4 Billion divided by 12,000 = 333,333.333,333

My second attempt at a thread became necessary because of a dream I had last night. When I woke up, I had this thought that came to mind immediately regarding the absurdity of the current civilization being considered to be the only one where humans have existed in the history of this planet.

This sent me to my current existential thinking process. It starts with that 4 billion number and continues to beyond the dinosaur age.

Here is how it played out in my mind, of course, it will not end there, I just haven't completed the process yet.

This is the beginning and middle:

More existential thinking, for instance chew on this today.

The Earth is 4 billion years old.

The civilization we are living in currently has existed for 12,000 years supposedly, that means that there could have existed 333,333 possible other civilizations before us.

Laws of probability suggest that there were at least some other intelligent life on this planet, even if you just take 1%, heck just 1/2 %.

The amount of pole flips and displacement of water have buried many of them, but there are inklings and evidence to suggest this is entirely likely and true.

Millions of miles of ocean never explored, earthquakes that have demolished and covered, huge gaping holes where there once stood great cities, civilizations that have disappeared without a trace with myths of Atlantis, Lemuria and MU.

All religions and cultures with stories of a great flood, and that is only in our recent history, recent being the past 12000 years.

Dinosaurs lived for millions of years, where the hell did they come from?

Even that only accounts for 350 million out of 4 billion.

Most species of animal on this planet have a direct correlation to dinosaurs except humans.

Before dinosaurs existed, what if there was a civilization where they annihilated themselves with nuclear weapons and the animals that survived became dinosaurs due to radiation exposure and the humans became giants?

This is where I stopped because I have some other humanly things that require my attention at the moment.

Food for thought and I await your input.

a reply to: sweetypie215

Dinosaurs lived for millions of years, where the hell did they come from?

They evolved from plankton and single-celled organisms over billions of years. Just like us.

To everything else: Uh, what?

a reply to: sweetypie215

Well add 600 million years for the earth to become habitable to the 350 million for the dinosaurs. Still have over 3 billion years to account for though. How many million years did it take to go from a simple organism to us though? That could account for most of the time.

Forty million to 600 million years after the solar system formed, Earth had water and a crust, and was ready for life. We know this because geologists have found rocks that are 4.3 billion years old and include minerals that required abundant water to form. It appears, then, that the answer to the question, "When and how did our planet become conducive to life?" is "very early, and we still have much to learn."

a reply to: sweetypie215

I like your imaginative supposing. The next venture would be to suppose that some of those life forms developed space travel--perhaps via a far simpler manner than what we currently envision and they left the planet for some reason...and you can finish the narrative.

a reply to: sweetypie215

First of all... the planet Earth has existed for 4.543 Billion years. During the period between 4.4 Billion and 4 Billion years ago, the crust solidified. For quite some time, there was not the oxygen necessary to sustain mammalian life, not even the earliest forms of it, and those critters only appear in the fossil record a mere 13 million years back. Between the crusts solidification, and the arrival of the earliest mammals in the fossil record, there exists a three billion nine hundred eighty-seven million year gap, during which the atmosphere was oxygenated, as well as many other necessary changes coming about, which in combination produced the environment necessary for the eventual and gradual arrival of things more complicated than the slime from which life on this planet originated. So in actual fact, you would be entirely mistaken to use the mathematical model you are using to establish how many human civilisations have come about on this world.

For a great deal of time, this planet was not inhabitable by anything more complicated than bacteria or something like them, after all.

The oldest skeleton of an ancestor to the modern human is 3.67 million years old, or thereabouts. The idea that civilisation is this thing that only came about 12,000 years or so back though IS frankly hilarious, given that time scale.

The word civilisation is defined in the following terms:

The stage of human social development and organization which is considered most advanced.

So, taken one way, only the age in which we live is civilised. But, taken another way, the first homnids to be different from the apes were a civilisation, since they represented the stage of social development and organisation was the most advanced at the time. The first humans to use simple tools were the most advanced at the time, and so on, and so forth. But there is no need for the age of the planet to factor into your mathematics. Nor need the age of the oldest mammal to be factored in, but instead the oldest ancestor skeleton, the oldest hominin skeleton (not to be confused with hominid or homo skeleton). So actually, you only need to be thinking about a time scale of 3.67 million years or so, rather than the 4.543 BILLION that the Earth has existed for.

a reply to: sweetypie215

Great minds think alike I suppose...

Have we done this all Before and Before and Before...?

Although, I think my math was a little different than yours... and of course this was 7 years ago that I posted this (was my first actual post).

a reply to: sweetypie215

I'm with ya. The whole notion that we're the first real civilization is nothing short of absurd.
This is done intentionally though for hidden agendas. "Mainstream historians" merely regurgitate accounts that were tainted to begin with.

Anthropologists usually have a better idea, but still get labelled as "fringe" the second they even mention Atlantis or Lemuria. ( neither of which were myths IMO. )

This topic is vast, full of mystery, and often looked at as insignificant in comparison to our modern day struggles with society, politics, etc., yet our origins are of great importance. Especially because our current civilization believes we've never been as advanced as we are now. Naive BS.

Personally, I've always loved the works of Robert Sepehr, Michael Tsarion, Graham Hancock and David Wilcock just to name a few. Just typing those names is sure to trigger a few to shout "disinfo agent!" or "fraud!". But that's what discernment's all about. Use your intuition. And also don't be afraid to call out the skeptics who say "it's been debunked many times" as a knee jerk reaction, because more often than not, their debunking claim is based on crap.

Some very interesting things are happening in Antarctica right now as well which may shed quite a bit of light on ancient human history. Pay attention.

It has always bothered me about the supposed timeline of modern man. I don't know enough to be going into hominids or hominins, but think of what they say is the established thinking of our ancestors. They say we are descended from a female from South Africa called Lucy. Now think very carefully on this. Just who did Lucy mate with? It must have been a male who was "different" to come up with a genetic change. Ok, that's the easy bit.
Now who did the children of Lucy mate with?
We have been very, very lucky to have found Lucy but where is the evidence of Lucy s offspring?
The in between evidence suddenly jumps to the Middle East, with a few findings in China, Germany and Flores.
Until recently historians could not get past the last ice age, melting around 10,000 years ago (just the right time for all the flood myths) till fossils were found that dated way past that date.
There was more than enough time for other civilizations to flourish before the last ice age, probably not as far advanced as modern man, but civilized non the less.
Some of these are just being found, like off the coast of India, under water. This civilization I believe flourished before the ice age and the resulting flood from the ice age melt raised the oceanic level and inundated the cities forcing the inhabitants to "start again". And who knows what's buried under the sands of North Africa?

Mostly correct it would seem but, mammals have been around alot longer than 13 million years. We were scampering around and hiding from the dinosaurs. reply to: TrueBrit

a reply to: TrueBrit

Mammals have been around for 210 million years... where did you get 13 million years from? 20 million years ago there were complex mammals such as this aquatic marine bear.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: sweetypie215

I'm with ya. The whole notion that we're the first real civilization is nothing short of absurd.

Of course it is. The first "real" civilization we know of was in Sumer. "We" are not Sumerians.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeedAnthropologists usually have a better idea, but still get labelled as "fringe" the second they even mention Atlantis or Lemuria. ( neither of which were myths IMO. )

Quite so. Neither was or is a myth. Lemuria was a term coined to describe a supposed ancient land bridge between Madagascar and mainland Asia - a way to explain the presence of lemur fossils in Asia. Turned out to be wrong, though, and was supplanted by plate tectonics, which we know for certain is real (we can and have measured the movements of the continental plates.) There exists no "myth" of Lemuria, nor has any such myth ever existed in any culture.

Similarly, there isn't (and never was) any Atlantis myth. It was made up by Plato in his allegorical dialogues as an example of what he felt Athens was coming to. There is no ancient myth about it, or any ancient myth that is even similar to it.


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The life we have today could not exist for most of earths life. We are the product of living organisms that fine tuned itself based on the optimal conditions.

Evolution doesn't NEED or HAS to change for the better, extinctions happen and is a large part of evolution, there have been hundreds of mass extinctions, killing off weak links, and allowing others to survive and thrive, but they may have not made it out of the next up and coming extinction.

You have to remember, our genetic lineage started back with the Cambrian explosion. Before that life was just nothing more than single celled organisms.
We know this because of geology. And the fact that the Cambrian explosion was 500 or so million years. it took that long for something like us to develop, meaning evolution happens extremely slowly.
The earth would have had only 3 other chance to evolve complex life. But Oxygen wasn't really a 'thing' till around 2.4 billion years ago.

I am sure there was some sort of intelligent life before us, but not to the extent we are, considering WE are the cause of the next and ongoing mass extinction, whereas before it was the earth just changing rapidly. And we have evolved mentally and technologically so fast in less than 20000 years, just wrap your mind around how fast we have developed compared to say Dinosaurs.

a reply to: sweetypie215

Just a thought but should this thread not be in the Dreams and Predictions forum where it belongs.

originally posted by: sweetypie215
The civilization we are living in currently has existed for 12,000 years supposedly, that means that there could have existed 333,333 possible other civilizations before us.

Your model doesn't work. Even in ancient times we have multiple civilizations living alongside each other (Sumerian, Indus Valley, Egyptian -- and so forth.)

Also, I'm afraid you are mixing the idea of "culture" with "civilization." One of the tests of a civilization is that the groups live in cities and have some sort of agriculture to support cities. Humans living in large groups (but mobile) are called "cultures." There are cultures much older than 12,000 years.

Laws of probability suggest that there were at least some other intelligent life on this planet, even if you just take 1%, heck just 1/2 %.

...and you haven't defined "intelligent."

The amount of pole flips and displacement of water have buried many of them, but there are inklings and evidence to suggest this is entirely likely and true.

The pole flip is an electromagnetic one (such as the sun has done regularly during your lifetime (the last time in 2014)

No walls of water.

All religions and cultures with stories of a great flood, and that is only in our recent history, recent being the past 12000 years.

Not true. There are many cultures sand religions without a flood myth... and some which have one only after Christian missionaries arrived.

Most species of animal on this planet have a direct correlation to dinosaurs except humans.

Birds are the only type of animal related to dinosaurs (you seem to confuse species as Family (or Order))

Before dinosaurs existed, what if there was a civilization where they annihilated themselves with nuclear weapons and the animals that survived became dinosaurs due to radiation exposure and the humans became giants?

The famous ones were big but there were lots of small ones. And radiation generally just kills things. The "giants from radiation" is a meme from bad 1950's sci-fi movies.

Well actually,

4,000,000,000 ÷ 1200 = 3333333.3333333

Count the number threes. Ancient Aliens confirmed.

a reply to: TheLotLizard

My sincerest apologies for the inaccuracy there.

The point, however, is that civilisation has only been possible for a relatively brief period, when compared with the total length of time for which the planet it dwelt upon has existed.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: sweetypie215

Just a thought but should this thread not be in the Dreams and Predictions forum where it belongs.

Wasn't a dream or prediction, just a possible rendition of history other than what we have been taught.

There is a thought for you.

a reply to: Byrd

In your opinion. Much of what we have been taught is not feasible, either. Just because scientists and historians claim something to be factual does not make it so. All of it is conjecture and subjective.

a reply to: strongfp

You write as if everything you believe is the truth and it merely is fantastical information handed down without a shred of proof. Much like that Bible thing everyone believes.

My way is just as possible as any other.