Jeff Sessions’ Coming War on Legal Marijuana (Is Here)

originally posted by: incepticus
Federal law "trumps" both, heh.

And? That still doesn't mean you can correlate demographics or governments in a city to those in the states. Also do you care about the tenth Amendment?

We are a comfy corporatocracy.

Can't argue with that.

With so many people, they sound like great places to send large teams of federal agents if you want to imprison or deport individuals breaking federal laws.

Do municipal and state police have to cooperate with federal police?

Ultimately, federal laws trump state laws, so each of these agencies has something to hold over the heads of local authorities, but in the end, each of these agencies ultimately relies on individually negotiated agreements with local authorities to be able to operate.

For this reason, local sheriffs can, if they so decide, choose not to participate in a given action. Indeed, in many anti-immigrant states, the problem is often the reverse - local authorities are demanding the right to enforce federal laws, and at least if the case of Alabama and Arizona is considered, they aren't allowed to. The Arizona v. United States decision aka "Show Me Your Papers" was the result of state authorities attempting to enforce a federal law. Most of it was struck down, because it was too much of an entaglement between the different types of government.

The converse also holds. If DEA wants to raid a Colorado "dispensary," they have to supply the agents to do it. Colorado cannot legally bar the DEA agents from doing their job, but they are under no obligation to enforce it either.

If they decide to send federal agents into those cities, they'll be working by themselves.

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't want to derail the thread but it's funny what the Administration thinks should be States rights to determine and what shouldn't be. These turds need to be flushed.

This was my first thought when I started reading this thread - I thought Trump was a big States Rights guy! Why is it that, in his opinion, states should determine their own laws in regards to abortion and gay rights, but yet the Feds are going to stick their noses in on their own laws in regards to legal weed... and don't forget, the people of these states actually voted in favor of it. It wasn't chosen by legislators or judges, but the people themselves!

It will be a HUGE hypocrisy, and one that I'm sure the anti-Trump crowd will not let go easily. The legal weed industry is also a big jobs creator. Another thing that Trump was pretty big about.

From what Trump has done so far, doesn't seem like he will stand for more problems, going against the grain of Americans.

There is just too much noise around the issue than ever before to allow it to be defeated, it's going national and Sessions is going to sit there like tweedle dum.

The prison movement is even being spotlit, people are tired of how easy it is to have your life taken away for doing something so non-violent and they are tired of the money we pay as tax payers for these boneheaded laws to be enforced.

Seems to me that the writing is on the wall, it's going to be legalized nationally, Trump is the president to do such, because of the jobs and business issue, he'd be very ill-informed if he allows Sessions to attack the MJ industry.

I mean, think of it this way,

Most of the CO tax money from weed goes to SCHOOLS

just reframe it, " Sessions wants to take tax money from schools " and you can see that he'd be on the way out and hated even more than he already is.

Note that Sessions already has a bad wrap, he'd be treading into dangerous waters to push on such an industry that is in otherwords, Blooming.

originally posted by: underwerks
If Trump goes through with this, over 100,000 people stand to lose their jobs and be made into criminals overnight.

This is called progress in Trumps America.

It will also be VERY VERY messy...

With Federal laws still in place, state level marijuana growers have been forced to deal in cash.

That has spurred a heavy security industry around private Marijuana growers largely staffed by former Military and Spec Ops.

If DEA decides to raid these places, they would do best to call ahead and announce themselves.

It's not like raiding Joe Hippies farm in Humbuldt County anymore..

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't want to derail the thread but it's funny what the Administration thinks should be States rights to determine and what shouldn't be. These turds need to be flushed.

This was my first thought when I started reading this thread - I thought Trump was a big States Rights guy! Why is it that, in his opinion, states should determine their own laws in regards to abortion and gay rights, but yet the Feds are going to stick their noses in on their own laws in regards to legal weed... and don't forget, the people of these states actually voted in favor of it. It wasn't chosen by legislators or judges, but the people themselves!

It will be a HUGE hypocrisy, and one that I'm sure the anti-Trump crowd will not let go easily. The legal weed industry is also a big jobs creator. Another thing that Trump was pretty big about.

I was under the impression Trump was favorable towards legal weed. I was thinking that if it was ever going to be legal on a nationwide scale, he would be the president to make it happen. To hear Sessions come out like this is doing a 180!

a reply to: Rezlooper

Yeah, the marijuana industry was cautiously optimistic about Trump up until yesterday as Trump had signaled that he wanted to leave it up to States' rights on the campaign trail.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're talking about weed. It's not a war, it's not an assault. This is the type of # Piers Morgan said the liberals need to stop with. Turning everything Trump says into armageddon. Stop being so melodramatic.

a reply to: Rezlooper
I agree. I am so disappointed in this stance.

When Sessions was going through his confirmation he made the comment that if the state laws aren't matching the federal laws maybe the federal laws needed to be changed.

Now they do a 180!?! Trump has even spoken in favor of medical allowance. I sure hope that this is not going to turn into a new witch hunt!

a reply to: Martin75

Trump won't go against his voters. It's his opposers he don't give a # about, and for good reason. This will remain a states right stance since that seems to be the way the majority of his people want it. Anti-Trump people are calling this a war and an assault, tsst, but they need to relax. Everything is gonna be ok.

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're talking about weed. It's not a war, it's not an assault. This is the type of # Piers Morgan said the liberals need to stop with. Turning everything Trump says into armageddon. Stop being so melodramatic.

But this isn't what Trump said, this is Jeff Sessions we're talking about.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
How can you come out as a champion on States' rights for Trans rights but demand federal enforcement for marijuana?

Because it's a federal law!
How is this so hard to grasp?
Trump said it would be a law and order administration.
If we feel the law is unjust it's up to us to fight it and change it.
You conveniently seem to have left the quote out where Sessions said.

“If that’s something that’s not desired any longer Congress should pass a law to change the rule. It is not the Attorney General’s job to decide what laws to enforce.”

So who should we fight?
The people that make the laws?
Or the guy who has the job of upholding the laws?

a reply to: Rezlooper

I'm seeing "Trump" all throughout this thread so I know who the people are focused on. Sessions don't get the final decision though and Trump doesn't wanna lose support, he'll stick by the majority.

a reply to: JAY1980

So who should we fight?
The people that make the laws?
Or the guy who has the job of upholding the laws?

You're right. As I usually do I get riled, then sit back down and use my head.
We need to have a group go before Congress just like they are doing at the state levels. Normal needs to change their plans to focus on changing federal laws instead of state laws.

a reply to: LSU0408
I do hope you are right. Trump does love being loved so maybe that will be enough. So far I have not seen him 180 on anything else. So fingers crossed that it just is going differently than how everyone had planned. Totally normal for Trump!

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're talking about weed. It's not a war, it's not an assault. This is the type of # Piers Morgan said the liberals need to stop with. Turning everything Trump says into armageddon. Stop being so melodramatic.

Regardless of the verbiage used, the government under Trump is about to make this into an issue and an unpopular one at that. I know you don't care, but I have every right to get as upset as I want, and this issue is important to me so I will. If you don't like that, well too bad. Go find a safe space.

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't want to derail the thread but it's funny what the Administration thinks should be States rights to determine and what shouldn't be. These turds need to be flushed.

This was my first thought when I started reading this thread - I thought Trump was a big States Rights guy! Why is it that, in his opinion, states should determine their own laws in regards to abortion and gay rights, but yet the Feds are going to stick their noses in on their own laws in regards to legal weed... and don't forget, the people of these states actually voted in favor of it. It wasn't chosen by legislators or judges, but the people themselves!

It will be a HUGE hypocrisy, and one that I'm sure the anti-Trump crowd will not let go easily. The legal weed industry is also a big jobs creator. Another thing that Trump was pretty big about.

I was under the impression Trump was favorable towards legal weed. I was thinking that if it was ever going to be legal on a nationwide scale, he would be the president to make it happen. To hear Sessions come out like this is doing a 180!

Straight up? I don't think trump cares about Marijuana Legalization. But a "crack-down" means expanding the Domestic Police State and Private Prison Industry. It has more to do with his authoritarian fantasies than any moral or logical judgments. Sessions is just a convenient anti-weed ideologue for those purposes.

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
How can you come out as a champion on States' rights for Trans rights but demand federal enforcement for marijuana?

Because it's a federal law!
How is this so hard to grasp?
Trump said it would be a law and order administration.
If we feel the law is unjust it's up to us to fight it and change it.
You conveniently seem to have left the quote out where Sessions said.

“If that’s something that’s not desired any longer Congress should pass a law to change the rule. It is not the Attorney General’s job to decide what laws to enforce.”

So who should we fight?
The people that make the laws?
Or the guy who has the job of upholding the laws?

I'm going to fight everyone who stands in my way of marijuana being made legal. Sessions, Congress, Trump, you. I don't care. Marijuana being illegal is WRONG and Sessions is trying to retake us down a hole we just fought tooth and nail to climb out of.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
And this is the joys of politics. Even two people who don't see eye to eye very often can find common ground.

I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you in this fight!

a reply to: LSU0408

Ya because being sent to prison is so unmelodramatic.
It might not matter to you but don't expect everyone to bend over..Trump does not care about what I'm sure he perceives as druggies.

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Rezlooper

I'm seeing "Trump" all throughout this thread so I know who the people are focused on. Sessions don't get the final decision though and Trump doesn't wanna lose support, he'll stick by the majority.

Sean Spicer, Speaking on behalf of the President and the AGs office said we should expect DOJ to enforce federal law on recreational Marijuana Use legalized by the states..What are you confused about?

SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY!

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