Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

I've made some threads lately that have received very little support - Now, I am not upset that they did not receive support, I'm not here for flags and stars... but looking into those threads and others, there seems to be a "common thread" - We have become nearly anti-conspiracy. The Government is now seen as a good guy that just needs to be reformed a little to represent our interests ( that's called an agenda, by the way. ) - The media has all the freedom in the world to spread hate, lies - manipulate the masses - And if we, as citizens, cannot definitively disprove their stories ( who would have the resources?? ) Then they are in our good graces to continue to divide the American people, lie, manipulate, control, release cherry-picked data, etc.. - At this time the penalty of such division and manipulation is violence and vandalism, and to literally people dying - Being killed in the name of political stances - Not to mention wars continued for years upon years because of the MSM/Government marriage that continues to force feed us these stories that make us think we need to destabilize more and more areas - And kill thousands of people while we're at it.

Since when is this not the establishment we need to burn - And let something greater rise out of the ashes?

Banks, MSM, government, government-married multi-national corporations ... These used to be the hot topics.

Now it's Donald Trump, Russia, Hillary Clinton, republicans/conservatives, liberals/democrats - Now we target either individuals, or smaller groups, not realizing the problem is still the same. Donald Trump is government. Hillary Clinton is government. The reason you dislike the left or right is because of the media.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

I think this quote applies more than ever. We're starting to go downhill here - We are discussing single people and events - Not even realizing the people and events are linked entirely to the bigger ideas we used to discuss. You should not divorce the idea that "There are evil people in the government" with the people and events like Hillary and Podesta linked to pedophilia ... But it seems we have.

Just my opinion, though.

What do you think?

a reply to: deadlyhope


No one has the right to rule over you!

Burn it down!

Destroy all Nations!

Good and valid points raised. Yes, the American people are utterly indoctrinated. Many are more concerned about what happened to Tom Brady's jersey than they are about the assault on constitutional principles and the rule of law.

The cynic would say we have the government we deserve, and he would be correct.

a reply to: Lysergic

Not sure what you're going for here.

I can agree that no one has the right to rule over me.
I agree we should "burn it down" - Not with flames, just with revolution.
I don't want any nation destroyed - I want concepts and oligarchies and connected banks and government ties destroyed.

a reply to: deadlyhope

How else will the Beast be expunged?

ho ho ho, i got a double post

a reply to: Salander

I don't know if I can agree, I mean to an extent, sure - But what came first, the chicken or the egg?

What I mean is - Are we this way because people in higher places than us can manipulate us, instill fear and hatred in us, and divide us - And thus the perception that the government is like us becomes true.

Or, is this simply how we as people are and always have been - And the government is just an accurate representation of a citizen that has not been manipulated into radical stances and partisanship.

How about The postman society? The only government is the post office.

a reply to: MOMof3

I'm not inherently against all forms of government - I'm against our federal government as it is.

They CAN provide a lot of good things - Organization and reasonable regulations are not a bad thing in my opinion.

Our government do far different things than organize and reasonably regulate, though.

( reasonable regulation to me means like - you can't dump pollution into rivers )

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

This, I am on board with!

This is coming from a guy who just made a thread about a person/Stevie Wonder.

Lol.

The funny thing discussing ideas here on ATS or any community, is that you had better thought it through thoroughly because most people will shoot you down. Rather than support each other and contribute in a meaningful way, people usually try to tear you and your idea down. That is the crux of the issue - the overall negativity is palpable.

United we stand, Divided we fall!

I appreciate the concept of this thread.

I think you are right on ....but that's just my opinion also. It seems that very few people are interested in trying to fix problems they seem to be content to only discuss and complain about them.

I completely agree. It has been a path this site has been going down for quite some time. People blame the site administrators, but that's not where it's at, not at all. This site has been flooded with apologists for the elite and people who don't see how anything can be done any differently than what the establishment has already tried. It's unfortunate, but that's really what it has boiled down to.

a reply to: deadlyhope

What do you think?

Where is the meat ? ...You mention Govt.,banks,war,business ,and a half dozen people ...pick one and go for it . Other then that I got nothing ...

a reply to: deadlyhope

Yes and there you have the entire Trump/Hillary Dog and pony show!
I bet neither would have been able to stope the poverty of the rust belt...

a reply to: deadlyhope

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

and brilliant minds discuss them all.

a reply to: deadlyhope

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

Typical liberal double-speak intended to deflect discussions away from tangible cause and effect and onto dreamy "fun" abstract concepts to discuss over 'tea' while the rest of the world is busting their backsides, cold and starving.

I presume you know where this quote came from, correct? None other than the wife of one of the greatest socialist Presidents in the history of the United States, Eleanor Roosevelt.

The "New Deal"? HA! They should have instead called it the "Raw Deal" where Democrats cemented their place in history as the king of the bureaucrats. Left on its own the 'New Deal' likely would have caused another economic crash similar to that of 1929 had it not been for WWII. The economy was already headed that way by 38-39, just 10 years later.

Milton Friedman had it right when he advocated the 'no free lunch' doctrine referring to Keynesian economics.

Sure, talk about 'ideas' all you want, but it's the policies (events) and the people behind them where the rubber meets the road! People will be talking about theory and ideas forever while they sit and do nothing amidst the smoking wreckage of a once great World super power of an economy. Others will follow events and take action with, and against, people while they bury a pick axe in the ground building the road to recovery. Some people want to sit around and "talk" about things, while others actually "do" them.

Sorry, but that's my .02

P.S. Personally, I absolutely cannot stand that phrase!! It just REEKS of elitism and bureaucracy (and it's a bit of a hot-button in case you didn't notice).

originally posted by: HarryJoy
they seem to be content to only discuss and complain about them.

Nah, complaining is fine. It's doubtful anything would even ever get addressed if it weren't for the "complainers." The actual problem lies in the entrenchment of political ideologies that have no interest in compromise or meeting in the middle of anything. I realize that there isn't any middle ground in regards to certain things, but those are a rarity.

a reply to: deadlyhope

We have become nearly anti-conspiracy. The Government is now seen as a good guy

I have not swayed from my conspiracy theories and surely don't see government as the good guy. I will stake claim to avoiding a lot of my conspiracy theories as of late... and it's due to the influx of MSM coddling their way into the now credible conspiracy dwellings. These new members just want to debunk and push their cause, and I care not to help run a conspiracy adult day care center.

Then they are in our good graces to continue to divide the American people, lie, manipulate, control, release cherry-picked data, etc..

Exactly why the good debates are gone and exactly relating to what I said previously... getting sucked into the BS of it all is a sign of weakness and divide in my opinion. For, I am calmly plotting my moves through chaos when it occurs... no if it occurs.

What do you think?

Other then the occasional 'struck a nerve' response, I will not participate in what people feel to be answers to heal specific wounds in government. I'd advise people to act as the current government scenes are acting... essentially flipping the poker table over, standing back and watching how those that had chips on the table react, then properly formulate the moves forward based on how and who reacts to the poker chip scramble on the floor. Ally those that watch the scramble from outside, and plot on those scrambling for chips.

It's why I am watching. It's a theoretical gathering of the masses that can't live without the attachment to their poker chips. When the revolution occurs, there will be plenty of gathered chips that won't make it too far in life and make for some easy pickings when those groups gather and fail in bulk.

I fully agree with the premise of your thread. And, I only say that because I hate specifics and anyone naturally wants to gratify their own personal way of thinking. Honestly though, in these times I want to be viewed as incompetent by the masses... I feel it may be wiser to choose sides after the new game of poker starts.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I would say brilliant minds connect them all - So yes, discussing them all is important to a degree - But how much Trump/Clinton trashing do we see that doesn't result in anything other than confirming our own thoughts that we dislike that person or will defend that person.

a reply to: deadlyhope

I am in complete agreement. In another thread a poster and I agree that making regulations and tax structure that benefit small businesses and not corp is the answer to our jobs problem. I believe we are on opposite ends of politics, but we agree on that. I don't know how to get that through the lawmakers head. Like, I have a great house I would like to start a business out of. But my property taxes would double. That does not happen to corporations.