Shriners according to 'Rev' Ronald Hall

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: intrptr

I am very spiritual/religous, yet not in a men's club so I don't think your opinion is worth considering even.

Women like religion too.

Masonry, like Catholicism are exclusive mens clubs.

Masonry isn't a religion.

Catholicism has women, and not just nuns.

And is one religion.

originally posted by: Sahabi

originally posted by: intrptr
Masonry doesn't have anything to do with brick laying either, lol.

Tell them to dump the Islamic crescent moon and star from their symbology then.

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Freemasonry does indeed have deep ties to Stonemasonry.

• The Old Charges, teachings, and mythology of medieval Stonemason Guilds holds many similarities and correlations to Accepted Freemasonry.

• Stonemason Guilds began to admit non-operation Accepted Masons into their fraternities. Therefore, early Freemasons participated in Stonemason rituals.

• Freemasonry utilizes Stonemasonry principles and symbols.

• Freemasons practice "brick laying" in the literal and ceremonial cornerstone laying of government and religious buildings.

Like you said in the end, its a ceremonial religion. We are warned about observing times and dates and setting aside the laws of god, by our traditions. This includes steeped ritual, ceremony, symbolism.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: intrptr

I am very spiritual/religous, yet not in a men's club so I don't think your opinion is worth considering even.

Women like religion too.

Masonry, like Catholicism are exclusive mens clubs.

Masonry isn't a religion.

Catholicism has women, and not just nuns.

And is one religion.

Okay, not a religion.

Catholicism where only men are the top echelon, the women wearing dark clothing hiding in "nunneries" resigned to doing penance for whatever sins they are being blamed for.

a reply to: intrptr

So Catholicism shaped your world view on EVERY religion.

Odd.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

Yet you still complain.

Might want to revisit the notion that you are over it.

Exposing the truth isn't "complaining".

It is when it is only your opinion, not fact.

Well yah only opinion, but seems to bother you.

Take your own advice, get over it.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: intrptr

So Catholicism shaped your world view on EVERY religion.

Odd.

Religion is man made. All of them.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: intrptr

So Catholicism shaped your world view on EVERY religion.

Odd.

Religion is man made. All of them.

God isn't.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

Yet you still complain.

Might want to revisit the notion that you are over it.

Exposing the truth isn't "complaining".

It is when it is only your opinion, not fact.

Well yah only opinion, but seems to bother you.

Take your own advice, get over it.

I enjoy this, I am not bothered by your narrow minded opinion at all.

I find it humorous.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: intrptr

So Catholicism shaped your world view on EVERY religion.

Odd.

Religion is man made. All of them.

God isn't.

"God" is misunderstood. So is spirituality. Strip tradition, ritual and ceremony from worlds religions and whats left?

The only thing we need, spirituality.

Religion is a club, They have a club house, meetings, dues, leadership, everything and everyone is directed to support the club. Not the spirit, nor the individual, but the club.

Pass the basket.

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

Yet you still complain.

Might want to revisit the notion that you are over it.

Exposing the truth isn't "complaining".

It is when it is only your opinion, not fact.

Well yah only opinion, but seems to bother you.

Take your own advice, get over it.

I enjoy this, I am not bothered by your narrow minded opinion at all.

I find it humorous.

Me too. The narrow minds are trapped in dogma that reinfoces the tradition, the ritual and the symbology. Without that there is no 'religion'.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: irenialilivenka

I'd get over it if I were you.

I got over religion a long time ago.

Just another club. Mens clubs are the worst.

Yet you still complain.

Might want to revisit the notion that you are over it.

Exposing the truth isn't "complaining".

It is when it is only your opinion, not fact.

Well yah only opinion, but seems to bother you.

Take your own advice, get over it.

I enjoy this, I am not bothered by your narrow minded opinion at all.

I find it humorous.

Me too. The narrow minds are trapped in dogma that reinfoces the tradition, the ritual and the symbology. Without that there is no 'religion'.

I study all religions.

But am trapped in no dogma, ritual or symbolism.

I don't think your theory has legs, friend, you just don't like something, which is fine.

Don't rain on others parade though.

Just some benevolent advice, you come across as hostile towards anything spiritual whether religous or independently God seeking .

Not the best look.

Now its "friend" and "spirituality".

Thanks for coming around.

a reply to: intrptr

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: intrptr

I am very spiritual/religous, yet not in a men's club so I don't think your opinion is worth considering even.

Women like religion too.

Masonry, like Catholicism are exclusive mens clubs.

Not true.

Did you know that all Grand Lodges around the world are sovereign from one another? U.S. and U.G.L.E. Anglo/American Freemasonry is males only, but Freemasonry in general is not male only.

The Grand Orients of Continental Europe, which are just as old as U.S. & U.G.L.E. Freemasonry, share the same lineages, and recognize all-women Freemasonic Orders, as well as mixed Co-Freemasonic Orders.

The Immediate Past Master of my Lodge is a wonderful and wise 33-Degree woman.

Like you said in the end, its a ceremonial religion. We are warned about observing times and dates and setting aside the laws of god, by our traditions. This includes steeped ritual, ceremony, symbolism.

1. Freemasonry is not a religion.

2. You said Freemasonry has nothing to do with "brick laying", when in fact, there is ample evidence that Accepted Freemasonry emerged from Stonemasonry Guilds.

3. No times and dates? Can you set the example for us by living the rest of your life without a single regard to your work start-time or the time of any appointment at all,.... or the birthday of your spouse, friends, and family,... can you ignore the seasons,... can you create a petition to get rid of all holidays and holy days?

Do you live your life without awareness of the time, day, month, or year? Do you absolutely never ever commemorate anything at all? Disregarding time and dates makes no sense in a Judeo-Christian context, as God himself articulated his creation according to set days.

4. All Laws of God are based upon love for God and love for fellow humans. We don't need to over complicate things with doctrine and dogma.

5. No symbols? The parables of Jesus are symbols put into words and stories.

originally posted by: intrptr
Now its "friend" and "spirituality".

Thanks for coming around.

Religion/spiritually was my first way of stating my interest.

I dropped it from the second mention for convenience.

But yes, friend is correct.

My definition is (of religion) the same as the Greeks and Hindus.

The search for truth.

And I have found much truth in religion AND spirituality.

a reply to: eisegesis
The Shriners are Arab themed, not Islamic nor tied to the Ottoman Empire.

a reply to: intrptr
Freemasonry isn't a religion.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: eisegesis
The Shriners are Arab themed, not Islamic nor tied to the Ottoman Empire.

a reply to: intrptr
Freemasonry isn't a religion.