Federal governmental agencies are using ATS and collecting data from ATS USERS!!!.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

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a reply to: DeathSlayer
I do not know enough about this kind of stuff. Not enough to form an opinion on whether your story is true or not.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
so now I know for sure..... it really did start here at ATS.

But if it is true and you have an extensive past dealing with things of a classified and secret nature. A past that extends to the present through your private investigation work. Where you said that sometimes you stumble across things you shouldn't know.

Right and wrong aside. If everything you said is true. Why did it start on ATS. With who you are and what you did/know. Isn't it just the nature of the beast. Didn't you kind of sign up for this sort of stuff.

It would be like an extremely old Indiana Jones wondering why Nazis are after him. Is it because of something he tweeted about Nazis or because in the past he took part in events that involved face melting and/or holy artifacts.

Its not like your some random person who is suddenly being gangstalked. If anything, you claim to have spent most of your life on the other side of the equation.

This is a post Snowden world.

With your past, you of all people should be aware of that. You might as well blame the internet that you used to access ATS. Or your fingers for typing whatever you think it was that triggered the current state of affairs. Or you brain for operating your fingers.

When you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change.

yeah.... no.

a reply to: Bedlam

Appreciate the info! These are older gentleman, and maybe their hearing is going, theyre paranoid, or god knows what.

I doubt they are using their private cars, I call bull# on that one.

It's more obvious now than ever...

originally posted by: DeathSlayer


It may sound weird.....demonologist.....and all but it all started to get VERY real in this spy world stuff..... MANY agents on both sides.....VERY suspicious people..... one time I met up with some agents and the tension was so high I thought any second a gun fight was going to break out..... you could see the tension and hate....

You would be surprised how many GOOD agents have MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) and SRA people. ... especially in children. Where do you think the term spook came from?

And SRA is an acronym for? You're not talking about Satanic ritual abuse are you?

Sorry man if you're in Yourope, and you're that paranoid, maybe it's just the water. Hard to think you might be a Patriot with All That Service under your belt.

Maybe just an ex-patriat.

If JHC isn't talking to you, then maybe it's time to consider talking to Him.

Your Friend Jenkinswasher.

Any proof of any of this? This is a conspiracy forum on the internet. Anyone can come on here with any claim they want and say it's real.

To put it bluntly, thus seems more like a textbook case of "chosen one" sydrome. A fervent mix of narcissism and paranoia. I mean no offense by this...simply trying to come to a more rational conclusion. The paranoia could very likely be coming from you legitimately holding onto some important information. Information can certainly cause more paranoia than harboring any tangible item of value.

Can you offer any proof at all of any of the claims you have made? You seem like an intelligent individual and surely you can see how your inability/hesitation to provide any photographic evidence seems highly suspicious and beyond convenient...even more so to anyone here who has ever posted a picture to this board and understands the ease of it. Also, the myriad of methods that would easily eliminate your metadata concerns are a quick google search away.

You're a conspiracy buff...certainly your bs sirens would be on full blast if you were reading the same stuff you are posting but it came from another member. If you truly are being followed, providing legit proof could be your greatest form of protection.

Is there any way you can help to remedy these concerns? I think it's fair to say that everyone here would like to believe you.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
Today at 1030hrs the first tail was seen. Today its the wealthy looking blonde in her white Audi, a tall man walking around the lake while photographing my wife and then the three little pigs once again at McDonalds....so now I know for sure..... it really did start here at ATS..... I'll be damned....but not for long.....

Looks like I touched a "sore spot"

OK so.....looks like story time is over and there will be NO further stories in the future ..... man I had some great ones too...

Why not just walk up to them and talk to them? Ask them why they are following you? Seems simple enough.

Why not call the police? Also, surely you could post a picture of these individuals with their faces blurred?

You sure they aren't just your neighbors and that's why u are seeing them so much?

Again, why would they beat around the bush about it and not just talk to you if they were concerned?

One thing that I have noticed over the years is that people with extradordinary claims never seem to have only one or too. People making these claims always seem to have an extraordinary amount of extradordibart claims. megalomania to be exact.

An extreme amount of importance concerning the intel community: check

Supposed level knowledge concerning a wide range of govt intel, R&D, and highly questionable occurrences that are of great intrigue to the paranormal/conspiracy community: check

Personal experience with other areas of intrigue concerning the paranormal/conspiracy community and outside of the individual's main area of "importance". (In this situation the obe experience. UFO knowledge. I'm assuming also other paranormal experiences based off the "demonologist" tag.) check

I could go on and on. The immediate accusation of anyone who thoroughly questions or counters any of your claims as being a disinformation agent or govt agent is just beyond classic as well. You should be welcoming accusations of deceit as a way to further prove your credibility by simply providing details that prove otherwise.

Your claims and your reactions to members understandable doubts feel almost like a caricature of the classic "former intel agent" guy. These type of guys always have claims that can be found in books or movies, or can't be found at all because the never happened.

The thinness of your skin alone makes your claims susipicious. Surely the intel community values emotional intelligence along with the standard forms it seeks?

One single shred of evidence. Doesn't seem like much to ask for. Bring on the disinfo agent claims....

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I am sorry but could someone summarize the meaning of this thread please I just don't get what is being discussed other than, I'm sorry, but a very juvenile mentality claiming to be involved in some g0vernment operations who speaks more cliche and directly about very caricature and imaginary aa0ects of what such programs entail in real life. And so many responding is it an inside thing? A bunch of kids needing attention online cuz not enough in person? Not trying to be rude I'm just six or seven pages into this and have not seen anything with the most remote possibility even of being legit.

a reply to: Gnobody

Can I answer your question with a story?

Quite a few years ago I was listening to Coast to Coast AM and the story was about Giants. So for two hours "on the air" this US Air officer who alleges to be a pilot that flew from Germany to Afghanistan during the war back in 2005....The guy tells a story that he and his crew were briefed on some cargo. This cargo weighed approx one ton, was placed on the largest wooden crate and put into infant position and "Catty Cornered" on crate. It was a red headed Giant. It had six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot, two sets of teeth, its feet were approx. three feet long, the giant was dead and smelled like a skunk. He flew the giant back to CONUS. HIs story is:

While waiting for his cargo plane to be loaded in (Afghan) he watched a truck with soldiers hanging on the side of the truck pull up to the plane and in the back of the truck was this dead red headed giant that stood close to fifteen feet tall. He spoke with the soldier (he thought it was SF) who told him the soldiers were clearing towns of insurgents and they came upon a town which was empty..... as they were leaving the town they saw the townspeople on their knees giving this giant a young (alive) girl to this giant as a sacrifice.... anyway..... the giant sees the soldiers and screeches so loud they had to cover their ears and then the giant turns around and runs off. Now the story goes that this giant ran so fast that all they could see was dust as it went up the mountain. They tracked the giant to a large cave where numerous human bones were pilled up... This giant was throwing large boulders weighing more than a car at the soldiers. These boulders would fly at least a hundred yards in the air. Eventually they kill the giant..... Giant flown back to CONUS......

I met this man who flew this giant out. Actually I met him more than once. I met him at Ramstein, AFB and I cannot tell you why (no spy work) ..... but we were shooting the sh#t and then he was talking about his numerous flights to Afghanistan and Iraq and for some reason I made a joke if he had flown any giants out of Afghanistan... He froze for a minute and then sent his room mate out to pick up some drinks and then he questioned me as to how I know this story and I tell him about the coast to coast broadcast and he then sits down and tells me it was him who spoke on coast to coast and his mother spoke as well. He repeats the story just like on the radio. We get onto UFO'S and he tells me about the one out off runway being stored in hangar.... I smile and tell him ...... lets take a peek .... didn't happen ..... security with guns..... actually it was SP'S sitting in a car one on each side of the hangar and a foot patrol.

See how I found out.... one subject that changed into another...

And I can tell you far a fact that this pilot was not lying.... his boss (meaning the Air Force) found out and made HAD to make a deal with this guy.....he is smart... he got to stay in and is still flying today. Damn good pilot.

EDIT LATER: I remember reading in a German newspaper and also on TV about the UFO crash ..... it was in the 80'S around the same time a large black triangle (TR3A) were spotted on the East/West German border.... that was interesting because I was there in Fulda but I did not see it live only on tape..almost started WWIII I remember seeing HIND's flying right on the border fence (act of war) like flies.... they were everywhere....

OK....If NATO and other western nations tells Russia they will not process any Russian or Eastern military person or any civilian affiliated to either the Russian and East German states but yet accepted mine..... why and why such a big deal? The information these two guys got out of Division HQ clearly showed that if was was to break out .... NATO would be pushed back all the way to the English channel within days....

I was told I would have been awarded a medal had I not fu'kd up..... and followed orders..... that would have meant to leave two family with cats behind and there was already an alarm out in Meinigen/Suhl area with both KGB and GRU hit men looking for them. Shoot on site. Before 1990 was over .... hundreds of soviet soldiers were executed for attempting to escape to the west.... didn't hear about that too much huh? ohh and sometimes their families... so since my side told me to break it off just hours before pick up and told to stand down..... I didn't.....instead I called NATO and made a deal for these guys....maybe 24 hours later I am in cuffs why? NATO general or two had contacted USAERUR Commanding congratulating him on a job well done and the USAREUR CG did not know what was going on and they told him a few bits....afterwards I get arrested......because we did not get the info first ... the Germans got it first who shared everything with its NATO partners......so to the one person in this thread who mentioned why me when there were tons of Russians wanting to defect.... I happened to find one that met the goal..... division or higher info....G2 stuff... I had the perfect cover..... I was buying military medals, uniforms, military watches (21 jewel Ruby) from the officers...back then if you had the money you could buy land to air missles... I could have bought tanks etc... but no HIND'S for sale...There was no control there at the end... and made the right connection.

The enlisted men looked like prisoners....and were treated like one as well. The way they lived was horrifying... almost non human like.

originally posted by: edsinger
I doubt they are using their private cars, I call bull# on that one.

Same vehicles .... like I said I had the license plates run through vehicle registration. Plates are not government and neither are the vehicles and have the name and address of these people. So what?....... You want their home address?

lol

However I made life easy, I put a gps tracker on her vehicle..... I figure I will watch her for awhile and see where she takes me. I just hope the batteries hold out in the cold...

originally posted by: DeadMoonJester

originally posted by: DeathSlayer


It may sound weird.....demonologist.....and all but it all started to get VERY real in this spy world stuff..... MANY agents on both sides.....VERY suspicious people..... one time I met up with some agents and the tension was so high I thought any second a gun fight was going to break out..... you could see the tension and hate....

You would be surprised how many GOOD agents have MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder) and SRA people. ... especially in children. Where do you think the term spook came from?

And SRA is an acronym for? You're not talking about Satanic ritual abuse are you?

This is exactly what I am talking about. Do you have any experience you would like to share on tis subject``

originally posted by: Argus100
Any proof of any of this? This is a conspiracy forum on the internet. Anyone can come on here with any claim they want and say it's real.

To put it bluntly, thus seems more like a textbook case of "chosen one" sydrome. A fervent mix of narcissism and paranoia. I mean no offense by this...simply trying to come to a more rational conclusion. The paranoia could very likely be coming from you legitimately holding onto some important information. Information can certainly cause more paranoia than harboring any tangible item of value.

Can you offer any proof at all of any of the claims you have made? You seem like an intelligent individual and surely you can see how your inability/hesitation to provide any photographic evidence seems highly suspicious and beyond convenient...even more so to anyone here who has ever posted a picture to this board and understands the ease of it. Also, the myriad of methods that would easily eliminate your metadata concerns are a quick google search away.

You're a conspiracy buff...certainly your bs sirens would be on full blast if you were reading the same stuff you are posting but it came from another member. If you truly are being followed, providing legit proof could be your greatest form of protection.

Is there any way you can help to remedy these concerns? I think it's fair to say that everyone here would like to believe you.

Wondering if you read the entire thread?

In Germany it is against the law to publish a photograph of someone with out their permission. OK

Then someone mentions the idea of smudging out their faces.... OK ...... so if I submit photographs with sumdged faces .... you will consider this as proof? Can you answer this for me please....

a reply to: Argus100

You have made some good points so I will explain....

Why not just walk up to them and talk to them? Ask them why they are following you? Seems simple enough.

This will frighten them. They will now wonder how long their surveillance has been detected and how long have they been followed. Their surveillance will stop immediately. If you do not have the data you need but yet identify yourself than that is a mistake.... You are looking to be led to their leader.... get to the root of the problem.

Why not call the police? Also, surely you could post a picture of these individuals with their faces blurred?

According to German law they have not done anything / they have not broken any laws. Its a free country.... blah, blah, blah

You sure they aren't just your neighbors and that's why u are seeing them so much?

Tailing me or my wife from our home is fruitless.... security in and around city blocks...I think they know.... anyway the trail has ALWAYS been on my wife and not me. My wife works in a job that is outside and she travels everyday a large route And they pick her up (meaning her trail) always at same point and time.....same people......same vehicles.....

The immediate accusation of anyone who thoroughly questions or counters any of your claims as being a disinformation agent or govt agent is just beyond classic as well. You should be welcoming accusations of deceit as a way to further prove your credibility by simply providing details that prove otherwise.

This is the way I am.... ask others who hate me ..... they will vouch ....

And I do not attack those against me..... actually you should read my responses carefully

I think we all have certain gifts ..... one of mine is how I have mastered the art of being slow and ignorant ALWAYS works on people with big ego's ..... main reason why I cannot have one....

Like I said in a different post....... So you will believe my story if I publish a photograph of someone with a blurred out face? Is that correct?

Actually it does not even make sense....

a reply to: neformore

yes, its what they are trying to hide that is important, they dont need disinfo agents, they just let us mislead each other, for the attention we crave, we are a self sustaining bubble of ignorance, and none of us are immune, some of us more susceptible to the BS though thats for sure.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

A spirit can come in any form..... the problem is which side is he on

earlier you wrote

Small satellite dish pointed at you can read your specific brain frequency (each person has its own unique frequency that can tune in and speak into a microphone and you will hear it inside you head as if someone is standing next to you or in the air. Works very well on Jesuits....another time..

It would be impossible to differentiate between a "spirit" or a contrived attempt by a spook?
How have you handled it?

a reply to: schuyler

But given what you've said, you sound kind of unstable. Maybe someone should take you out.

Why would a long time member like yourself post something so inflammatory?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

They had stored a real UFO in one of their back hangars for years

Now you've done it....we will be expecting more!