Ruhmatoid arthritis and chicken pox virus

As we know Rheumatoid arthritis is basically the bodies immune system attacking the human bodies joints . The human body is a fairly well designed thing and wouldn't attack itself for no good reason. Recently I made an observation, (feel free to shoot my logic to bits) . Ill put it as a timeline of a patient observation.

Patient has chronic Ruhmatoidarthritis. Which has flared up on and off for thirty years, and is on the usual allopathic medicine. Recently a Bad flare up required the patient to seek medical advice. The Doctor after blood tests placed the patient on Prednisone, for six weeks. Within twenty four hours the flare up was contained and that was that until about the five week period where the dose is reduced to wean the patient off. Then the flare up resumed. During the last flare up a rash was observed which turned out to be Shingles. The patient was prescribed, a course of anti viral medication, because shingles is caused by the chicken pox virus flaring up again as it lies dormant. Within twenty four hours the Arthritis flare up disappeared, on the anti viral called .Vaclovir.

So where would a virus lie dormant in the body, probably the cartilage which has a poor blood supply, during a low period it multiplies, and the immune system tries to fight it causing joint pain? So in this instance the patient got Prednisone that suppressed the immune system response , but the virus continued to increase until the shingles rash became obvious. The patient gets an anti viral medication and the Arthritis goes into remission.

The question is has anyone else on ATS experienced something similar....As in this case the logical conclusion is that the disease is caused by the chicken pox virus, which many people have as they would have contracted it at school?

a reply to: anonentity

I have not personally experienced this, but will throw out some opinions from what I read...

It seems to me, that the body's alkalinity levels have dropped drastically over the past 5 years or so... from either diet, environment, etc? As affects of it set in, treatments turned to repairing affects and not cause. Then, with an already fragile endocannibinoid system, the body strives for balance as these things are fought individually. While, I do endorse synthetic medicinal measures, it would only be on a 'need be' basis, and the causes should be looked into further.

If I seen this person, I would advise to drink high ph water only for some time, a few good soaks in some dead sea salts in a nice warm bath, and to include very small amounts of high CBD cannabis in the diet... preferably a diet of 90% veggie. There'd be a few other steps I'd take personally, but pulling back to basics to provide immune system balance is the primary goal here. I'd only take synthetics as a last resort here since the imbalance is showing to regress with treatments.

Best wishes to good health!

a reply to: ttobban


The patient is basically doing all the things that you have suggested, the regime has been adopted quite rigorously over the last 2 years with very positive results except for the Arthritis. Which would be the case if the cause was a dormant virus flaring up every now and then. Thanks for you input.

a reply to: anonentity

Ohhh... cool! Not for the RA, but for the natural approaches I mean...

Well, try a combo of Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA) and cold pressed fish oil... the combo should provide healing and pain relief when working together... enough to evade synthetics at least.

a reply to: ttobban


I'll definitely pass that on thanks. Interesting as the GlA comes from chicken combs and breast cartilage. (Chicken pox?)

This i know from personal experience.

A deficiency in magnesium can also prevent the absorption of calcium. Calcium is necessary for the development of bones and reduces damage to the bones. However when there is a decrease in magnesium in the body, calcium does not get absorbed and gets collected in soft tissues. This causes arthritis.

a reply to: anonentity

Hahaha... you make me laugh! I am not quite so sure there is a link to the name of a virus and where the element is stored, but that is an interesting link!

It's my guess that the endocannabinoid system imbalance allowed for the shingles virus to consume a high level of GLA metabolites, which causes a snowball affect... the decreasing levels of GLA metabolites quite possibly allows for inflammation to be more evident in the joints & cartilage. This can happen naturally as we age, or by some underlying ph acidity concern...

I am not a trained physician by the way, so please don;t hold me to the fire of being correct here...

a reply to: anonentity

So I am missing something. You start out talking about RA but then speak to the patient having osteoarthritis. Two very different things.

RA is autoimmune. Osteoarthritis is a degenerative joint process.

Autoimmune diseases tend to run in families so is genetic though something triggers it.

a reply to: liveandlearn


Sorry yes I fixed it.

a reply to: ttobban


The name apparently gets its "Chicken" from the fact they thought it was a lesser smallpox. As Chicken back in the day really meant frightened, smaller diminished.

a reply to: anonentity

That's so cool... I love learning about the origins of the terms we use day to day! So, without science knowing all the details, to say chicken or small pox meant the same thing? And, here we are today talking about GLA's influence of RA... my how far we have come!

a reply to: ttobban


I know its really sad. When the truth all along was "Let thy food be your medicine"

a reply to: anonentity

Its one thing if a path is tried, but not if it leads to a dead end. I find it to be insane that we still trend in this direction as a whole. No way should it cost more to eat naturally because so many of the standard offerings are synthetically altered... natural is a rarity. The medicines are great for what they are fixing and expanding science, but fail to see the affects it has to the natural balance of things.

Please send word on how the GLA/fish oil combo works... I would like the feedback for future theories.

Greetings,

I have been treating myself for rheumatoid arthritis for about 13 yrs with Rife technology. Has kept it in check. Joints work just fine now. I'm 79.

When I started I googled pathogens related to Rheumatoid arthritis. Found that staph and strep bacteria are the main culprits.

Lady I know had shingles around the eye. She treated herself twice with Rife machine, no more shingles.

Check: spooky2.com
Regards

originally posted by: ttobban
a reply to: anonentity

I have not personally experienced this, but will throw out some opinions from what I read...

It seems to me, that the body's alkalinity levels have dropped drastically over the past 5 years or so... from either diet, environment, etc? As affects of it set in, treatments turned to repairing affects and not cause. Then, with an already fragile endocannibinoid system, the body strives for balance as these things are fought individually. While, I do endorse synthetic medicinal measures, it would only be on a 'need be' basis, and the causes should be looked into further.

If I seen this person, I would advise to drink high ph water only for some time, a few good soaks in some dead sea salts in a nice warm bath, and to include very small amounts of high CBD cannabis in the diet... preferably a diet of 90% veggie. There'd be a few other steps I'd take personally, but pulling back to basics to provide immune system balance is the primary goal here. I'd only take synthetics as a last resort here since the imbalance is showing to regress with treatments.

Best wishes to good health!

The body's "alkalinity levels" haven't "dropped drastically over the past 5 years or so". That's just absolute nonsense.
Read up on homeostasis to find out why.
Drinking high pH water would be the same as drinking normal water, again see homeostasis.
Given the initial "facts" you stated I would be dubious about the rest of the information you provided as well.

a reply to: Pardon?

I could sit here, go back and forth about these things, and quite possible learn something new... seems that debate has entered the 'no way/no how' zone here, so I am stumped as why I am even typing this now. I believe only math is 100% true, so any words I say are bred from a source of opinion as it is... if one stretches my opinions to feel as if what I say is intended to be the almighty authority, then it means my opinions have already met a wall.

I guess my point is that mentioning homeostasis does nothing more then indicate that a system of checks and balances is in place to render the frequencies of ph neutral. If the system is imbalanced or a sensor system of it is altered... that means disease sets in. And, science still has yet to determine the location of some of the sensor systems within homeostasis of the human body. So more questions need to be answered... is that the point???

See what I did there? I took a topic of debate, further elaborated on it, and am keeping an open mind to possibly learning more and altering the course of my opinions. It's a great existence... I know I am never 100% right, so I end up studying more and more to hopefully have better opinions.

a reply to: ttobban


With regards to the alkalinity of the blood, if it goes to acidic, it grabs calcium from the bones to correct itself, which leads to Osteoporosis. That's why milk and dairy is dicey as it actually causes acidosis , via the lactic acid, which must be neutralised.

originally posted by: ttobban
a reply to: Pardon?

I could sit here, go back and forth about these things, and quite possible learn something new... seems that debate has entered the 'no way/no how' zone here, so I am stumped as why I am even typing this now. I believe only math is 100% true, so any words I say are bred from a source of opinion as it is... if one stretches my opinions to feel as if what I say is intended to be the almighty authority, then it means my opinions have already met a wall.

Or you could show why you said " the body's alkalinity levels have dropped drastically over the past 5 years or so.." rather than just plucking out of thin air.

I guess my point is that mentioning homeostasis does nothing more then indicate that a system of checks and balances is in place to render the frequencies of ph neutral. If the system is imbalanced or a sensor system of it is altered... that means disease sets in. And, science still has yet to determine the location of some of the sensor systems within homeostasis of the human body. So more questions need to be answered... is that the point???

Homeostasis isn't a system of checks.
Homeostasis is the process of regulating certain physiological mechanisms, in this case, regulating pH levels which it does constantly.
And those pH levels are very tight indeed whether you're well or ill.
The "system" will only become "unbalanced" very near to or at the point of death and can only be addressed by rapid medical intervention. Not a few sips of alkaline water...

See what I did there? I took a topic of debate, further elaborated on it, and am keeping an open mind to possibly learning more and altering the course of my opinions. It's a great existence... I know I am never 100% right, so I end up studying more and more to hopefully have better opinions.

I saw what you did.
You posted a load of nonsense and hoped that no-one would call you out.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: ttobban


With regards to the alkalinity of the blood, if it goes to acidic, it grabs calcium from the bones to correct itself, which leads to Osteoporosis. That's why milk and dairy is dicey as it actually causes acidosis , via the lactic acid, which must be neutralised.

Sorry, that's a myth.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...