Obama Restricted The Immigration Of Certain People Into The U.S. 19 TIMES

a reply to: darkbake

In court that is not admissible if the law is been enforced, taking into consideration that matters of opinion are not even debated in court. Only the supreme court can do that and only base on constitutionality.

The only reason Trump enforcement of existing laws is bad, racist, anti Muslim and blah blah blah is because hell is Trump and those that hate him don't like what he is doing no matter what he does, no good argument for court.

a reply to: marg6043

And because he clearly said he would ban Muslims.

Vetting is very important and must be done. Blanket bans solve nothing. Especially when countries that support and harbor terrorists, such as Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia are left off the list.

Edit: Obama and George Bush's restrictions were actual vetting. Both made sense.

a reply to: JimSmith

Ah, but it wasn't him the one that pass the act of 2015, remember US President Barack Obama’s administration selected these seven Muslim-majority countries. After all he is just basing his EO on existing laws.

Or you forgot about that.

It was signed into law on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016.

Yes, I can see already the decisions base on facts about the ban, is was not Trumps ban it was Obama's enforcement ban.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: eluryh22

Just curious, of people can't be vetted because they are coming from destabilized areas, how could you know who engaged in what exactly?

That's not really the topic.

But I don't think that people who can't be vetted are, or should be, allowed into the US.

Perhaps not the original intent of the OP but you essentially introduced that aspect into the thread with your post (that I replied to).

You indicated that under the better, Obama restric

Suspending the entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of aliens who are determined to have “contributed to the situation in Libya” in specified ways

I was simply asking how it is different? If nobody is was able to ascertain if a person "contributed to the situation in Libya" under Obama.... why is it suddenly probably that we could ascertain this under Trump?

Not looking to get into an argument but I'm trying to understand the difference (other than the D or R next to whomever's name).

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

You didn't read the OP?

I did better than that. SEAN HANNITY just appeared on FOX NEWS for an hour segment. He played speech that President Obama delivered from White House. It was AMAZING. President Obama sounded just like Donald Trump does now, when it comes to restricting and also vetting immigrants from certain regions.

a reply to: marg6043

That is true that the seven countries were chosen by the Obama administration. That act, however, did not ban travel. It stated that people from those countries could not take part in the Visa Waiver Program. They had to go to embassies or consulates for in-person interviews before being granted, or denied, visas. In other words, they were vetted.

Trump took that reasonable order (though as I said in my previous post, three countries that should be on the list are missing. Obama missed the boat too) and turned it into a ban.

a reply to: JimSmith

Hell then we need to bring back Obama and ask him why he forgot those three countries, darn is only seven compare to about 40 Muslim countries that still get entrance into the US.

So the anti Muslim ban thingy is no going to stick.

a reply to: marg6043

Damn right we need to ask Obama that! I fully agree! He messed up.

a reply to: JimSmith

I wish we could have a nice debate on what went wrong with the EO and the ban, because I have a lot to say about the way it was implement, but is hard, to do that, when emotions are soo high right now.

It will be a nice topic with more civility.

The EO was wrongly and too hastily executed. I have to say that.

a reply to: xuenchen

did he restrict people who were already vetted? did he restrict people with dual citizenship? did he restrict green card and visa holders? did he have these people locked in a room at the airport with no access to attorneys?

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: JimSmith


The EO was wrongly and too hastily executed. I have to say that.

How would you do that without tipping off the would-be terrorists? Some "expert" on the TV just said the same thing I posted a few minutes ago. If anyone from those countries have their sights on hurting Americans, here in America, they are RUSHING to get here ASAP.. while they can.

a reply to: carewemust

I tell you what, if any will be jihadist enter the country now, we should go and hang by the conjones the judges that are behind the restrain on the ban.

They should be hold accountable for any deaths as a result of them playing politics with the legislative branch.

a reply to: marg6043

nice to see a trump supporter admitting that he is not perfect.

i see some truths in some of the things trump wants to inact, yes we have to work on immigration both legal and illegal, yes we need to fight extremism, yes we need to fight crime here at home....the problem i have is the divisive way he puts it, he is pushing people right into the hands of the cartels, terrorist groups and gangs. the leaders of those groups will use his rhetoric as a recruiting tool, they will tell the impressionable youth - you see they don't like us, they don't want us, but we want you and can use you for our cause - what he is doing (pointing to and bad mouthing scapegoats as our countries problems) will breed more racism on all sides, more hate and distrust.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

What happen to all those social issues in the last 8 years?

Why Trump needs to come out now and do something about them.

Do you see the irony. I do, I guess in the last 8 years the social issues were not priority.

a reply to: marg6043

i guess the people in the top positions in the US government dont know what you know, or have similar googling skills as you.

if the EO can be restricted and put on hold, its because it can be. no point comparing which president did what, because im almost 99.999999% sure there are people on Trumps team and in the RNC who held government positions under multiple presidents and with masters, doctorates and years and years of experience, whom should know whatever clever links you can provide. for the most part they wrote those laws.

so if a judge can throw an EO back in the president's face, its because it can be done. its because the EO wanst lawful. otherwise no one would be able to counter Trumps team in its legality.

stop jumping through hoops. its not that it was "poorly executed", no enough... poor execution could not have been sole merit to put the ban on hold, period.

a reply to: marg6043

I can't argue with that. Every new thread on ATS is a powder keg these days. It is a shame too, that whenever someone criticizes Trump, he / she is called a snowflake, libtard, etc. Of course the same happened when Obama was in office, though to me it seems worse now. I long for a day when we can admit that both sides of the spectrum are idiotic.

a reply to: JimSmith

Hey I been here for over ten years I been on a few elections debates, but darn this election year is been the worst.

Thanks to Phage we now know what the CTRL LEFT will accept.

For example: Executive Order 13726 Suspending the entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of aliens who are determined to have “contributed to the situation in Libya” in specified ways

All Trump has to do is use this EO and replace Libya with the rest of the seven countries.

Easy Peasy. No protesty.

a reply to: odzeandennz

And your point is....... fill the blank please. Some quotes from the constitution to show how the ban will not stay will be appreciated, or some quotes on immigration laws I take that too.

a reply to: JimSmith

yup both sides of the spectrum are idiotic. i wish we could work with each other and meet each other somewhere in the middle. obama was too far left and couldn't or wasn't willing to bend enough to get anything done. trump is even worse. the perfect combo would have been trump and sanders as co-presidents and forced them to work together lol