Former State Department officials say high-level resignations are 'a huge blow'

originally posted by: Orwells Ghost
Forgive my ignorance, are these folks bureaucrats or diplomats?

Worse.

They are both.

Huh, the swamp is draining itself... go figure.

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: 727Sky

I doubt you believe that!

Seriously, getting rid of a few 'obstructionists' is normal and expected. But not the whole lot! ...These people have knowledge and skills that are absolutely needed to run the country.

Do you honestly think a bunch of noobies can take over without making an impossible mess?

The departures were discussed at State Department Thursday morning meetings and a statement said all politically-appointed officers were asked to submit letters of resignation by the outgoing administration of Democrat Barack Obama in coordination with Trump's.

"Of the officers whose resignations were accepted, some will continue in the Foreign Service in other positions and others will retire by choice or because they have exceeded the time limits of their grade in service," said a statement by acting State Department spokesman Mark Toner.

Among those whom Reuters has confirmed are leaving, are Gregory Starr, Assistant Secretary for State for Diplomatic Security and Michele Bond, Assistant Secretary for Consular Affairs.

Thomas Countryman, the acting undersecretary for arms control and international security, was asked to leave by Friday, U.S. officials said, as was Patrick Kennedy, under secretary of state for management.

"This is not unusual, it's not a mass protest or a show of indignation," said one senior U.S. official.

Some of those asked to leave by Friday at 5 p.m. were prepared to stay on "and do their jobs" until replacements were confirmed, said one of the U.S. officials.

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Oh for the love of.....
beating the drama drum again? READ your own thread, four people plus a handful is NOT a crisis.

There is actually no one anywhere in their jobs who aren't replaceable and usually procedures are in place to provide a smooth transition. Should you see an actual exodus anywhere in government it's your clue the rats are abandoning ship and we'll be better off with someone who WANTS TO WORK.

It's a political doom porn hit piece. That is all. And, if the Obitties are concerned, then perhaps their highness shouldn't have asked for all their resignations before he left office? Was that thinking of you folks or the stabiltiy of the country? Was that a smart thing to do? Or was it more akin to trashing the hotel room before you leave it for someone else to pay for the tab?

a reply to: xuenchen

lol

You know, maybe they are trying to distract us and get out before the new administration finds how many things they hid.

Remember, Hillary did do things that were not right, and they probably only caught a fraction of them. They can't get fired if they resign.

a reply to: soficrow

Agreed, but Pat Kennedy who has been in the State Department since 1973 almost certainly is ready to retire already. Again there are thousands of qualified individuals inside the State Department ready to step up, these people are qualified statesmen and will carry out the policies which are dictated from above anyhow, and many of these officials are no more than political appointees anyhow, many receiving appointments as paybacks for contributions to the respective Presidents they supported.

Many stay on as they do bring continuity in regards to relationships built over time and the individuals have agreed to stay on until replacements are named. They may not like the political landscape they see coming and wish to go home now, they shall not be missed as there are many more waiting to step up

a reply to: soficrow

This administration is losing the key people who can help them deliver their policies legally.

Something to think about...

An Interview with Stanley McChrystal

On the other hand technology empowers society to track and monitor people as never before. We are beginning an era in which our ability to leverage technology to track people and control populations is going to create a lot of tension; I think we are going to see a lot more population control measures. We are going to have to give up a lot more of our precious civil rights than most of us imagine because we want security. In other countries that haven’t had the freedom that we have, they may not notice as much, but we are entering a period where we will have to make those choices. And the choices are likely to go in the way of surrendering civil rights for security.

a reply to: Caver78

Rats, hide that post. It's more fun debating their quitting because of Trump coming in. Enough of that reality stuff on a conspiracy site, you need to bring that out after two or three days.

a reply to: Caver78

Yes, as I already posted:

State Department officials traditionally submit their resignations at the beginning of every new administration as a sign of respect, but it is largely a symbolic gesture.

...Former State Department officials and foreign policy professionals ...noted that there is typically a high degree of turnover when new administrations are installed. But they all said that the abrupt and simultaneous exodus of senior management officials was unlike anything they'd seen before.

"This is unusual because it seems to be hitting the management folks, ...

"These are the people who maintain the embassies and ensure diplomats' security around the world, vet visa applicants, et cetera" Boucher said. "They're the support apparatus the administration has to go through if they want their new policies to be delivered and implemented."

Eliot Cohen, a top official in George W. Bush's State Department and a professor at Johns Hopkins University, told Business Insider that he had "never heard of anything like this before."

And don't forget, "These are all people, including Pat Kennedy, who long served with distinction for both Republicans and Democrats."

originally posted by: 727Sky
I used to have a list of people with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood that were then installed into various branches of the government.

I can back that up. Seen it with my very own eyes.

originally posted by: Puppylove
Huh, the swamp is draining itself... go figure.

The winning just won't stop.

lol

Seems like the truth has to come out in every article somewhere . Some folks stop at Trump's fault
From the OP's posted link

Hillary Clinton's legacy
There was a perception, some say, that the officials who resigned were somehow "tainted" by their association with Hillary Clinton's State Department.

Swamp draining in progress.

Just as promised.

Good riddance, deep state traitors.

a reply to: rickymouse

I DIDN'T KNOW......long agonizing wail!

Ok....let the drama continue, my apologies.

originally posted by: xuenchen

I doubt the Trump Admin would trust anybody high level in any left over administration position without a full vetting.

Cheers! At last you almost got one thing right, Trump trusts nobody, lefty or righty.
Anyway, as DJMSN rightly pointed out, the protocol is for political appointees to tender resignations. That means then that the protocol is for the outgoing President to tell said appointees to do just that.
But just to be clear, that doesn't mean that they cannot resign of their own accord, and at least one did that a while ago, once Trump became president.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Orwells Ghost
Forgive my ignorance, are these folks bureaucrats or diplomats?

Worse.

They are both.

Well *@*%! My hope was that this was just a case of partisan diplomats having a hissy-fit. As long as the pencil pushers were still around to keep everything running that wouldn't be a real problem. So I guess my question now is, who is answering the phones at the State Department?

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: Caver78

Yes, as I already posted:

State Department officials traditionally submit their resignations at the beginning of every new administration as a sign of respect, but it is largely a symbolic gesture.

...Former State Department officials and foreign policy professionals ...noted that there is typically a high degree of turnover when new administrations are installed. But they all said that the abrupt and simultaneous exodus of senior management officials was unlike anything they'd seen before.

"This is unusual because it seems to be hitting the management folks, ...

"These are the people who maintain the embassies and ensure diplomats' security around the world, vet visa applicants, et cetera" Boucher said. "They're the support apparatus the administration has to go through if they want their new policies to be delivered and implemented."

Eliot Cohen, a top official in George W. Bush's State Department and a professor at Johns Hopkins University, told Business Insider that he had "never heard of anything like this before."

And don't forget, "These are all people, including Pat Kennedy, who long served with distinction for both Republicans and Democrats."

Four people....4....
Just four out of how many employees at the State Dept? That was more my point.
still....apologies for ruining all the fun.

originally posted by: Gothmog
Seems like the truth has to come out in every article somewhere . Some folks stop at Trump's fault
From the OP's posted link

Hillary Clinton's legacy
There was a perception, some say, that the officials who resigned were somehow "tainted" by their association with Hillary Clinton's State Department.

As stated earlier:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: soficrow

From a different thread.

Regardless of whether they resigned or were fired, do you think maybe, this has something to do with it?
Bureaucrats Bring 500 Refugees Into Country One Day Before Trump’s Expected Ban
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(Breitbart) – Bureaucrats at the State Department brought 500 refugees into the country on Tuesday, one day before President Trump “is expected to order a multi-month ban on allowing refugees into the United States except for religious minorities escaping persecution, until more aggressive vetting is in place,” according to Reuters.

State Department resettles 500 refugees in last 24 hours as Dems delay Rex Tillerson confirmation
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I also suspect the Dems. knew this was going to happen and was the very reason they delayed Tillerson's confirmation.

www.abovetopsecret.com...