Disruptive Change - Humans Need Not Apply.

originally posted by: rickymouse
All they have to do is make our immune system dependent on some medicines to work and then remove the medicine.

"They" have already done that.
Diabetes comes to mind.

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: AMPTAH


And if you're thinking the corporations need the lower and middle-class consumer markets, think again. They do not. Just 1% of the population can keep the global economy going and thriving. Looks to me like the plan involves turfing 90% of the planet's poorest people to the sidelines and relying on the top 10% to keep things going.

Q: Can the global economy thrive with only 10% (750 million) of the world’s current population of 7.5 billion purchasing, participating and contributing?

A: It already does, pretty much.

Q: How about 1% (75 million)?

A: I’d say so, but what do you think?



I think we need to identify and review our options realistically, and make our own choices while we still have the power to do so. The window is closing fast.

Here's what is interesting about AI tech, it will not see one group better than the other, and most likely level the playing fields.

The one's that are going to be scared #less of AI tech, is the extremely wealthy. AI will try to make things work efficiently and make things better, not hoard.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: soficrow

all I want is a robot that will do my dishes!! my son has finished his associate's degree in electrical engineering and is now going for one in robotics.. I keep bugging him to make me one...
maybe someday!!

YES!

me2.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: AMPTAH


And if you're thinking the corporations need the lower and middle-class consumer markets, think again. They do not. Just 1% of the population can keep the global economy going and thriving. Looks to me like the plan involves turfing 90% of the planet's poorest people to the sidelines and relying on the top 10% to keep things going.

Q: Can the global economy thrive with only 10% (750 million) of the world’s current population of 7.5 billion purchasing, participating and contributing?

A: It already does, pretty much.

Q: How about 1% (75 million)?

A: I’d say so, but what do you think?



I think we need to identify and review our options realistically, and make our own choices while we still have the power to do so. The window is closing fast.

Here's what is interesting about AI tech, it will not see one group better than the other, and most likely level the playing fields.

The one's that are going to be scared #less of AI tech, is the extremely wealthy. AI will try to make things work efficiently and make things better, not hoard.

Okay.

Who will the playing field be levelled for? In what spheres? In what way, exactly?

How will the uneducated poverty-stricken masses partake as 'equal' ? When they can't afford food or shelter, never mind tech?

How does AI threaten the wealthy, exactly? You think it will go all Robin Hood, take their money and give it away to the poor? ...or maybe to a few hackers playing transfer-those-funds?

......How do you see the 'masses' -the poor and displaced middle-class- surviving the transition long enough to benefit?

Do you not think the wealthy and their analysts have reviewed all the scenarios and developed contingency plans?






More later.

And the corporations who own the companies who own the robots will be much, much richer.

And the rest of us can eat cake.

a reply to: Realtruth

My questions above are not facetious or sarcastic. I'm dead serious, asking respectfully, and hoping you have answers!

a reply to: dawnstar

a reply to: soficrow

all I want is a robot that will do my dishes!! my son has finished his associate's degree in electrical engineering and is now going for one in robotics.. I keep bugging him to make me one...
maybe someday!!

Well, here's a start. Check out the vid - and note: the 'robot' (just arms, really) cooks, cleans and does the dishes.

The world's first robotic kitchen

originally posted by: soficrow

lol. I doubt it. Not one government in the world has that kind of money.

It's called the USA. Yes, that one government has that kind of money.

They are spending that kind of money right now. You just don't know it. It's in all the black projects, you never hear about.

The only way to generate the wealth needed to do it is to raise corporate taxes. A lot. Won't happen.

Wealth is just a combination of knowledge and will.

.Just 1% of the population can keep the global economy going and thriving. Looks to me like the plan involves turfing 90% of the planet's poorest people to the sidelines and relying on the top 10% to keep things going.

1% of the people create everything we have. However, you need the other 99% to form the pool of individuals from which you draw that 1%. You can't predict which individuals will invent, create, produce the next great idea, that helps humanity move forward in this path of progress. So, in fact, all 100% of the population is needed.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: soficrow

lol. I doubt it. Not one government in the world has that kind of money.

It's called the USA. Yes, that one government has that kind of money.

They are spending that kind of money right now. You just don't know it. It's in all the black projects, you never hear about.

Love your spirit and positivity btw. S&

But. You're talking about swinging policy 180 degrees. Don't see it happening. In fact, this administration likely will spend even more money on military projects, and much less on 'social' programs.

Wealth is just a combination of knowledge and will.

Sounds very "new agey." What does that mean, and how does it apply here, practically? Can you quantify it in per capita terms?

1% of the people create everything we have. However, you need the other 99% to form the pool of individuals from which you draw that 1%. You can't predict which individuals will invent, create, produce the next great idea, that helps humanity move forward in this path of progress. So, in fact, all 100% of the population is needed.

I agree, in principle at least. But I seriously doubt the 1% do. Pretty sure they would resent having to carry the other 99.9%. Maybe they'd be okay supporting a few million, or maybe even 500 million, but definitely not 6.75 billion.

PS. I absolutely do not agree that 1% of the people create everything we have. No way. No how.

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: Realtruth

My questions above are not facetious or sarcastic. I'm dead serious, asking respectfully, and hoping you have answers!

Currently humanity is greedy, corrupt, arrogant, and in denial of their MO.

If allowed AI technology/robots will do everything, thus allowing almost every facet of industry to be taken over by them.

What's left? Nothing they will repair themselves, build more to repair roads, houses, and make better and more efficient living conditions for everyone.

Money isn't needed because robots do everything and repair everything. Corporations aren't needed because robots are running industry for us. Banks, Wall street and anything that resembled that toxic wasteland would come to an end.

Our entire society is off-balance, on every level, only people with large amounts of power seem to make decisions for everyone, even the grunts.

AI technology as it progresses disables those who have hoards of money, because if everything is managed by efficient AI systems who needs a leader, or paper-pusher?

Menial jobs as well as high powered jobs will disappear, and people will most likely have time for play instead of grunt work, and trying to manage day to day things.

AI will most likely end up solving energy issues, and water problems that humans couldn't. Human's are ruled by greed, power, and have a mean streak to see it's fellow man suffer beneath them, AI will have no emotions or mean-streaks, it will act on making thing better.

People need to fear people more than AI robots, because look at where it has got us thus far. Just look at ATS and the petty mindless disagreements. AI will not have these issues, if AI has a problem it will work around it and never look back, or repeat the same mistake twice, in the name of politics, religion, or Ego.

AI will not look like the "Terminator", but more like a helpful aid in humanity to actually allow us to find ourselves.


AI will most likely find the fiat currency full of flaws and discard it. This is the type of fear the people have at the top, they are scared of a level playing field by the technology they allow to progress, on its own.

Our social structure is broken, and has been broken for 1000's of years.

Can AI screw things up more than they already are?

a reply to: Realtruth


Quick note. I know I asked, but this thread is less about the larger potential of AI (which I do find most interesting), and more about the transition we are in right now, and how societies and individuals are being and will be affected. I guess the problem I see is just making it through this transition without destroying the bulk of (lower income) humanity or our being destroyed by outside forces. Question being - how?

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: Realtruth

My questions above are not facetious or sarcastic. I'm dead serious, asking respectfully, and hoping you have answers!

Currently humanity is greedy, corrupt, arrogant, and in denial of their MO.

The financially successful psychopaths, yes, because that's what the system rewards. But not all humanity - the world is full of good, fine people, and with people who honestly try to live with honour and integrity.

If allowed AI technology/robots will do everything, thus allowing almost every facet of industry to be taken over by them.

Key word that - "allowed." Who might do the "allowing"? ...and methinks AI could take over pretty much everything, not just every facet of industry. So what values do you think might AI have, or develop? And according to what terms?



........more later

Can AI screw things up more than they already are?

Yes. Absolutely! Which means caution is required.


rl calls.

And thank you.

a reply to: Realtruth

It's much more ominous than just replacing workers.

True - but we need to recognize what's happening right now. There are no jobs because there are no more jobs.

And they are not coming back.

We need to describe (and face) the immediate reality before we can jump ahead - 'cuz big leaps tend to leave the majority behind. Not what we need to do.

originally posted by: soficrow
We need to describe (and face) the immediate reality before we can jump ahead - 'cuz big leaps tend to leave the majority behind. Not what we need to do.

The answer is universal health, education and salary.

It is the system that has been put in place bit by bit. The only ones opposing it are the people who think they work to support others. Automation strikes that argument down.

a reply to: daskakik

The answer is universal health, education and salary.

It is the system that has been put in place bit by bit. The only ones opposing it are the people who think they work to support others. Automation strikes that argument down.

Can you expand on that a bit?

a reply to: soficrow

Seems like there are a group of people always complaining about those who don't work and get free stuff. They are locked into the idea that an honest days pay for an honest days work is the only way things should work.

What is being described in the OP is the availability of work being removed. How do you earn an honest days pay if there is no work to do? The idea becomes inaplicable to the situation.

The way the system I described has been/is being put in place? Universal education = public schools. Universal health, at least in the US means going to any ER and being taken care of. Not the best service but everyone is taken care of. Low salary workers who qualify for government aid seems to be increasing.

I'd say that instead of forcing everyone to accept it they are letting people slip into the need and allowing the acceptance of these programs grow so that as time goes by it will be seen as normal by younger generations while those that are against it die off.

a reply to: daskakik

Yes - jobs are disappearing fast, and yes, many people believe people who don't work don't deserve what they don't get - and maybe even deserve to be sent to some camp or another.

That said, here's a today's update on some new AI / new tech initiatives, which will affect some of our jobs, and how we live..

Apple joins Amazon, Facebook, Google, IBM and Microsoft in AI initiative

* Apple joins with other tech giants in the Partnership on AI to Benefit People and Society to help steer the direction of artificial intelligence research.

* With the absence of regulations in the field, the group will work toward developing standards and ethics around the development and implementation of AI.

Elon Musk: We Will Have “Full Self-Driving Capabilities” in 3 to 6 Months

Tiny backpack puts dragonflies under remote control

.....why reinvent the wheel when nature has already done the hard work? Now, researchers from the Charles Stark Draper Laboratory and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) have developed a system that a living dragonfly can wear like a backpack, allowing engineers to steer it remotely to deliver payloads, conduct reconnaissance and even guide pollination.

Genetically Modified Cells Just Cured Two Babies of Leukemia

a reply to: soficrow

I try to imagine a world without money, and everything taken care of for us by automation. Some would turn into couch potatoes for sure, but what about those who aren't ok with that. People always want some sort of betterment or difference, so how would that look? Maybe a system where you're "paid" based on your betterment of humanity, or your art, or on research? I think sports would be outrageous, and would probably be a major part of it.

Just trying to see the positive side. I realize control would need to be wrested from the cold dead hands of the elites, or there would need to be some sort of global awakening for there to be an equitable future. But a guy can dream.

This is the best thread about the subject on this forum so far. I think that this should be the most important subject in the world right now but unfortunately less than 10% people are aware of real magnitude of the problem from my experience... I've been trying to spread awareness about this subject for quite some time but I sadly realized that people are not very interested for this subject. They will be probably when they lose their jobs but than it will be too late. It shows me that selfishness is going to destroy our species... Technology is going to destroy us because we obviously are not ready for it.

a reply to: alomaha

Thank you.

RE:

...Technology is going to destroy us because we obviously are not ready for it.

Agreed that most people are not ready to consider even the immediate impacts.

a reply to: AMPTAH

So, everyone will get a "basic income allowance", granted from birth to death. This income will be calculated to meet the needs of food, clothes, and housing, for each individual. With this money, the individual will be able to choose what foods, clothes, etc.. he wants to buy. ...

So, there will be a "floor" for everybody. That financial floor will enable all to live well enough to not have to work. Those desiring more will have to be creative, or get that type of education that helps with the robot industry.

I'm not so sure about that. Our world's financial leaders are NOT on board with the idea of a Universal Basic Income.

Everybody will be required to enroll in continuing education. Those with the highest and most degrees will be elevated on a point system that will enable them to be selected for ruling committees, and policy making boards of various kinds.

The smartest people will be the rulers, instead of the weirdest psychopaths of today.

Depends how you define 'smartest' - so not so sure about this one either. Copied the following to send to a friend, but didn't file the source. Think it was the WEF but not sure. Sorry.

On average, by 2020, more than a third of the desired core skill sets of most occupations will be comprised of skills that are not yet considered crucial to the job today, according to our respondents. Overall, social skills— such as persuasion, emotional intelligence and teaching others—will be in higher demand across industries than narrow technical skills, such as programming or equipment operation and control. In essence, technical skills will need to be supplemented with strong social and collaboration skills.