Most claims about Trump’s visa Executive Order are false or misleading

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Well, in the midst of your pessimism, he is working with S.A. on a fix.

“The President requested and the King agreed to support safe zones in Syria and Yemen, as well as supporting other ideas to help the many refugees who are displaced by the ongoing conflicts,” a White House readout of the call said.

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I don't absolve SA of anything as I've see non partisan evidence to support that they are behind plenty.

I think SA is dirty, and due to cash, a whole bunch of people are covering them, Trump included, ban Saudi travelers to the US, lets see how far that goes. Trump bottoms for anyone that has the cash.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Well, in the midst of your pessimism, he is working with S.A. on a fix.

“The President requested and the King agreed to support safe zones in Syria and Yemen, as well as supporting other ideas to help the many refugees who are displaced by the ongoing conflicts,” a White House readout of the call said.

nypost.com...

I don't absolve SA of anything as I've see non partisan evidence to support that they are behind plenty.

I think SA is dirty, and due to cash, a whole bunch of people are covering them, Trump included, ban Saudi travelers to the US, lets see how far that goes. Trump bottoms for anyone that has the cash.

At this point and given the history of the US over the past almost 30 years, that is a fantasy.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Do you have a clue what Puerotrrico is in references to the US? is a commonwealth.

So that will be impossible. Only congress can release PR from his status.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Well, in the midst of your pessimism, he is working with S.A. on a fix.

“The President requested and the King agreed to support safe zones in Syria and Yemen, as well as supporting other ideas to help the many refugees who are displaced by the ongoing conflicts,” a White House readout of the call said.

nypost.com...

I don't absolve SA of anything as I've see non partisan evidence to support that they are behind plenty.

I think SA is dirty, and due to cash, a whole bunch of people are covering them, Trump included, ban Saudi travelers to the US, lets see how far that goes. Trump bottoms for anyone that has the cash.

At this point and given the history of the US over the past almost 30 years, that is a fantasy.

Which part is a fantasy, that Saudi travelers will be banned, or that Trump bottoms for them?

a reply to: BubbaJoe

That anything...will be done about or in defiance of S.A.

a reply to: JinMI

I agree, I can no imagine the end result if Trump decides that is not need for new immigration laws because the ones in the books are enough to do what is needed for the safety of the US.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

The same way I can say that it is not a ban on Muslims, it doesnt apply to dual nationals, its only in effect for 90 days and 120 days for refugees and that the EO is not illegal nor unconstitutional.

Ignoring facts that dont support your view by trying to hide it behind an "op ed" argument doesnt work.

originally posted by: UKTruth
Its an information war. Liberal media fake news vs. the govt. The media have become the opposition party in place of the failed Democrat party.
I think many people are seeing through the propaganda these days.

Exactly . Factual Content Minus the " Spin " is All the Public is Interested in , the rest is Filler for a Word Count........

you know what, i think i changed my mind... i wouldnt mind seeing the Donald's tax return... just a couple of line items thats all. out of pure curiosity.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe
He signed an EO discriminating against Muslims, how does this not violate the constitution, Muslims fighting is like Methodists and Baptists warring in our streets. He violated the first amendment, impeach him tomorrow.

It does not violate the Constitution because the Constitution does not apply to any and every person worldwide. And I am confident the governments of these seven nations would absolutely agree.

Haven't terrorists said they'd try to get members mixed in with refugees?

I would say that when you hear that in some regions, they believe at 80% levels of the population, in death penalty for apostasy.... when you hear that, you know, that is not moderate, that is not rational. Those are the words of someone deranged by cult brainwashing. Someone who is in favor of butchering innocents(including their own family and, iirc, their own children) for using reason and questioning questionable beliefs. Such an unstable and mentally harmed individual, are potential terrorists, and are simply in need of help. IF we had the military force, and therapist force, occupation and prolonged therapy would be in order for some nations.

With the power of the fires of truth, we may get the possibility of artificial professionals, and the manufacturing machinery for unlimited automated workforce,including both therapists and military. So we may one day have the means to help them.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FelisOrion

Are Muslims persecuted in Muslim dominate nations?

Yes, if you are Sunni Muslim and the majority are Shia or vice versa. You would probably know this has been an ongoing issue in various middle east countries wouldn't you?

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FelisOrion

Are Muslims persecuted in Muslim dominate nations?

Yes, if you are Sunni Muslim and the majority are Shia or vice versa. You would probably know this has been an ongoing issue in various middle east countries wouldn't you?

Sure and those people would qualify as refugees is my point.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Now that the media frenzy is dying down the Truth comes forward, from the 120 or so that were detained from the thousands that comes daily from Muslim countries were screened and released green card holders had no problems.

Now the paid protesters are still inundating the airports interrupting travel when is the states going to gather them and put them in jail I thought that is a federal offense to interrupt airport travel.

There is a postponement of entry from 7 countries (Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen) previously identified by the Obama administration as posing extraordinary risks. That they are 7 majority Muslim countries does not mean there is a Muslim ban, as most of the countries with the largest Muslim populations are not on the list (e.g., Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Nigeria and more).

They should be on that list with the Addition of Saudi Arabia, and the rest of the 'friends' of Syria.

Shouldn't be surprising to anyone the media is lying.

Shouldn't be surprising Trump has been cast as the villain in this little story.

With friends like that WHO needs enemies?

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FelisOrion

Are Muslims persecuted in Muslim dominate nations?

Yes, if you are Sunni Muslim and the majority are Shia or vice versa. You would probably know this has been an ongoing issue in various middle east countries wouldn't you?

Sure and those people would qualify as refugees is my point.

Was it your point? Sorry, I thought your point was that Muslims wouldn't be persecuted for being Muslim in a country that was predominantly Muslim?

Whatever the claims and counter claims may be, and how 'true' they are, it's hard to see anything other than this was a rash, populist EO that didn't really consider its implications. On the day of signing it affected green card holders apparently, on the day after it didn't for example. That kind of confusion would have been avoided with just a little bit more thought and discussion with the appropriate people.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Well, that's a bit sensationalist isn't it? Define "most Americans." Can you quantify that? Or is that just sensationalist jargon to make it seem like anyone would be crazy to doubt you? His polling numbers seem to suggest otherwise... at least if you look at the ones whose posted methodology considers equal sampling.

Very nice post...allow me to supply the Cliff Notes: The Left Lies About Trump's Executive Order!

Big f-ing surprise!

a reply to: Xcathdra


Yes indeed. These folk forget what sort of media crap storm Trump and his voters went through before. This crap isnt going to work.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

We need to hear it though.....every time they do it from now on.