Quantum Physics entanglement proves that biological information exchange is possible (telepathy)

a reply to: olaru12

What astonished me is that those of the conservative mind set poopoo anything supernatural, psychic, etc...yet profess a solid faith in God and the Bible is his Holy word. The Bible is filled with supernatural events. curious....

Dr. Micheal Heiser has pointed that out in many of his lectures and interviews . He shows that main stream Christianity thinks they need to protect us from what the Bible teaches about the unseen realm . They pass over certain passages with the "move along folks ,nothing to see here" . His work is epic in such a simple way but is based in academic peer reviewed papers . He boils it down into lay people terms with out loosing any of the optics .

originally posted by: VegHead
Identical twins sometimes appear telepathic (one gets hurt and the other - miles away- feels it, for example). Are they entangled?

Interesting post - thanks!!! I'll watch the video later tonight.

That would be empathatic . It is interesting .

Food for thought. Could explain a lot of parasychological occurrences.

a reply to: LittleByLittle

It wasn't her that changed.

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Kaku is wrong, he hasn't found the spooky stuff that entangles the mind...

And you have? This is how you know he's wrong? Is he wrong about telepathy being easier than you think?

The Pauli Effect
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Let’s take a look at the man for whom the Pauli Effect was names, the brilliant pioneer of quantum mechanics, Wolfgang Pauli, whose long-time dialogue with Jung contributed to the great psychologist’s theory of synchronicity. Over many years, Pauli’s colleagues credited him with the tendency to cause things (especially physics experiments and equipment) to blow up, with no damage to himself. At least one experimental physicist, Otto Stern, banned Pauli from coming anywhere near his laboratory.

Pauli’s friend and colleague Rudolf Peierls described the Paul Effect as follows: “This was a kind of spell he was supposed to cast on people or objects in his neighborhood, particularly in physics laboratories, causing accidents of all sorts. Machines would stop running when he arrived in a laboratory, a glass apparatus would suddenly break, a leak would appear in a vacuum system, but none of these accidents would ever hurt or inconvenience Pauli himself.”

If quantum physics was following the phenomena and learning from them instead of ignoring them we would probably have gotten farther in creating models that included the spookiness. Scientists have built themselves their own echo chamber where they avoid certain phenomena since they cannot handle the reality they meet when they go after the data.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Science may be guilty of spending too much time and too much money on ideas that are a waste of time only to be proven incorrect .

So how do we find which ideas are correct and which are wrong if we don't 'spend time and money' asking questions and exploring the implications?

How do we know in advance which ideas are going to be 'proven wrong' so we don't 'waste' time and money?

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: imitator
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Kaku is wrong, he hasn't found the spooky stuff that entangles the mind...

And you have? This is how you know he's wrong? Is he wrong about telepathy being easier than you think?

Yea sure, some would call it the sixth sense!

I know for a fact Kaku is wrong, he doesn't account for the millions of telepathic testimonies that exist between married couples and twins.

It's a fact that many couples, if they live together for a period of time, begin to telepath each others thoughts. Their minds become entangled, much like Plato's twin etc.

When that instant connection happens, it's much more than just anticipating thoughts!

The proof is out there, it's way much better than Kaku's computer/radio....

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
I cannot understand how some people can logically accept that entanglement happens and at the same time say telepathy cannot occur. If 2 parts of reality can be connected to each other regardless of distance then since are cells are using particles as information storage it is clear that information can be infused telepathically on a quantum scale.

The most used excuse that I have encountered is that quantum effects do only happen near absolute zero that have been disproved.

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To say it is impossible is ignoring the objective measurement and choosing faith dogma over observation.

To say anything is not being objective, as soon as a side of debate one way or the other occurs? It becomes subjective so of course is the data going to be subject the study itself all situations and phenomena arising not observed? Only if measured... yet can all such occuring phenomena be measured and quantified? No... so relative to the conditions; it is always wabi sabi or good enough... as subjects go when ceasing to be objective.

Years ago, I was searching for evidence of technical telepathy as an augment in my effort to understand certain elements of near Earth ET exhibitions. I came across a fellow named Cleve Backster who at the time that I tracked'm down, was residing in San Diego California and he was operating a laboratory he named "BioCommunications Corp." I had been given a couple of papers by Colm Kelleher when I was chatting with his community regarding my ET interaction experiments. They were doing similar things.

Turns out Cleve Backster was a long-term proponent of cellular-telepathy, but he told me (via telephone during one chat) that he renamed the process as the phrase "telepathy" was greatly disdained by academics (some of the dumbest phkrs on Earth, but have really good memory, IMO). Backster renamed the process, biocommunication to side-step the negative connotation that the phrase portended. Cleve Backster was a principal promoter of the so-called lie-detector and was an expert operator, helping to evolve the technology into what it has become mainly today. He earned an honorary Ph.D. as result and was a repeat lie-detector consultant for numerous different federal agencies including the FBI.

He told me that he began to experiment with his Galvanic Skin Resistance (GSR) apparatus back in the mid-1950s. He was wont to attach his GSR probes to virtually anything, and eventually turned his interest to instrument plants in his office. He discovered and published, amid much controversy, his findings. He claimed that plants exhibited a non-local "primary perception", eg, sensed the presence and activities of his thoughts. He came to conclude this after many experiments. During his early experiment period, he attached several time-metered chart-recorded GSR probes to various types of experiment plants in his laboratory. He was initially interested to see if his GSR instrument could detect and register any physio-biotanical changes in plants due to watering and any other environmental influences. He watered the plants on a schedual every day at 1:00pm. Remember that he was recording any effects the plants might register. He also monitored the laboratory environment, things like temperature swings, night and day lighting conditions, airconditioning motor vibration, etc. During this period he had been again invited to participate in an FBI court matter and was traveling by airplane, glancing at his watch on his wrist, he realized that he had forgotten to water the plants at 1o'clock, but it was three o'clock when he glanced at the watch. When he returned from Washington DC, he checked his chart-recorders and noticed that there was a siginificant spike at 3 o'clock on the chart, exactly when he reliazed, a thousand miles away that he felt the pang of having not watered his plants and nothing out of the oridinary registered at 1 o'clock. Apparently, the plants had some how sensed his dismay. Continuing in that vein of study, he began to further experiment with plants until such time that he was able to repeatedly demonstrate that plants can exhibit fear, by visualizing cutting or burning its leaves, etc.

Cleve told me that he began experimenting with live Human cells, and later a doctor had informed him that he could acquire living cells without having to withdraw blood using a needle. He was able to do so by simply scraping the interior of a mouth or tounge with a suitable scraper such as a steril plastic toungue depressor!! One of his experiment papers is titled, "In-Vitro Leuckocyte, Intra-Cellular Biocommunication" which describes intra-cellular communication at virtually any distance through the mechanizm of cellular primary-perception, eg, cellular telepathy. His studies illustrate taking live cells from a Human subject, suspending the cells inside a GSR instrumented test-tube, moving the test-tube a distance from the donor. One test involved moving the test-tube 150 miles from the donor while instrumenting both the cell donor and the donor's test-tube cells at distance. Both the test-tube cells and the donor were attached to time-metered chart-recorders on a GSR meter. The experiments repeatedly demonstrated time corollated recorded trigger events, to which the donor of the instrumented cells were subjected. Surprisingly, Dr. Backster also soon discovered that the biorythms of the donor were exactly synchronized with the test-tube cells' biorythms at distance in fact, they were the same.

Interestingly, some time around 1966 ~ 1967, an article was published in Popular Electronics, titled "Plant Parapsychology Experiment", written by Cleve Backster which I had read and duplicated, but had completely forgotten about until he mentioned the article to me in conversation. Dr. Backster designed and published construction plans for a transistorized GSR instrument to enable others to replicate his plant experiments. The simple transistorized GSR meter along with silver 'leaf-probes' were used to attach to the leaves of plants. One would think thoughts at the instrumented plant, noting any meter deflections. I had and enjoyed much good success with my duplicate instrument. I found it to work exactly as he claimed.

I remember using a Japanese tape-recorder that my Dad had sent to me while he was in working in Thailand as a birthday present, but from which I scavanged electronic components for the plant parapsychology GSR project. I used the case to house the circuit and it was powered by a 9 Volt smoke-detector battery. I hand soldered everything point-to-point. When completed, It worked great. I scavanged the meter (D'Arsonval galvanometer) out of an old vacuum tube reel-to-reel tape-recorder's VU meter. Nothing was safe around me. You would not believe what I did with old land-line telephones.. Stuff we do for fun as kids!!

The bottom line to all this blah blah blah. Apparently everything that is alive exhibits some form of intelligence and consciousness. Consciousness is the fabric of telepathy.

It is interesting to note, that Cleve Backster coined both the phrases, "pyschotronics" and "psionics" contrary to the rumor that Ingo Swan was the coiner. Both phrases were used in Backster's paper publications long before Mr. Swan's usage of those phrases. But it wasn't Cleve Backster that edified me about the matter, but rather the president of the Psychotronic Association told me during one conference.

If ya wanna try it yourself, a simple arraingement can be had using the high-impedance range of the 'resistance' setting on virtually any Digital-Volt-Meter (DVM, although old style meter movement Simpsons work the best without using specific amplification) along with kludging a couple of probes. Solder or otherwise afix wires to a pair of cleaned dimes (small diameter US 10 cent coin...for our European readers), then tape the dimes to a broad-leaf plant. Remember, they are conscious, try not to be too nasty in your treatment of them.

plutron

When deja vu and dreams are explained I will not listen to any argument against the op 👌

a reply to: Denoli
Simple. We have all been here before. (turn it up...to 11)

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Anythings possible i suppose once we understand the processes involved.

The notion of telepathy/telepathic communication has been around since the inception of recorded history so there may be more to the phenomenon than we fully understand.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

So....... drum roll......... which degrees do you hold and which college did you get them in?

I might ask you the same question but I want to mix it up a bit .I have noticed that you use that line . Have you produced any peer-reviewed papers, and could you provide a link to your work you specialize in ?

I have been an engineer for many years with a degree in material science. I studied in san diego and Nashville. But then i am not the one making the claims here. I am the one calling bull#.

So how about you then? What is your educational background?

a reply to: LittleByLittle

I have no doubt that such exchange is indeed possible, but think you may be on the wrong track focusing on 'cells.' Best look to proteins and prions, imho.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: LittleByLittle

How would your atoms get entangled with someone else's atoms, in order for you to be able to send and recieve msgs?

Because hand waving and 'quantum'.

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: LittleByLittle

I have no doubt that such exchange is indeed possible, but think you may be on the wrong track focusing on 'cells.' Best look to proteins and prions, imho.

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You are right from my point of view since one celled organisms have information stored within it. It should be more like a data center (cell) is able to use entanglement within itself to communicate with other data centers (cells).

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Everybody would agree with Michio that its improbable that two entangled minds could ever exist but that doesn't mean that processes within our brains don't use entanglement. And those entangled processes might not be restrained by the thickness of our skulls.

The key question for the researchers was what influence does the double helical structure of DNA have on this oscillation? To answer the question, they first modeled how the phonons would behave at absolute zero temperature. Here (mathematically) it was clear the phonons would be typical quantum objects, existing as both waves and particles exhibiting the property of quantum entanglement. As it turns out, the size of the DNA helix corresponds rather well to the wavelength (frequency) of the phonons. This correspondence causes the phonons to stay within this frequency, something called ‘phonon trapping.’ Though the nucleotide phonons in each base pair oscillate in opposite directions they do so in a quantum entangled system – they act together and at the same frequency, ensuring the stability of the pair bond and of the helix itself.
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So without really understanding why entanglement occurs (aka David Bohm thoughts) I don't see how Michio or anyone else, can infer its limitations. Telepathy though entanglement is as improbable as entanglement in itself. Yet entanglement has been proven.

originally posted by: glend
So without really understanding why entanglement occurs (aka David Bohm thoughts) I don't see how Michio or anyone else, can infer its limitations.

We know when it doesn't occur in our experiments, and that's when the molecules haven't been in close proximity, which pretty much applies to any two separate brains. This is the point woodcarver's question was getting at on page 1.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: LittleByLittle

How would your atoms get entangled with someone else's atoms, in order for you to be able to send and recieve msgs?

So unless you can answer woodcarver's question, even if we don't fully understand entanglement we do understand this much, that close proximity is needed for the atoms to get entangled in the first place, unless you have experiments to demonstrate otherwise which I'm pretty sure you don't. So all other arguments aside that pretty much kills the idea of telepathy resulting from entanglement. It doesn't rule out telepathy from other possibilities however.

We dont need quantum entanglement for telepathy. Just combine these and add the internet.

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