Fifty Shades of Lucifer

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Lucifer: Good, Evil, Both or Neither?

If what I know is correct, every religion listed in the picture below worships Lucifer in some capacity. I’m left wondering, if Lucifer is Venus and Satan is Saturn, are we to assume that they are different altogether or only different energy levels of the same entity?



If Lucifer is not inherently evil and Satan is not Lucifer, is Satan only manifested within men that have chosen to use the same knowledge made available by Lucifer as power to re-enslave man to the ignorance he was once freed from?


Using the same knowledge, humans can liberate themselves and become god-like or fall victim to the magnetism of sin and dominion over mortal men. We have the ability to choose either path.

In the Tantra, the Right-Hand/Left-Hand path is explained:

"There is a significant difference between the two Tantric paths, that of the right hand and that of the left hand (which both are under Shiva's aegis). In the former, the adept always experiences 'someone above him', even at the highest level of realization. In the latter, 'he becomes the ultimate Sovereign' (chakravartin = worldruler)."

Whatever the case, this newspaper article tries to explain the difference. You absolutely must read the entire thing. It “sheds light,” on a few things regarding Freemasonry as well.




Chevalier Kadosh
(translated from French)

Knight Kadosh Kadosh or Knight is Freemasonry the name of a degree of high Masonic degrees of the former and Accepted Scottish Rite . 30th grade in the scale of grades of this rite, the term "Kadosh" is derived from the Hebrew word "קדוש" which means holy or consecrated. The title of Knight Kadosh is often abbreviated in masonic documents or decorations in the form of C∴ K∴ S∴ or C∴ K∴ H∴.

Put your seat belt on for this next one…




The Tantra goes into more detail...

Tantra is a set of esoteric Indian traditions with roots in Hinduism and Buddhism. Tantra is often divided by its practitioners into two different paths: dakshinachara and vamachara, translated as Right-Hand Path and Left-Hand Path respectively.

Dakshinachara consists of traditional Hindu practices such as asceticism and meditation, while vamachara also includes ritual practices that conflict with mainstream Hinduism, such as sexual rituals, consumption of alcohol and other intoxicants, animal sacrifice, and flesh-eating.

The two paths are viewed by Tantrists as equally valid approaches to enlightenment. Vamachara, however, is often considered to be the faster and more dangerous of the two paths, and is not suitable for all practitioners. The usage of the terms Left-Hand Path and Right-Hand Path is still current in modern Indian and Buddhist Tantra.

I’m going to keep an open mind as it gets tough trying to keep track of all the similarities between various gods throughout history. There is real magic to be learned and knowledge to be gained by those willing. Every motive that leads you to begin your journey will be tested continuously with every new revelation.

Eternal Salvation or triple your money back.

originally posted by: eisegesis
There is real magic to be learned and knowledge to be gained by those willing. Every motive that leads you to begin your journey will be tested continuously with every new revelation.

Are you trying to start a cult on ATS?

If not, what proof can you provide of "real magic"?

Regardless if Lucifer, the bright morning star or Satan, Devil or Jesus it has been perverted as has most religions.

As you may well know, many Satanic occultic religions use him to justify their perversions.

Disclaimer: I am not christian or any other religion.

Lucifer: Good, Evil, Both or Neither?

I'm going with neither., Somewhere I read that the original meaning was 'adversary'.

Anyone that goes against common sense and reason, is adversarial, contrary, difficult, disagreeable, i.e., the devil.

Prometheus was rebelling against the gods before it was cool.

This is getting confusing. Are we now supposed to believe that Lucifer is a good guy? But the other thread said we are already in a battle with Satan. Could the real Satan/Lucifer please stand up? Wait a minute Satan equals Santa. Holy nutballs i knew i it. Never trust someone with a sack full of toys who creeps into childrens bedrooms. Damn if more threads of this kind pop up. I'm sure next ime i'm supposed to fight the easter bunny too. I will be busy for all eternity but i guess it has to be done. I've got only one request. I want a freaking sword forged in the dephts of hell or heaven i'm not picky. Hell yeah i mean heaven yeah or was it namek yeah... Did i already mention that this is getting confusing?

a reply to: intrptr
You're thinking of Satan, original Hebrew being ha satan, "the accuser" or "the adversary".

Lucifer is a different thing entirely. The usage of the word Lucifer in the bible is most commonly attributed to the planet Venus. The "morning star" or "daystar".

No more real, mind you, but a different being.

Now, come on eisegesis, you claim "real magic" exists. What do you got?

a reply to: Noncents

Forgot to include the accuser. The worst of human behavior, to falsely accuse someone of a crime.

a reply to: intrptr
Nein, re-read my post, man. First sentence.

originally posted by: skunkape23
Eternal Salvation or triple your money back.

May Eris with her golden apple of chaos cause madness to all followers of the Profane Cult of Bob Dobbs.
............oh wait they are already mad.

23 skidoo

“Why do they blame me for all their little failings? They use my name as if I spent my entire days sitting on their shoulders, forcing them to commit acts they would otherwise find repulsive. 'The devil made me do it.' I have never made one of them do anything. Never. They live their own tiny lives. I do not live their lives for them.”
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 4: Season of Mists

This go nowhere, likely to not even be properly responded to thread is probably my favorite active one today.

Levi, Satan, Lucifer, claims of "real magic", Discordia, SubGenius and now Sandman.

This just needs a few more things...

a reply to: Noncents

Picture games? Fun!

originally posted by: OneGoal
a reply to: Noncents

Picture games? Fun!

Reminds me of Yaldabaoth.

a reply to: Perfectenemy

Never trust someone with a sack full of toys who creeps into childrens bedrooms.

You are confused sir. The only one who stalks children in their bedrooms is the tooth fairy, to satisfy her creepy fetish of grinding the teeth into powder and snorting it up for the keks.
Our dear old friend simply stumbles drunk out into your common rooms briefly to drop off the wrong gifts.

I always wondered in the back of my head, if the rulers of ancient times when these technological 'diety aliens' or whatever they are roamed our world with them ordered all scribes to record the most dastardly things and attach said records to the names of those who were in fact righteous or those who took action to better plights and empower minds.

If you ruled with an iron fist and through ignorance and fear, it sure would be unfortunate if someone with shiny toys and big words came around and started to teach things which were not known, or make it as if miracles were being performed when using tools and technology to assist others an encourage cooperation for shared prosperity.

So maybe the records are reversed and the names swapped out. Sometimes it seems strange. The commonly revered deities seem to demand complete mental and physical submission; their counterpart which is often taught to be hated and avoided and fought usually encourages the liberty to live as you choose. Too often in pop culture it is represented as coming with the price that a deal is struck for one's soul. Where does this concept originate from, does anyone have any insight into that?

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Too often in pop culture it is represented as coming with the price that a deal is struck for one's soul. Where does this concept originate from, does anyone have any insight into that?

My interpretation:

Standing alone, my soul is mine.

Standing within a collective, I give over a part of my soul to the collective mind.

In truth I have sold my soul for whatever the collective is selling.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
The commonly revered deities seem to demand complete mental and physical submission; their counterpart which is often taught to be hated and avoided and fought usually encourages the liberty to live as you choose.

And that's one of the main reasons I hail Eris!

She doesn't want submission, or tithes, or prayer. Actually it's probably better to not pray to her at all, least she notice. It's a relationship of unacknowledged acknowledgement. We've got bad translations and saints, a total lack of bigotry, mysticism, 203 sheep erasers and five tons of flax. All without being condemned or made to feel bad once.

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Wait a minute Satan equals Santa. Holy nutballs i knew i it. Never trust someone with a sack full of toys who creeps into childrens bedrooms.

Oh how the plot thickens.

Lucifer is a hell of a good TV show that comes on Monday night.

I don't know who Lucifer is, I just know that the word devil refers to troublemakers and deceivers and that Satan is the one who delivers the test of our worthiness by tempting us.