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Former liberal congressman and presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said Tuesday:
What’s at the core of this is an effort by some in the intelligence community to upend any positive relationship between the U.S. and Russia. And I tell you there’s a marching band and Chowder Society out there. There are people trying to separate the U.S. and Russia so that this military industrial intel axis can cash in.
Similarly, Pulitzer prize winning journalist Glenn Greenwald said today:
The deep state, although there’s no precise or scientific definition, generally refers to the agencies in Washington that are permanent power factions. They stay and exercise power even as presidents who are elected come and go. They typically exercise their power in secret, in the dark, and so they’re barely subject to democratic accountability, if they’re subject to it at all. It’s agencies like the CIA, the NSA and the other intelligence agencies, that are essentially designed to disseminate disinformation and deceit and propaganda, and have a long history of doing not only that, but also have a long history of the world’s worst war crimes, atrocities and death squads.
This is who not just people like Bill Kristol, but lots of Democrats are placing their faith in, are trying to empower, are cheering for as they exert power separate and apart from—in fact, in opposition to—the political officials to whom they’re supposed to be subordinate.
That isn’t what this resistance is now doing. What they’re doing instead is trying to take maybe the only faction worse than Donald Trump, which is the deep state, the CIA, with its histories of atrocities, and say they ought to almost engage in like a soft coup, where they take the elected president and prevent him from enacting his policies. And I think it is extremely dangerous to do that.
Even if you’re somebody who believes that both the CIA and the deep state, on the one hand, and the Trump presidency, on the other, are extremely dangerous, as I do, there’s a huge difference between the two, which is that Trump was democratically elected and is subject to democratic controls, as these courts just demonstrated and as the media is showing, as citizens are proving. But on the other hand, the CIA was elected by nobody. They’re barely subject to democratic controls at all. And so, to urge that the CIA and the intelligence community empower itself to undermine the elected branches of government is insanity. That is a prescription for destroying democracy overnight in the name of saving it.
originally posted by: underwerks
If the CIA has the power you all are saying, then how could Trump be anything but who they intended to be president?
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Anyone with the stones to take on the CIA/NSA has my support. We can deal with how big of a scoundrel they are later....the back of the CIA/NSA must be broken.
And the DEA, DHS, IRS,ATF, and FBI. And Department of Education.
But start with the CIA/NSA.
originally posted by: worldstarcountry
originally posted by: underwerks
That's the thing though. Trump says he's against meddling in foreign countries, but his rhetoric about Iran and the middle east matches Wesley Clark's invasion plan for the future perfectly.
I don't believe he's as different as your saying, he's just being sold as that. He's being used just as any other President would be. I'm sure he doesn't believe that, but not believing that is what makes him open to being used by these same intelligence aagencies.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
If he manages to choke the IC dragon, the nation will end up praising him. None of us like war.
originally posted by: underwerks
If the CIA has the power you all are saying, then how could Trump be anything but who they intended to be president?
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Kettu
They failed their job when it came to Iraq and WMD's, which has sent out nation into a cesspool to shovel the muck. Then Smith Mundt was repealed, and they reinfested our media to run their operations on us instead of foreign nations. The apparatus we trained to topple foreign governments was unleashed domestically.
The result has been obvious. And blatant. Its been so obvious and blatant that the Peple actually elected Trump. Think about that. The People have seen so much horse shiz that they were willing to elect Donald Trump, of all people.