, obviously. Especially if you're conscious while it's happening. This is mostly what channeling is, IMO.
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a reply to: SuspiciousTom
I'm a believer in the 'Quantum Immortality' theory and with it, a Multiverse. They say whatever you can imagine will exist somewhere if there are indeed infinite universes, so maybe you are right and our dreams are our consciousness experiencing multiple realities simultaneously, unable to make sense of the overlapping realities until you snap back to your own reality when you awaken.
I'm a believer in the 'Quantum Immortality' theory and with it, a Multiverse. They say whatever you can imagine will exist somewhere if there are indeed infinite universes, so maybe you are right and our dreams are our consciousness experiencing multiple realities simultaneously, unable to make sense of the overlapping realities until you snap back to your own reality when you awaken.
What might it mean when you dream about the same person many times, over a long period of time? Someone you are acquainted with in life but do not see
very often?
a reply to: SuspiciousTom
It's really funny I saw this thread I just had this experience yesterday and there was no way it was a remake of a past memory. Let me explain four months ago I was working security I had a dream I was back in cell phones helping a customer with something small. The funny part is now I'm working in the same company in the same location this took place creepy enough. So after I'm done helping her this couple come in and can't speak English so she acts as our translator. Now the dream isn't anything exciting but its just strange that the memory popped right into my head and the whole scenario played out right in front of me.. It was kinda weird at first but then I realize as my spirt has awoken more ever since august this is just one instance off the top of my head that I dreamt about before it happened.. It's happen to me more times then I can remember..
. As far as dreaming in parallel universes I'm sure as we learn more about the universes we are already exploiting (I.e fantastic 4) the more common knowledge will change on our whole reality and concepts of everything. I agree with you that our spirits can travel and we just don't understand it because your body needs sleep not your soul. I believe since I've started meditating more I've become more intune with my soul. I've noticed your mind is the key to your soul which is why the war on keeping your mind occupied is the ultimate focus... Sleep on this my ats friends also try meditation music while you sleep i find it that my rest is more peaceful
It's really funny I saw this thread I just had this experience yesterday and there was no way it was a remake of a past memory. Let me explain four months ago I was working security I had a dream I was back in cell phones helping a customer with something small. The funny part is now I'm working in the same company in the same location this took place creepy enough. So after I'm done helping her this couple come in and can't speak English so she acts as our translator. Now the dream isn't anything exciting but its just strange that the memory popped right into my head and the whole scenario played out right in front of me.. It was kinda weird at first but then I realize as my spirt has awoken more ever since august this is just one instance off the top of my head that I dreamt about before it happened.. It's happen to me more times then I can remember..
. As far as dreaming in parallel universes I'm sure as we learn more about the universes we are already exploiting (I.e fantastic 4) the more common knowledge will change on our whole reality and concepts of everything. I agree with you that our spirits can travel and we just don't understand it because your body needs sleep not your soul. I believe since I've started meditating more I've become more intune with my soul. I've noticed your mind is the key to your soul which is why the war on keeping your mind occupied is the ultimate focus... Sleep on this my ats friends also try meditation music while you sleep i find it that my rest is more peaceful
Just a quick note - apologies for the funky type in my post. I didn't catch it before my editing time ran out. Weird, because I know I had the
backslash in the formatting. Oh well. I promise I wasn't shouting! If a mod can fix it, I'd appreciate it!
We clearly share this planet spiritually/mentally and physically. Parallel universes is a dead road. Whatever you feel, think, imagine in a dream can
originate from your own subconscious if not billions of brains right here. Mirror neurons play a role. Something else can be explained by Schumann EM
field or whatever carrier wave connects us in a collective unconscious/astral.
Maybe stop watching movies and speed reading tons of random stuff here and there and your hippocampus alone will sort it out for you.
I think that trying to be lucid (at least at this point) is contra productive. It's like some other part of the brain interfering with memory formation trying to abuse it for fun like a video game. What most of us need is just to spend a week or a month in the nature with some light restriction - dark therapy and the dreams will make sense again
We can't sleep on a full stomach so we can't dream meaningfully with overloaded brain. Not to mention all kinds of drugs and playing with brainwaves.
Maybe stop watching movies and speed reading tons of random stuff here and there and your hippocampus alone will sort it out for you.
I think that trying to be lucid (at least at this point) is contra productive. It's like some other part of the brain interfering with memory formation trying to abuse it for fun like a video game. What most of us need is just to spend a week or a month in the nature with some light restriction - dark therapy and the dreams will make sense again
We can't sleep on a full stomach so we can't dream meaningfully with overloaded brain. Not to mention all kinds of drugs and playing with brainwaves.
However, sleep is actually just deep meditation. Meditation tends to help the mind from an overload of data by allowing the mind to relax.
No they are very different processes. In deep meditation your awareness of self remains. With all sensations (feeling, sensation of breath etc) lost as one goes deeper in meditation, ending up in nothing to observe in what seems like a limbo of nothingness. Whereas in sleep, one part of awareness (concious) is shutting down for the other (subconcious). Deep meditation feels far more energizing than the deepest sleep.
A topic you didn't address. If one awakens from a subconcious dream. Doesn't that tell us that it might also be possible for us to awaken from a concious dream. The Buddha was once asked how he wanted to be remembered. He answered, one who had awakened.
Dreams are messages meant to be interpreted as a metaphor.
Try it out, you'd be surprised what you get out of it.
Try it out, you'd be surprised what you get out of it.
IMO, we're dreaming right now. When we die, we're really waking up.
originally posted by: carewemust
IMO, we're dreaming right now. When we die, we're really waking up.
If we are dreaming now then what happens when we go to sleep?
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