I have a theory about a Trump and Tesla connection...

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I concure

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Gothmog

A remote controled boat.

Yeah hes not respinsoble for the airforcrs drones. A frankensteinesque remote control boat and an Rq-180 arent exactly the same thing. Thats like saying davinci knows the hidden govt secrets on how the ufos fly cause he once drew a semi functional gyrocopter. Quick we should research his old notes and look for clues as to how the govt hid from the public his advanced triangular and disc shaped flying machines.

Not the same , but yet the start ?
And it is Leonardo da Vinci .And responsible. And Air Force . Get it right if you want to have some form of intellectual debate.You do notice and understand the word "drew" , yes ?Or not.Big difference between a drawing and a working model. But you knew that , right ? Yet models start as drawings. Then models are perfected. Thenthe models are turned into prototypes .so on and so forth. Did you look up Tesla and X-Rays? Medical X-Rays ?
I grow tired of inane responses after I have provided you a start. And that was only a start
Ignorance has a tendency to create boredom

a reply to: Gothmog

Well ill blame my phone and a cracked lcd screen that i can hardly see through for my spelling.

But x rays! Thats the best you got. The govts sitting on x ray secrets.

So in your logic.
Steps:
A (xrays and crude remote controls oh and a drawing)
B(?)
C(?)
D(?)
E(?)
F(?)
G(?)
H (ufos and death rays!!! All attributable to tesla. Oh and the govts keeping secret aspects of the technology from Step A from the world its just too wonderous)

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Gothmog

I know plenty about tesla and from a "make ufos fly" standpoint he didnt contribute much.

Yeah he figured out polyphase current and how to rotate a magnetic field. He liked high voltage and came up with AC current. Helped edison develop lightbulbs. Designed componants that if assembled right function as a radio. He was a brilliant thinker and futurist but thats it. No secret ufo propulsion designs.

Just because ufos use rotating magnetic fields doesnt mean tesla get the credit for concieving them. Just like the caveman who inventef the first wheel doesnt get credit for designing a lamborgini. The firsr hominid to create a hammer doesnt get credit for frank lloyd writes architecture.

Everyone wants to make tesla a mythical figure able to create inertial cancelling superluminal machines if it werent for the powers that be. The truth is he had very little to do with any of it just like the first chinese guy to invent a novelty rocket thousands of years ago didnt have a whole heck of a lot to do with concieving and engineering the latest space rocket.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am curious why did you bring UFO's and their propulsion into this discussion about Time Travel, Trump, Titor, and Tesla?

It appears to have nothing to do with what you are arguing.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Tesla invented AC current.

Who told you that ?

AC Current was first generated in 1832.

Tesla was born 1856.

Why do people believe this nonsense about Tesla.

a reply to: Konduit

Oh heck.

Why not go all the way back and tell Adam not to eat the fruit?

Was Adam scared and would not talk to strangers? Maybe grab the snake and cast it out of the garden before it could deceive Eve, she wasn't scared of strangers, apparently?

If I had a time machine...

I get it, one with a mind open so much the brains can fall out, is different than playing marbles with thoughts...
The marbles have to stay in the playing field.

There's gonna be a shortage of chocolate pudding in the future...you can pay it forward by donating today, please donate for a sweet cause.

feeble attempt at comedy in all seriousness, so I'm sorry.

a reply to: myartisstrong

From and old Hoax thread:

"Now since we're freely throwing out troll bait, in any substantial study of resonance one will notice that Nikola Tesla is inextricably linked to resonance.

It was an innocent experiment. Tesla had attached a small vibrator to an iron column in his New York City laboratory and started it vibrating. At certain frequencies specific pieces of equipment in the room would jiggle. Change the frequency and the jiggle would move to another part of the room. Unfortunately, he hadn't accounted for the fact that the column ran downward into the foundation beneath the building. His vibrations were being transmitted all over Manhattan.

For Tesla, the first hint of trouble came when the walls and floor began to heave (ref 1). He stopped the experiment just as the police crashed through the door. It seems he'd started a small earthquake in his neighborhood smashing windows, swayed buildings, and sending panicked neighbors rushing into the streets. The police had frequently responded to complaints about Tesla's unusual activities.

Hopping down this rabbit hole (which is always interesting as I learn something new every time I look deeper into Tesla and his work) last night I came across a few interesting items beyond what is linked above.

For example, UC Berkley has this at their site. It's a presentation in which Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower is linked to the Tunguska event.

I don't think I ever knew that any correlation was ever suggested between these two events (or if I did, I had forgotten about it) nor was I aware that:

An English engineer, J.H. Hamil, offered the American army plans for producing " an invisible ray
capable of stopping airplanes and automobiles in midflight," invented by a German scientist. The ray
device was said to have been used the previous summer to bring down French planes over Bavaria.
Hamil noted, however, that "the fundamental work was done by Nikola Tesla in Colorado Springs
about 30 years ago. He built a powerful electrical coil. It was found that the dynamos and other
electrical apparatus of a Colorado fuel company within a 100 yards or so were all put out of business.
1

source

Thirty years after Tesla's Colorado Springs experiments would have been the late 30s to early 40s. Which was the same time in which he was experiencing the most difficult times of his life and eventual death.

(screws on his lead-lined tinfoil hat a bit tighter)

Further:

Dr. John G. Trump was the main government official who went over Tesla's secret papers after his death in 1943. At the time, Trump was a well-known electrical engineer serving as a technical aide to the National Defense Research Committee of the Office of Scientific Research & Development, Technical Aids, Div. 14, NTRC (predecessor agency to the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence). Trump was also a professor at M.I.T., and had his feelings hurt by Tesla's 1938 review and critique of M.I.T.'s huge Van de Graaff generator with its two thirty-foot towers and two 15-foot-diameter (4.6 m) balls, mounted on railroad tracks—which Tesla showed could be out-performed in both voltage and current by one of his tiny coils about two feet tall.[112] Trump was asked to participate in the examination of Tesla's papers at the Manhattan Warehouse & Storage Co. Trump reported afterwards that no examination had been made of the vast amount of Tesla's property, that had been in the basement of the New Yorker Hotel, ten years prior to Tesla's death, or of any of his papers, except those in his immediate possession at the time of his death. Trump concluded in his report, that there was nothing that would constitute a hazard in unfriendly hands.

emphasis mine

Any relation to “The Donald?”
"

Guess the answer is yes.

a reply to: myartisstrong

It got me thinking.. what if the Trumps have been in possession of Tesla's work for all these years and now that we have kick ass tech like quantum computers and stuff that could finally make Tesla's brilliant work a reality.

...because Tesla wasn't in it for the money his inventions would bring, he died lonely and broke. I believe he was advanced in his evolution...money is a hindrance, not an enabler?

Maybe Trump sees in as an idea to make more money than any human has ever made, ever. That would fit his ego, and the fact that he is president now, could expedite that..

I would hope it would be to advance Tesla's technology to the point where every household can be self-sufficient, whether they have the money to pay for it or not.

It's interesting the connection you made between Tesla and Trump.

In Trumps Inauguration where he spoke about America first...he added that when dealing with other nations he will accept the fact that that nation will be putting that nation first in dealing with America...it's a given common sense rule no other president would bother acknowledging up until now.

Cool thread.

originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: Konduit

Can you summarize this? I can't read it....text is too small.

Thanks!

Someone taught me how to zoom in on images like that.
Holding the ctrl button while depressing + = button will zoom it in for ya'.
Holding the ctrl button while depressing _ - button will zoom it out for ya'.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Your 'source' link is not working

Rainbows
Jane

PS...just found this article.....very interesting...
Trump, Tessla & the Russian connection

Not invent.

Discovered.

There is a huge difference.

A machine is invented. The physics which allow it to work are discovered.

Discoveries are more important and preface invention.

a reply to: angelchemuel

My apologies. Apparently I originally linked to a file on my PC at the time and so the original linked wouldn't have worked either.

See here for related source material.

a reply to: SeaYote

WE should be using MAGNETICS instead but OIL was a strangling mistress.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Tesla invented AC current. Thats about it.

What makes the ufos fly wasnt even in his ballpark and uses more developed sciences pioneered by other equaly brilliant men. .

The merits of Telsa's work and his 'genius' can and will be debated. Despite the debate/arguments/discussions concerning Telsa, he was unequivocally a pioneer. His work stands on it's own. They don't hand out Nobel Prizes to 'equally brilliant men/women' because they're few and far between -- No, he wasn't given the Nobel Prize, but on two different occasions he garnered significant support and had he and Edison had any meaningful relationship at all (outside of pure contempt), they may well have shared the Nobel Prize in the early 20th Century.

Perhaps, you can share with us some of these 'equally brilliant men/women' who pioneered 'more developed sciences'. It would surely bring about some context in your post concerning the works and minds of those who are equally brilliant -- given enough time and a list of contemporaries and those who followed Telsa but did NOT piggyback off any of his ideas/inventions/patents/etc., I could make a convincing argument there were few 'equally brilliant' contemporaries or ones who followed. I encourage you to provide at least of a few of his contemporaries and some who followed that are 'equally brilliant' (I am using your term - that it's your subjectivity that is fine by me as long as we are both speaking the same language [i. e. you marrying Telsa's work to UFOs; I see his work as having a long shelf for various purposes/reasons]) . It may very well be an interesting list if we made enough iterations between discussing the individuals you had in mind and those I feel are/were 'equally brilliant'.

Just because ufos use rotating magnetic fields doesnt mean tesla get the credit for concieving them. Just like the caveman who inventef the first wheel doesnt get credit for designing a lamborgini.

That's entirely too hyperbolic. I didn't notice the OP make any direct - or what could be construed as indirect hints - assertions about Telsa inventing any UFO devices using rotating magnetic fields. Could he have come up with the idea of some rudimentary device(s) that rely/generate rotating magnetic fields for propulsion? Sure. And if, we are to believe the implicit notion that these UFOs using rotating magnetic fields do exist (as your comment does), it sure as heck was only a generation or two before those physics were realized. Not millennia (e.g. cave man wheel to Lambo). Not eons (hominoid first use of a tool to Llyod Wright's Guggenheim). Telsa's work was all over the place depending on the period in the man's life, but it's hyperbolic and sells the man's genius short. Telsa has long garnered controversy and criticism, but as stated above his work stands on its own and likely would have gotten him a Nobel Prize if he and Edison had any relationship, at all.

Cheers.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Gothmog

Well ill blame my phone and a cracked lcd screen that i can hardly see through for my spelling.

But x rays! Thats the best you got. The govts sitting on x ray secrets.

So in your logic.
Steps:
A (xrays and crude remote controls oh and a drawing)
B(?)
C(?)
D(?)
E(?)
F(?)
G(?)
H (ufos and death rays!!! All attributable to tesla. Oh and the govts keeping secret aspects of the technology from Step A from the world its just too wonderous)

So just a day ago, you declared: "Truth is we do have a secret space program. And we do have advanced vehicles that are often confised and misidentified as UFOs". This in the context of Richard Dolan's assertion that the US does, indeed, have a secret space program. A program only known to those 'who need to know'. Presumably, you are one of those 'who need to know'.

How does the above following jive with your attempts at ridicule with the above quoted reply that, in essence, suggests the military/government isn't, "keeping secret aspects of the technology from Step A from the world..."? It can not be both. You cannot declare there is a secret space program, that intrinsically is valued because of its secrecy, and obviously valued for its ability to carry out a mission's objective, but then ridicule someone for suggesting that the government would keep secret the Steps B - G. How do you explain that?

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Tesla wasn't/isn't the only person to discover alternate sources of energy. The many times we could have taken a cleaner, healthier path.
We don't need no stinkin' aliens to show us the way.
We could decide for ourselves to be free, truly free. Feels like now is a good time for a turning point.

While living in Colorado Springs, Tesla started developing the idea for a particle beam that could be used as a weapon, and though his idea never materialized, it was described in what is known as the “Tesla Papers.” Immediately after his death, unknown persons raided his apartment in the New Yorker Hotel, stealing documents for fear that they would fall into Soviet hands. Two days after his death (when he was found by a maid), the FBI confiscated all that was left. The FBI appointed Dr John Trump of the National Research Committee to look into the documents, and he concluded that they were mostly speculative in nature. After World War II, interest in them was revived and the heavily funded “Project Nick” was started in Dayton, Ohio, only to be dropped later. Interest in a beam weapon waxed and waned until the late 1970s, when construction of a large beam weapon by the Soviets came to light. As a response, in the early 1980s, President Ronald Reagan proposed the Strategic Defense Initiative.6 All attempts to build a Death Ray have failed, and many think that answers to the problems encountered were addressed in the missing “Tesla Papers ” (some think that the US Government has them and is hiding them).

Pigeons and MRI: Tesla Vignettes

If the FBI only got what was left, what was there before and who got it?

J.P. Morgan and Edison come to mind as to who might have gotten to his papers before the FBI.

Traipsing down the trail a little further, I find this interesting patent:

This invention converts inertial impulses into electric currents. Specifically, it converts impulses created by the impacts of high-energy particles from the Sun and other cosmic sources into the Earth's Magnetosphere and the varying D, E, F1 and F2 layers of its Ionosphere to controlled electric currents. This invention presents a new method of utilizing energy from the Sun and other sources of high energy articles as a virtually, inexhaustible, alternative-energy source for the world.

Why is this interesting in the context of this thread? I'm glad you asked...

One day while reading an old scientific magazine I saw a small article on the research of Dr. John Trump of MIT (the basis for an electrostatic generator patented later by Onezime P. Breaux in U.S. Pat. No. 4,127,804). The article talked about a series of experiments which Dr. Trump had performed with a 2-plate, capacitor in a vacuum dielectric. Briefly, he discovered that by varying the distance between the two plates one could produce current flows in one direction or the other between either of the plates and ground.
...
Many years ago around 1900 Dr Nikola Tesla built and tested a device to extract energy from the Sun using an apparatus which forms part of my own invention (see U.S. Pat. Nos. 685,957 an 685,958 dated 5 Nov. 1901).

This tells me that Trump may have learned a thing or two from Tesla that isn't generally let on about. If the FBI assigned him the task of going through Tesla's papers (what was left of them, remember), then it is entirely possible that there was enough left behind to develop some useful tech.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Interesting & nice Detective work, J&C.

a reply to: The GUT

Thank you!

This phrase especially stood out:

"National Defense Research Committee of the Office of Scientific Research & Development, Technical Aids, Div. 14, NTRC (predecessor agency to the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence)." in light of president Trumps odd seeming remarks after his meeting at the CIA.

His uncle was pre-CIA.

My previous post seems unnecessary without the quote of the person to whom I responded.

Anyone who understands Tesla's work knows that his inventions don't come close to giving credit to his discoveries.

In other words, his inventions will be outdone, but his discoveries can never be stricken from the record until the fire comes.

Tesla is to physics as Bobby Fischer is to chess.

And their personalities are not dissimilar.

Now that I think about it, Trump is like the businessman version of these. Guess that's why he isn't a vagrant.