The strangest Coincidence regarding the Pentagon attack on 9/11

a reply to: D8Tee

If you were read what his actual claims were, you would see why what he said does not mean anything, it was a strawman argument.

Thanks for your "opinion". But I have to kindly disagree with you.

Why Are NIST’s 9/11 WTC Reports False and Unscientific?

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a reply to: Informer1958

Ryan used his company’s email to question the import of tests done by it for NIST’s report on the Towers. The tests were far outside his area of expertise, and his misrepresentations in the letter got him fired from UL.

a reply to: D8Tee

The tests were far outside his area of expertise,

Your "opinion".

and his misrepresentations in the letter got him fired from UL.

Care to prove your accusation?

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: D8Tee

The tests were far outside his area of expertise,

Your "opinion".

and his misrepresentations in the letter got him fired from UL.

Care to prove your accusation?

Of course the tests were outside of his area of expertise, the dude has a degree in chemistry and he tested was responsible for the water quality lab.

a reply to: D8Tee

Of course the tests were outside of his area of expertise, the dude has a degree in chemistry and he tested was responsible for the water quality lab.

You have given "no evidence" that Ryan is incompetent in given his "opinion".

Yet you push your opinions as some kind of fact, perhaps those are your facts, they certainly are not mine.

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: D8Tee

Of course the tests were outside of his area of expertise, the dude has a degree in chemistry and he tested was responsible for the water quality lab.

You have given "no evidence" that Ryan is incompetent in given his "opinion".

Yet you push your opinions as some kind of fact, perhaps those are your facts, they certainly are not mine.

Quit twisting my words, it's dishonest.

I said the testing was outside his area of expertise.

Where did I say he was incompetant?

Environmental Health Laboratories is a company, which offers laboratory facilities for chemical and microbiological analyses of drinking water. It helps public water supplies comply with Safe Drinking Water Act regulations and assists environmental professionals in understanding changes in the industry.


Do you even have any idea what Ryan's claims were in the first place Informer???

a reply to: D8Tee

Of course the tests were outside of his area of expertise, the dude has a degree in chemistry and he tested was responsible for the water quality lab.

Ah yes - Ryan got the nickname "waterboy" .......

a reply to: D8Tee

I said the testing was outside his area of expertise.

So essentially you are claiming Ryan is incompetent to voice his "opinion".

So what has Ryan got to do with the Pentagon or the OP?

I have to apologise. This topic has nothing to do with the OP.

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: D8Tee

I said the testing was outside his area of expertise.

So essentially you are claiming Ryan is incompetent to voice his "opinion"

Waterboy had no expertise in metallurgical testing, he shouldn't have used official Underwriter channels to start spouting off what he knew nothing about, got his ass fired for that, what an idiot.

So what has Ryan got to do with the Pentagon or the OP?

You tell me, you truthers brought him up to make some point. I know you guys don't like being presented with evidence that challenges your narrative, quite the blow to the ego to see how wrong you actually are. Doubt you even know what Ryan's original assertions even were, just knew he worked for Underwriters and got canned, ohh, smoking gun!

a reply to: D8Tee

You tell me, you truthers brought him up to make some point. I know you guys don't like being presented with evidence that challenges your narrative, quite the blow to the ego to see how wrong you actually are. Doubt you even know what Ryan's original assertions even were, just knew he worked for Underwriters and got canned, ohh, smoking gun!

I am done with you and your condescending remarks.

You need to take a time out, and read ATS TC. Name calling on member is forbidding. Have some manners when addressing members on ATS.

Waterboy had no expertise in metallurgical testing, he shouldn't have used official Underwriter channels to start spouting off what he knew nothing about, got his ass fired for that, what an idiot.

“Kevin Ryan: Through his work at Underwriters Laboratories (UL), Ryan began to investigate the tragedy of September 11th, 2001. He was fired by UL, in 2004, for publicly asking questions about the WTC investigation being conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Ryan has served as co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies, and a member and/or director of a number of 9/11 truth groups. Additionally, Ryan has co-authored several books and peer-reviewed scientific articles on the subject.”

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You have called me out as being dishonest among other things, yet you have no problems being dishonest about Kevin Ryan. Shame on you.

a reply to: Informer1958

You need to take a time out, and read ATS TC. Name calling on member is forbidding. Have some manners when addressing members on ATS.

Quit trying to control my posting, if you don't like it, use the ALERT button.

You have called me out as being dishonest among other things, yet you have no problems being dishonest about Kevin Ryan. Shame on you.

How am I being dishonest about Waterboy? Dude was an idiot and got himself fired. Questioning is fine, but don't start using your company email and credentials, just plain dumb.

Here's the closing of his letter that got him canned.

Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.

a reply to: Informer1958

What's up never say orange jumpsuit?

How does firing the guy stop the guy from questioning? Stop spinning a false narrative around he got fired for simply violating company policy.

I cannot use company letterhead to say I support a politician, or cause.

I cannot even ask other employees to donate to a charity or sale goods for fundraising while on company time.....

a reply to: Informer1958

Anyway, what does this all have to do with the fact that a large jet hit the pentagon.

Do you have a credible argument to counter the works cited a large jet hit the pentagon. Works that use the scientific method and show the damage at the pentagon was most likely caused by a large jet strike. Works independent of the government?

Simple question. Yes or No? Did a large jet cause the damage at the pentagon?

a reply to: D8Tee

Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.

And this information come from where? Where is your source?

Not posting your sources makes your information not acceptable and perhaps fraudulent.

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: D8Tee

Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.

And this information come from where? Where is your source?

Not posting your sources makes your information not acceptable and perhaps fraudulent.

Like I said, it's the last paragraph of the email that got Waterboy canned.

Ryan forwarded his email to truth campaigner David Ray Griffin, who obtained permission to publish it on septembereleventh.org. A few days after the email appeared on the site Ryan was fired from Underwriters. The reason given by the company for letting him go was that he “expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL.”

If you are not capable of finding the email, let me know and I can find it again for you, I'm a bit pressed for time right now or I'd do it for you, I don't mind holding your hand as you seem not very good at internet research, more than happy to help you.

a reply to: D8Tee

Like I said, it's the last paragraph of the email that got Waterboy canned.

Ryan forwarded his email to truth campaigner David Ray Griffin, who obtained permission to publish it on septembereleventh.org. A few days after the email appeared on the site Ryan was fired from Underwriters. The reason given by the company for letting him go was that he “expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL.”

Sorry, I haven't seen this information before, and I am calling you out. As far as I am concern this is BS because it has no credibal source.

If your sources is not credible, nor is your information.

a reply to: Informer1958

And you still didn't answer to your straw man argument. How did firing him silence him. How did it prevent him from being useful to the truth movement if he was truly in the know?

a reply to: Informer1958

Good gosh person, use google

www.metabunk.org...

screwloosechange.blogspot.com...

www.nwitimes.com... ml

Title: Lab chief fired over letter about World Trade Center's collapse
Nov 22, 2004

Underwriters Laboratories denied that it ever certified the steel in the World Trade Center buildings and said Ryan wrote the letter "without UL's knowledge or authorization."

"UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, a spokesman for the Northbrook, Ill.-based company.

Ryan was fired, Baker said, because he "expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL."

a reply to: neutronflux

Mick West who is the site administrator of "www.metabunk.org..."

The source you are using as your holy grail of truth is in fact a discussion board in defending the OS of 911.

Not only is it mostly "opinionated" from the site administrator, I notice a few who have questions Mick West "opinions" were Banned.

You call this a credibal source? Seriously?


Screw Loose Change "screwloosechange.blogspot.com..."

Another yellow journalism hit piece that is mostly "opinionated" little to no sources and a very biased website that Venomously defends the OS of 911.

And now for your last source.

www.nwitimes.com... ml

Element not valid

The element requested is either not valid or does not exist.

I guess that is why your friend didn't post a credible source to his BS.

Now look who is being deceptive, and intellectually dishonest here.

a reply to: Informer1958

I guess that is why your friend didn't post a credible source to his BS.

Now look who is being deceptive, and intellectually dishonest here.

Neutron gave you sources, you choose to ignore them.

You also choose not to engage your own brain and do your own homework, shame on you for being so lazy.

septembereleventhdotorg source

You had all the tools available to you in my original post, the source was WITHIN the post, you only had to do a quick google search Informer, grow up and quit making baseless accusations.

Ryan forwarded his email to truth campaigner David Ray Griffin, who obtained permission to publish it on septembereleventh.org. A few days after the email appeared on the site Ryan was fired from Underwriters. The reason given by the company for letting him go was that he “expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL.”