Catholic Nun Perfectly Explains the Hypocrisy of the "Pro-Life" Argument

originally posted by: Hendrick99

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

So at month 9 women can abort their babies in your view. Got it.

Not your business.

You are an absolute #ing monster if you think it's okay to suction out piece by piece a 7-9 month developed baby from the womb. But hey, you go girl!

She also feels that the government should dictate who is allowed to get pregnant.

So you can't really call this stance pro choice, because she doesn't think women should have the choice to get pregnant.

I would say this stance is more anti baby.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Hendrick99

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

So at month 9 women can abort their babies in your view. Got it.

Not your business.

You are an absolute #ing monster if you think it's okay to suction out piece by piece a 7-9 month developed baby from the womb. But hey, you go girl!

She also feels that the government should dictate who is allowed to get pregnant.

Absolutely!

I am against irresponsible breeding.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Hendrick99

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

So at month 9 women can abort their babies in your view. Got it.

Not your business.

You are an absolute #ing monster if you think it's okay to suction out piece by piece a 7-9 month developed baby from the womb. But hey, you go girl!

She also feels that the government should dictate who is allowed to get pregnant.

Absolutely!

I am against irresponsible breeding.

I disagree with both of your positions as much as possible.

However, I don't mind discussing them with you.

If this is your stance, then why argue all over this thread that the state making any law about abortion is making the womans body a slave. Clearly this isn't an important argument to you.

Your true motivation is state controlled breeding.

So why all of the smoke and mirrors about a womans choice? Just say "I feel we are over populated, and so abortions should be encouraged".

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Hendrick99

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

So at month 9 women can abort their babies in your view. Got it.

Not your business.

You are an absolute #ing monster if you think it's okay to suction out piece by piece a 7-9 month developed baby from the womb. But hey, you go girl!

She also feels that the government should dictate who is allowed to get pregnant.

Absolutely!

I am against irresponsible breeding.

I disagree with both of your positions as much as possible.

However, I don't mind discussing them with you.

If this is your stance, then why argue all over this thread that the state making any law about abortion is making the womans body a slave. Clearly this isn't an important argument to you.

Your true motivation is state controlled breeding.

So why all of the smoke and mirrors about a womans choice? Just say "I feel we are over populated, and so abortions should be encouraged".

Interesting how you're trying to put your thoughts into my head.

Let's see - - I'm a 70 year old woman who lived before abortion was legal. Women died from backroom abortions.

Teens that got pregnant were forced to have them, then had the child ripped away from them with no way of knowing what happened to their child because of closed records.

My first pregnancy spontaneously aborted in the 4th month. I was 20 years old. The hospital had to put me in with the mothers who had their babies because of hospital construction.

I chose an elective abortion for the welfare of my 2 living daughters. Divorce is very emotional, the pregnancy resulted from an emotional cry fest with my soon to be Ex. Why was I divorcing him? Because he was jealous of his own children and they were beginning to show psychological effects. So, of course, I want to call off the divorce and bring another child into that situation. Only if I was crazy.

I have a 22 year old grandson. His mom was told she could never conceive. Similar to me, she broke up with her boyfriend of 11 years (met at church camp), got back together for one last Hoorah! and miraculously she got pregnant. She was 5 months pregnant before she knew - - then was given 24 hours to abort of have him sewn in. She chose sew him in. He made it to 7 months at 3 pounds.

I also have a 17 year old granddaughter that may now face possibly making a decision one way or the other.

And there's more, but that's enough.

Of course - - as you say - - I don't know anything.

a reply to: Annee

When did I say you don't know anything?

You have posted some emotional personal stroies and I would never take that away from you.

However, I feel that your emotions are clouding your judgement on this issue.

None of the stories you told here justify a 9 month term abortion. Period, end of story.

And more importantly, all of these emotional stories could be used to argue AGAINST your idea that only the state can decide which women should be able to get pregnant.

I could tell you many emotional stories just as you have about women trying to get pregnant, spending almost into bankruptcy, and undergoing many medical treatments, all for the hope of bringing a baby into the world.

And you would look at these sad stories and say "Sorry, for the good of the world you are not allowed to have a child"

Both the ideas you have on the subject are extreme and they totally contradict each other. 9 month term abortions should not be legal, and women should be allowed to get pregnant without the governments say so.

Although I sympathize with your difficult story, it in know way makes eithr of your positions anymore reasonable.

a reply to: Grambler

What is your experience with abortion?

What is your experience with adoption?

Do you have kids yet?

originally posted by: Grambler

You have posted some emotional personal stroies and I would never take that away from you.

Not emotional.

FACTS

a reply to: Grambler

I have been drawn into one of these threads again. I have to say that we all have reached our own perspectives based on personal biases of our own experiences. Naturally, many tend to white wash their responsibility. I have done it and probably still do it. It is an emotional crutch.

I do enjoy others sharing their more personal stories, since that helps me understand 'why' they think as they do. It may not change my personal bias...but makes me understand and attempt to find a common ground.

Abortion is a tough topic even for me as a woman and now, a grandmother. I was homeless, living out of the back of a pickup truck up near Mt Hood when I went into premature labor with my first born. Lived in the hospital garage the whole time she was in intensive care.

I had been married at a young age to an abusive man 22 1/2 years my senior, in attempt to escape all the abuse I had suffered throughout my childhood. My second child miscarried in a restroom bathroom, only two months in...at the time, I was excited, happy, and scared. It was not recognizable...a big blood clot that was flushed down the toilet.

My second child was born, we at least we're living in a cockroach infested apartment in Denver. At least until I had a roach crawl up into and within my ear canal....talk about excruciating pain. My husband poured peroxide in my ear and it came running out. We all wore cotton in our ears and the babies had bandanas around them to ensure they wouldn't dislodge the cotton balls until we collected the last paycheck and moved back into our truck and left state.

I managed to save up $500 for a 15ft travel trailer with no bathroom. We did have access to restrooms, laundry and showers via the campground. Amazingly, we felt blessed, since some families that had up to 6 children were living in army tents. My last child was born we were living in a mobile home.

Yes, I finally found the courage to divorce their father. He tried to strangle me. After our divorce, he ended up kidnapping my daughters for 5 years when a church my daughters attended were able to locate me online and help me to come to their rescue!

I now have 3 grandsons. 1 grandson is the product of rape, she chose to keep him and her husband raises him as his own. My other two grandsons were oopsies too. One, I had encouraged her to get an abortion early, but she waited and at 12 weeks made sure she seen an ultrasound. It was a baby inside and she did not go through with it.

My main point, even though I had suffered an abusive childhood, even ended up having my kids suffer in many ways...we ALL have risen above that now. We all have good and bad memories...but none of us would go back and change history. We are who we are because we overcome those challenges. Life is never easy...abortion is easy...only that is simply death and no real growth.

my daughters have excelled me, masters and bachelors in psychology and juvenile criminal justice social workers. They were tempered to help others due to real life experience. My grandsons are my greatest blessings! I never really had a choice, but am thankful that I didn't. I know I wonder about my miscarriage now and then. My daughter who contemplated abortion, spoils him terribly out of guilt and still gets emotional when she talks about what she was thinking of doing.

My long winded rant and point is that I am grateful for Annie sharing her personal experience. I may not agree, but I want to share my own personal bias so others understand. With understanding, perhaps more can find common grounds to accept and meet in the middle.


edit add: OMFG! I am sorry...I really didn't think I ranted for as long as all that above. Egad! Forgive me. My emotions got the better of me!

My kind of nun, she doesn't let her faith obstructing her rationality and common sense.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Grambler

What is your experience with abortion?

What is your experience with adoption?

Do you have kids yet?

I have no kids, have never aborted or adopted.

Look your story is a fact as in it happened, but it is still an argument based on emotion.

How does your story in any justify a woman having a 9 month therm abortion?

And why do you refuse to answer that there are many emotional stories of women that just want to have a baby, yet none of those stories would compel you apparently to change your belief that these women should not be allowed to make their own choice to get pregnant.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Grambler

What is your experience with abortion?

What is your experience with adoption?

Do you have kids yet?

I have no kids, have never aborted or adopted.

Look your story is a fact as in it happened, but it is still an argument based on emotion.

So, you have had zero experience with pregnancy, adoption, or abortion.

My Ex was adopted. I had intention of adopting, but illness prevented it. I did have a teen foster child. I am currently raising my younger grandson because his daddy died of Cancer.

My LIFE - - Not Story - - is fact by decisions made. Decisions made with real reasoning.

If anyone is basing posting in this thread on emotion it is you and your other anti-abortion cohorts.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Grambler

What is your experience with abortion?

What is your experience with adoption?

Do you have kids yet?

I have no kids, have never aborted or adopted.

Look your story is a fact as in it happened, but it is still an argument based on emotion.

So, you have had zero experience with pregnancy, adoption, or abortion.

My Ex was adopted. I had intention of adopting, but illness prevented it. I did have a teen foster child. I am currently raising my younger grandson because his daddy died of Cancer.

My LIFE - - Not Story - - is fact by decisions made. Decisions made with real reasoning.

If anyone is basing posting in this thread on emotion it is you and your other anti-abortion cohorts.

So as someone who has had an abortion, you have the background to tell people that women should be allowed to abort at 9 months?

And somehow this gives you the right to tell other women (who also have very emotional stories) that they may not get pregnant unless the government oks it?

These are not rational positions, as they are both extreme and contradict each other.

The fact that you have had a child and abortion and I have not does nothing to change the fact this fact.

If you don't believe me, start a thread that says "I feel women should be able to have nine month term abortions, and I also believe that only women selected by the government should be allowed to get pregnant" and see if you can get even one person to agree with you.

a reply to: Grambler

I made LIFE decisions - - my way.

You are basing all your arguments on emotions.

There's nothing else to say.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Grambler

I made LIFE decisions - - my way.

You are basing all your arguments on emotions.

There's nothing else to say.

No one is saying you made the wrong decision.

I am saying your theories of allowing 9 month term abortions and women having to be selected by the government in order to get pregnant are disturbing and contradictory.

originally posted by: Grambler


So your argument is then that everything is selfish.

I see a homeless man, I give him $10, thats selfish.

I see a homeless man. I kill him, thats selfish.

No difference between the two, right?

Well, I guess that means she (Annee) doesn't give a cent to charity "because it's selfish" she "would be doing it for her" and not for those who need help hence why she probably doesn't do it.

a reply to: Annee

I did admit honestly, that my decision was based on emotional bias and life experiences. Those personal life experiences Whether mine or others, help shape my opinions, the same as you.

I have to agree with Grambler that your extreme views seem to contradict you are making your decisions without any emotional bias. Most life decisions and perspectives are created from an emotional stance. Yes, even choosing to abort, will be based on emotions for oneself or emotional fear of the unknown.

Even earlier, you noted that you thought it was a terrible idea that a woman should have an ultrasound. One logically would have to realize that it is tough to tell oneself that it is a parasitic growth if it is midterm fetus. Thus, you think it is better to allow a woman to make such a personal decision based solely on inaccurate details? My personal opinion is that if the woman does so before 8-9 weeks...it will be much easier physically and psychologically. So I am not completely anti-abortion, perhaps I am more accurately anti-BS!

Edit add: As to this OP, the nun is correct that we do need to focus on assisting young mothers and their children and make it less complicated adoption processes before any real laws can be changed.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Grambler

I made LIFE decisions - - my way.

You are basing all your arguments on emotions.

There's nothing else to say.

No one is saying you made the wrong decision.

I am saying your theories of allowing 9 month term abortions and women having to be selected by the government in order to get pregnant are disturbing and contradictory.

A woman's body cannot be legislate! Its not fair that everything is always 100% on the woman,...therefore I want both sexes to be regulated by the Govt,....very rational, not emotional at all.....ROFLMAO

originally posted by: CynConcepts

I have to agree with Grambler that your extreme views seem to contradict you are making your decisions without any emotional bias.

What Extreme Views?

That says more about you, then me.

Both of my Brothers are adopted.

www.numberofabortions.com...

People are unaware the numbers of killings that go on. Let that sink in .....

Notice the next to last number.......