Trump administration 'had a secret plan to lift Russian sanctions' and cede Ukraine territory to...

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

I'd be ok with it if it was true anyways. Sorry, I don't want nuclear war. When did democrats becomes such war mongers?

originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

I'd be ok with it if it was true anyways. Sorry, I don't want nuclear war. When did democrats becomes such war mongers?

Maybe it has something to do with me not being a democrat? I didn't have a problem with the war in Iraq because I think the aims of the Bush administration were to bring about democracy in the middle east. The false pretenses were annoying, but the intentions were good. Russia is in a state of a decline. You have more reason to fear China than you do Russia. War is a reality that will never go away. Bannon understands that and as much as I know I'll be hated for it, I respect that about him. How and who we pick our fights with is important though. Siding with Russia is a mistake for more reason than I can count.

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: xuenchen
Intriguing innuendo.

Suspicious photoshops.

Unverified quotations from possible associates.

Forged documents and fake website names.

You should apply this method to your own threads.

Perhaps you could go to one of those threads and point some of that out. Good luck.

Trump wouldn't have much to do with the Ukraine ...The US is not a part of what could be worked out

At a summit in Minsk on 11 February 2015, the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, France, and Germany agreed to a package of measures to alleviate the ongoing war in the Donbass region of Ukraine.[1][2][3][4] The talks that led to the deal, overseen by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), were organised in response to the collapse of the Minsk Protocol ceasefire in January–February 2015. The new package of measures is intended to revive the Protocol, which had been agreed to on 5 September 2014

Minsk was Putins checkmate move to stop the same gang that is going after Trump now .

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

"Years of Hypocrisy" rolls off the tongue a little better, but I agree 100%.

People are so blinded by partisanship that they ignore what's right in front of their faces even when it gets pointed out over and over.

This whole narrative with Trump, Hillary, DNC corruption, Hillary's emails, violent (paid) protests, "fake news" and Trump being opposed to the "fake news" ('liberal' media) has been manufactured for just such a result, the disaster we have now.

The rich are still getting richer though, the disaster is paying dividends for them as always. Trump is the perfect man to cause this kind of division and it is by design. They're rooting for the bad guys and don't even know it.

Secret plan to lift Russian Sanctions? It wasn't a secret, he stated he wanted to look at possibly reversing some sanctions and try to work with Russians on some issues many times. I guess if Trump doesn't repeat it in every speech it is now a secret. He planned on evaluating things when he got in the White house and is still planning on working on this to lessen the tensions between the US and Russia. He is not going to just blindly stop things though and his plans did include working with congress.

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

Wait, wait, wait... so people from the Trump presidential administration met with Ukrainian and Russian representatives/lawmakers, in New York City, and discussion of some manner of peace deal between the two countries was part of the agenda?


Jesus God, Jimmy Carter meets with terrorist Yassir Arafat and calls for Israel to cede land to Palestine after numerous PLO terror attacks on Israel and he's the damn belle of the globalist ball, Obama demands Assad step down and hand his entire nation over to Islamic rebels and he's deemed the most peace-loving POTUS in history by many, Trump brings two sides of a conflict to the table and discusses possible concessions between them and he's suddenly a Russian plant and the Devil incarnate.

Some people are damn funny, I tell ya.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Trump is the perfect man to cause this kind of division and it is by design. They're rooting for the bad guys and don't even know it.

Very early on I would have agreed with you . I had pointed out that Zbigniew Brzezinski had given a speech (CFR) I think ..any way he said that the greatest danger they faced in the 21st century was the electorate becoming politically aware .My premise was that The Donald was their Trump card .

I don't think that anymore because of the push back ,and where its coming from . The CFR control the media .They have plants on both sides of the political spectrum .If Trump was their guy ,we wouldn't be seeing what we are seeing ...And if he was a Putin stooge then we would have been flooded with real facts and pictures .

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Wait, wait, wait... so people from the Trump presidential administration met with Ukrainian and Russian representatives/lawmakers, in New York City, and discussion of some manner of peace deal between the two countries was part of the agenda?

The question is why would Trump disavow ownership of these meetings if he actively wants to promote these sorts of changes? This is deceit against the American people, surely you can understand that.

"Here we have another Trump "Senior Advisor" brokering deals with the Russians..."


Read you own source more carefully.

The alleged discussion was with a UKRAINIAN OFFICIAL.

There was no "brokering with Russians" mentioned.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
"Here we have another Trump "Senior Advisor" brokering deals with the Russians..."


Read you own source more carefully.

The alleged discussion was with a UKRAINIAN OFFICIAL.

There was no "brokering with Russians" mentioned.

Nice try, but I qualified the point in the next sentence:

The crazy thing here is that Cohen acknowledges being in the room negotiating with Ukranian politicians to cede the territory to Russia, but calls it "fake news" that he'd even considering handing it off to Lt. Gen. Flynn.

The lawyering isn't going to work here.

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

So your post was deliberate disinformation?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before but you seem to admit you knew no Russian official was involved but lied about it anyway.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

So your post was deliberate disinformation?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before but you seem to admit you knew no Russian official was involved but lied about it anyway.

Wrong again. I don't think you know what a broker is. This is what I said. "Here we have another Trump "Senior Advisor" brokering deals with the Russians". A person hires a broker to move assets to sell to other people. The broker is the middle man negotiating between the parties who have something to exchange. Trump can't speak for the Russians. He has to have brokers on their behalf or have someone else representing them. Theoretically that is why Felix Sater was there. Try reading the article rather than looking for cheap ways to score points.

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

Donald Trump commented

In sworn testimony in 2013 in litigation related to a failed project with which Sater had been involved, Trump said he would not recognise Sater if they were in the same room.

Either Trump's memory is falling apart rapidly or we have yet another example of another sleazy dodge by a man who is far more politician than businessman.

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I am telling you Early Onset Dementia. Google it, I think he has that and he's a pathological liar.

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

The crazy thing here is that Cohen acknowledges being in the room negotiating with Ukranian politicians to cede the territory to Russia, but calls it "fake news" that he'd even considering handing it off to Lt. Gen. Flynn.

Wrong Cohen.

There's no proof anywhere of anything.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

The crazy thing here is that Cohen acknowledges being in the room negotiating with Ukranian politicians to cede the territory to Russia, but calls it "fake news" that he'd even considering handing it off to Lt. Gen. Flynn.

Wrong Cohen.

There's no proof anywhere of anything.

Other than Cohen admitting to the Times and The Post that there is.

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

Discussing and actually doing,
are two different things altogether.
Exploring ideas,thoughts, and concepts
are not legal/ illegal without actual signed
contracts and implementation.

Talk is cheap my friend.
Money talks and bull# walks.
It happens every day.
I am not a proponent of the "Thought Police".
Interesting thread.
S&F

originally posted by: ThoughtIsMadness



I am telling you Early Onset Dementia. Google it, I think he has that and he's a pathological liar.

Wow, didn't take long for this to go into false unsubstantiated claims of medical ailments.

Your feelings are all you got, and they don't matter.

Very Fake Emotional News.

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

I'd be ok with it if it was true anyways. Sorry, I don't want nuclear war. When did democrats becomes such war mongers?

Maybe it has something to do with me not being a democrat? I didn't have a problem with the war in Iraq because I think the aims of the Bush administration were to bring about democracy in the middle east. The false pretenses were annoying, but the intentions were good. Russia is in a state of a decline. You have more reason to fear China than you do Russia. War is a reality that will never go away. Bannon understands that and as much as I know I'll be hated for it, I respect that about him. How and who we pick our fights with is important though. Siding with Russia is a mistake for more reason than I can count.

If you want to talk geopolitics in the long term Russia and the US will be working together on a china contain. Russia has to worry about china eyeing that siberian land
I have problems with nation building. Saddam wasn't anything special for a dictator. Iraq was a geopolitical move. The US in the geo-political world needs those oil producing countries allied to the US and kept divided.

Apologies if I missed it, but does anyone have a link to the original New York Times article this piece is sourcing? I'd like to compare what the NYT actually wrote to what this article claims they stated.

What reason is there to write an article on some other article unless it's to put your own spin on it?