The health risk of having a gun in the home

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Sit still for quite a long time, too.

Your bic lighter and glue stick comment was funny. I can so easily imagine someone doing that...

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Sit still for quite a long time, too.

Your bic lighter and glue stick comment was funny. I can so easily imagine someone doing that...

Totally off topic, but here's a tip I think is worth sharing ...

I've found a secret to a really strong bond using hot glue, a heat gun. Apply hot glue to one of the surfaces to be bonded using the glue gun. It comes out like a thick gel. Then, heat the gel with a heat gun. It will become more viscous and flow into the nooks of the object. When you see bubbles forming in the glue, turn off the heat gun and hold the objects together. It will take the glue a lot longer to dry, so be prepared to hold the objects in place for a few minutes. When it cools, the hot glue will be more like hard plastic than its usual soft, bendable feel.

I've done this many times when it comes to bonding high-stress plastic parts. It's a very strong and solid bond.

Heat gun, that's another gun I can't do without.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
the risk goes down if you have a trigger lock, or a gun safe.

I live 5 miles away from Sandy Hook and it is by any definition a paradise around here, high income, great schools, quiet streets.

Life is dangerous, you are never really totally safe

As a solid, dear friend and NOW digital video content author--
down the road in CT has also said, and as a direct descendant
of that "Paradise Lost" fellow:
"Danger is subjective, but safety only reinforced by effort."

To wit syrinx my friend, that noble soul said in brief: 'take care
of one's self and our own as best we can, and without fear.'
I say, guns have no effect whatsoever in the face of the unknown...
why would evil be deterred by tools instead of resolve?

Having an oven in your home greatly increases the risk of accidental burning and fire.

People with no oven or similar heating devices have much lower instances of burning themselves while preparing food.

a reply to: derfreebie

why would evil be deterred by tools instead of resolve?

The chance that those tools are backed by resolve to use them if necessary. That's what my own experiences tell me.

a reply to: pheonix358

In their wisdom, the founding fathers gave you guns.

They gave us slaves too, your argument is very weak .

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
the risk goes down if you have a trigger lock, or a gun safe.

I live 5 miles away from Sandy Hook and it is by any definition a paradise around here, high income, great schools, quiet streets.

Life is dangerous, you are never really totally safe

Yep life is so much safer with a loaded weapon close by...lol

Nice thread, misunderstood but nice. The fact is guns are the cornerstone of home protection the world over. If you chose not to have one fine. You live with your choices and I will do the same.
The fact is I often stay alone in an area most of you anti gun people would never venture into in the light of day, much less after dark. If I had a phone that worked there, and needed to call the sheriff, it would take him a good hour to find the place.
I will say no matter where I am when something goes bump in the night my Colt makes me feel better. It cold steel, it reeks of gun oil, but feels wonderful in my hand. I have carried, daily for over forty years and haven't shot myself yet.
You anti gunners do as you will, just leave me the hell alone. You know little of my my world.

From the first link in your post.
Accidental deaths
"To begin with, having a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious accidental injury and death. As Hemenway points out, death certificate data indicate that 680 Americans were killed accidentally with guns each year between 2003 and 2007. Half those victims were under the age of 25."

Goood Gacious! That's all of 1.863 people every day out of a total of only 324 million people. We have to do something about this. If this rate of destruction continues we will be extinct in another billion years.

Suicides
"An average of 46 Americans committed suicide with guns each day between 2003 and 2007. In fact, more Americans killed themselves with guns during those years than with all other methods combined."

Just winch method of committing suicide is the more humane, hanging yourself, silting your wrists or a quick bullet through the brain. If I had any intention of committing suicide I think I would prefer a bullet.

Homicides
"Two-thirds of all murders between 2003 and 2007 involved guns. The average number of Americans shot and killed daily during those years was 33."

Again, out of only 324million people. I guess what I'm trying to say here is to look at the situation with just a little perspective. Yes one loss is tragic but face it, doctors and the medical industry kills far more people every year than are lives taken with guns. Cars kill fare more. Helll, the US drug war kills thousands every year. Would you profess getting rid of the US government because of the many hundreds of thousands of dead because of the obviously failed war on drugs plus the millions killed in the name of spreading democracy around the globe?

I can't believe I even read this silly post, much less read every post across three pages discussing this same silly subject that has been posted probably thousands of times now. Makes me realize I need to get out more and find a real life.

Yet another silly anti 2nd blather.

I feel the biggest threat from guns in the home comes from mental and emotional instability... These problems are what lead to even bigger problems when guns are readily available...
The problems lead to suicides murders and or desperate criminal activity...
The murders and suicides are worse in my mind... And all too often are carried out by children... Locked up guns safety and all the experiences that nay have been a beautiful thing shared by families can turn into their worst nightmare...
So take extra precautions with your fire arms especially around your teenage son's who have problem's with their love lives for example...

originally posted by: vor78

I'm from the rural south. I've been around firearms my entire life. I received my first 22 rifle as a gift from my parents when I was 7 or 8 and was hunting with a shotgun only a couple years later. Most of my friends and family had similar experiences.

Same here, and with the indoctrination we got on safety and proper handling, I don't know anyone who had an accidental discharge or purposely used one to kill someone in a personal mis-interaction. Yes, plenty of fist fights but no one pulled a gun on each other, nor did they point them at each other in play.

In fact, it took me quite a while to learn to point a firearm at someone intentionally without flinching or checking up.

(embarrassing story)

I actually got drilled on pointing a firearm at people after it was obvious I was having major cognitive dissonances doing it. It wasn't that I had any emotional compunctions, I just couldn't do it without hesitation due to conditioning as a kid. A sergeant took me off to a private area, checked the weapon carefully, and made me point it at him and dry fire. Over and over and over. And I kept freezing, over and over and over. Many pushups were done that day.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I feel the biggest threat from guns in the home comes from mental and emotional instability... These problems are what lead to even bigger problems when guns are readily available...

That is exactly what the problem is, for some reason however whenever guns are mentioned, much like Muslims, people seem to have some sort of brain meltdown and go full retard, it is not a subject that can be approached rationally.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

it is not a subject that can be approached rationally.

Of course it can. If you do not like the current situation then change the Second Amendment. The how to is in the Constitution.

Otherwise please stop whining!

The real problem you have, is you know you are never going to change it! All that a Constitutional Convention would achieve is a strengthening of the Second. Sucks to live in a Democratic Republic when you don't like something and you are in the minority.

So, I offer a solution!

Move to Canada!

P

a reply to: pheonix358

Im happy here in Aussie land, you know the place where we have guns but they are locked away until needed

You must have me confused with someone else, i find it silly that people feel safer with more guns around, but thats because i live in a country where people do not feel the need to carry around guns at all times to feel safe....you live here too and know the feeling well.

The OP is technically correct, you can argue the point all you like .

AS far as being able to discuss the issue rationally, you and i must differ greatly in what the word rationally means.

originally posted by: peaceonearth332211
a reply to: CB328
...It is really hard to justify...

It's tremendously offensive that you think I have to justify it. I don't live my life by making choices from a list that you get to approve.

I feel like liberals live in a twilight zone-esque universe sometimes. I mean did you really just write that conservatives are dangerous? Who are all these people murdering each other in the inner cities?

originally posted by: CB328

SImply put, guns are dangerous,

You have more chance of being killed in a car wreck than of being killed in violent crime

So should we ban cars? By your logic they are more dangerous than guns. We should just ban everything that's dangerous. Government needs to keep us safe with laws and regulations.

This sums it up nicely.

Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 870 right in the doorway. I gave it four shells, left it alone and went about my business. 
While I was gone, the mail gal delivered my mail, the trash man picked up the trash, a girl walked her dog down the street and quite a few of my neighbors drove past. 
Well, after about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there right where I had left it. It hadn’t killed anyone even with the numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it hadn’t even loaded itself. 
Well, you can imagine my surprise with all the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong, and it is the misuse of guns by criminals, or I have one of the laziest shotguns ever made. I must hurry off now and check on my spoons. I heard they are making people fat.

Walter “Digger” New Shady Grove

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: CB328

SImply put, guns are dangerous,

You have more chance of being killed in a car wreck than of being killed in violent crime

So should we ban cars? By your logic they are more dangerous than guns. We should just ban everything that's dangerous. Government needs to keep us safe with laws and regulations.

More people die every year to medical malpractice so should We ban doctors?