First Real Crisis for Trump: Russia Attacked Ukraine

Doesn't sound like a crisis at all. Sounds like a Ukraine problem.

a reply to: Butterfinger

This has nothing to do with Trump or America, rather more so the knowledge that the US will likely not do anything about it.

It is now Trump who will decide how the United States will respond. You seem to think he is weak or a Russian puppet.

Its none of our business! Ukraine has bee owned by Poland Russia, almost everyone over there, yet all have been under Russian rule.

It is our business because we made an agreement with the other nuclear powers to protect them. Our failure to do so is making our formal allies nervous.

One of the reasons people don't like America is because we get involved where we aren't wanted.

Another reason why people don't like America is because we don't get involved where we are wanted.

Trump won because America agrees.

The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump.

originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
Doesn't sound like a crisis at all. Sounds like a Ukraine problem.

Who cares if some Archduke got shot in some tiny Austro-Hungarian town?

There are millions of Russian citizens in Crimea. There are 0 Ukrainian citizens in Crimea. The only way to have Crimea back in Ukraine now is a full fledged war with Russia. Not gonna happen.

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
Would you be saying the same thing if Clinton was president?

The reality is that Obama had a very good foreign policy. Despite Putin's repeated attempts of trying to grab more of Europe, Obama stopped him and also saved lives.

Now that Obama is not president, 8 Ukrainians died today from Russian hostilities and you know Putin is going to put the pressure on Ukraine now that Obama is not there.

Trump will most likely give Putin a call and ask him to stop for Trump's sake. Putin will just tell him to STFU and continue to grab that land. Checkmate right wingers.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
Let's see, the end of the human race or let the Russians have the Ukraine. Hmmmmm, what to do????

Boo hoo. If that's the case Russia should've attacked us the instant "pro American" rebels started # in Syria.

I would have believed this post if it was titled "Russia conquers Ukraine", because if they actually did attack the Ukraine it would be over in about a day.

God, you Dem supporters just never give up with the nonsense do you?

a reply to: Fools

Russians cannot annex Ukraine. Unlike Crimea which is majority ethnic Russians who are pro Russia, Ukraine is majority ethnic Ukrainians. Heck, even the US suffered heavy losses in Iraq. If Russians try to annex Ukraine, there would be fearsome resistance from ethnic Ukrainians who would be armed with western arms from Germany, France, Britain, America, Sweden. Ukraine has huge population, about a third of Russia's population. Russian army would be decimated by insurgency and Russia would be vulnerable to an invasion by Europe and Japan. Putin ain't that stupid.

a reply to: aseasyas123

"Putin ain't that stupid."

Exactly.

Regardless, in military victory terms, not insurgent terms, the war would be over in about a day. Maybe 2 days tops. The Ukraine is definitely not prepared for a regular military fight with Russia.

a reply to: Fools

Russia would not be able to take Ukraine. If Russian army crosses the border, you would see tens of thousands of TOW and Hellfire and Javelin and HOT and MILAN missiles delivered to the Ukrainian army. Thousands of Russian tanks would be wasted. Russia would then be vulnerable to invasion by Europe and Japan.

a reply to: Fools

The Ukraine is definitely not prepared for a regular military fight with Russia.

Considering the trouble Russia had in Georgia I think you're definitely overestimating the Russian military. Let's not also forget that a large part of the Russian military is green. The Ukrainian military on the other hand has been fighting a war for almost three years. There's probably very few left that haven't seen combat. That alone gives the Ukrainians a huge advantage.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I think you have no idea what you are talking about.

The Russian army has proven incapable in the Syria theater, where despite deploying heavy bombers such as Tu-22M3 and Tu-95MS and Tu-160 and working in conjunction with Syrian and Iraqi and Lebanese proxies, it has not been able to take down Islamic State.

Ukraine is a whole different ballgame. Ukraine used to be the 2nd most powerful republic in the USSR. It has huge population and very strong nationalism.

Even if Russia invades Ukraine, Putin would lose much public support from losses and would lose his presidency.

The Russian army has proven incapable in the Syria theater, where despite deploying heavy bombers such as Tu-22M3 and Tu-95MS and Tu-160 and working in conjunction with Syrian and Iraqi and Lebanese proxies, it has not been able to take down Islamic State.

Ukraine is a whole different ballgame. Ukraine used to be the 2nd most powerful republic in the USSR. It has huge population and very strong nationalism.

Even if Russia invades Ukraine, Putin would lose much public support from losses and would lose his presidency.

a reply to: aseasyas123

But but according to Clinton they were about to take over the whole world? Which one is it guys? Are they weak and worthless or THE ultimate threat to America?

I mean if they can't take out the Ukraine then how are they a threat to the United States?

Go ahead and have your cake and eat it too.

a reply to: Fools

Currently almost a third of the military is composed of conscripts. These conscripts only serve a year and that includes their training. So at best a third of the military is fresh out of training. More realistically though a significant portion of the Russian military are still in training. Those guys aren't going to be very effective against a military that has been fighting a war for the past three years.

And of course that doesn't even take equipment into consideration. If Russia made an overt aggressive move against Ukraine they would immediately find themselves supplied with Western made military tech. Russia on the other hand is having trouble keeping their birds in the air.

Now, if Putin really wanted Ukraine he could definitely overpower it with sheer manpower. Russia's active military is just shy of 1 million while Ukraine's numbers around 160,000. That said Ukraine does have about 1 million in active reserve. So if Putin really wanted Ukraine he could probably take it. It wouldn't be a quick affair though and it would definitely be bloody for both sides.

a reply to: Fools

The Russian army fights tooth and nail if any country invades Russia. Napoleon and Hitler both suffered irreplaceable losses in their invasions of Russia and ultimately lost their lives.

Poroshenko by now has approval dropped to below 7%, the lowest of any Ukrainian president ever. Yanukovych is in Moscow. Who's to say, in a future election, Yanukovych won't be elected president in Ukraine if things in Ukraine get too bad.

www.gallup.com...

a reply to: aseasyas123

Considering Yanukovych stole billions from the Ukrainian people I don't think he'll be welcomed back anytime soon.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

There's no proof he did. And even if he did, which Ukrainian president doesn't? Ukraine is a unitary state where the president has all the power. Every governor is appointed, not elected. There is nothing but corruption in Ukraine. It's not an EU country. It's not a NATO country. For that very reason.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Is the OP some form of propagandist?

The article he lists explicitly says the Kiev Regime Forces attacked the Rebels, and the OP puts a title saying "Russia attacked Ukraine"

?????

How dishonest. Absolutely shameful display, OP.

The answer to that is a very clear Yes but ATS knows this already about him.