Photos: the crowd at Donald Trump’s inauguration vs. Barack Obama’s

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: DJW001

Good now go back and watch what was stated at the press briefings.

Crowd size is not the issue and never has been.

It was at first. It was only after Trump looked like a colossal prat by embarrassing himself in front of the CIA's most sacred memorial that his handlers tried to make the media into the issue. The media stated the facts correctly. Deal with it.

a reply to: Indigo5

The photos of Trump were 3 hours before his speech .

a reply to: 10uoutlaw

Your brain is from 1972..

We are just saying crazy stuff opposed by reality...right?

a reply to: DJW001

No it was not.. It was truth in media.

originally posted by: 10uoutlaw
a reply to: Indigo5

The photos of Trump were 3 hours before his speech .

More "Alternative facts" from you....

Funny how you ignore the photo take during Trump's speech from the control room......

There's a lot of salt in this thread with deluded people still arguing over the attendance numbers. The 2017 image in the OP was taken way before the crowds arrived. CNN debunked themselves with their own GigaPixel image 'During' President Trump's speech.

You can see it here - edition.cnn.com...

originally posted by: Riakennor
There's a lot of salt in this thread with deluded people still arguing over the attendance numbers. The 2017 image in the OP was taken way before the crowds arrived. CNN debunked themselves with their own GigaPixel image 'During' President Trump's speech.

You can see it here - edition.cnn.com...

No CNN didn't "debunk themselves". This is a classic case of perspective. Even Trump couldn't get the photographic proof of crowds going all the way back to the Washington Monument. The National Parks Service had a photographer on the observation level on the monument. According to Fox News reports those images were supplied to Trump. Do you not think that Trump would have been splashing those images from the rear all over Twitter and in briefings?

Some posters seem confused over timings.

Trump swearing in ceremony commences 12:00 pm EST
Trump's speech began 12:03 pm EST
Trump's speech ends 12:19 pm EST

Reuters had a still photographer, Lucas Jackson, on an observation level near the top of the Washington monument. One image that he took was at 12:01 pm EST.

Reuters Editor, Jim Bourg, stated.

“Only one news organization had a still photographer atop the Washington monument for the inauguration and I assigned him to be there,” Bourg wrote in a Facebook post Sunday night. “This photo by Reuters News Pictures staff photographer Lucas Jackson was taken at 12:01:18 p.m. on Friday and not much earlier as many people are trying to claim.

Sunday Times Link

Reuters Article Link





Jim Bourg post link on Facebook

Jim Bourg Facebook Link

The Atlantic have some of those Reuters hi-resolution images in the following article.

The Atlantic article link

Images can be matched up to the Jumbotron viewing screens during the ceremony and speeches.

Image number 3 can be tied to the first minute of Trump's speech. See 1:05 in the ABC video link.

We, the citizens of America, are now joined in a great national effort to rebuild our country and restore its promise for all of our people.

Image 3 link

Image number 5 can be matched up to the last minute of Trump's speech. See 15:19 in the ABC video link.

Image 5 link

We all enjoy the same glorious freedoms and we all salute the same great American flag.

The following Earthcam National Mall webcam video covers a 5 minute time period. The "5 minutes" are compressed into 27 seconds.

12:16 pm EST until
12:21 pm EST: Roy Blunt takes the podium after Trump's speech. You can see Roy Blunt on the Jumbotron footage.



Earthcam footage from following link

Earthcam National Mall video

The footage can be matched up with Trump's inagural speech (13th minute - 12:16 pm EST) playing on the Jumbotron screens. Nearest one ringed in yellow.



In the following video watch for the man's head coming onto the screen.





That footage can be matched up in time during Trump's speech. During the 13 minute into the speech the camera on Trump cuts from him to the crowd. A man's head can be seen coming into frame in the crowd shot. The footage then goes back to Trump. Shortly after the camera cut to a shot of Trump on the podium from the rear.



See from 13:53 in the following video.



Also note from 13:48 that the crowd can see from an even lower perspective than Trump's. It appears to be even more packed all the way back.



Even during approximately the 6th minute of Trump's speech (12:09 pm EST) the perspective of the rear of the crowd can be seen. Image taken from CGTN America control room.



Twitter Link TV Control Room image

Twitter Link to Control Room Image during 6th minute of speech

That TV Control Room image can be matched up to 6 minutes 22 seconds of the following video.





Perspective from the front during the 6th minute of the speech. As you can see it looks packed.



Now turn to the CNN Gigapixel. Some people are claiming that this image shows that Trump and Spicer were correct and that the crowd stretched all the way back and was full all the way to the Washington Monument.

Remember what Spicer stated as fact.

We do know a few things so let's go through the facts. We know that from the platform where the President was sworn in to 4th Street holds about 250,000 people. From 4th Street to the media tent is about another 220,000. And from the media tent to the Washington Monument, another 250,000 people.

All of this space was full when the President took the oath of office.

The time when the CNN Gigapixel was taken can be narrowed down to the 7th minute of Trump's inagural speech.

CNN Gigapixel Image Link

Note the photographer circled in yellow. He is reaching for his camera strap that has slipped off his shoulder.







That moment is captured in the following video.



The portion of the speech where Trump stated.

and spent trillions and trillions of dollars overseas while Americas infrastructure has fallen

36.01 in the White House video



07:41 in the ABC video. See video above in the post.

Portion of the CNN Gigapixel showing the rear of the crowd. Taken from a higher vantage point the gaps and spaces are visible.

It is purely perspective that appears to make the gaps shorter.



The reality from a minute previous.



Metabunk match up of CNN Gigapixel and PBS timelapse

The following videos highlight the realities of perspective and the crowd.

According to media reports Trump found out the true reality from the photographs of the National Park Service. Reuters also confirm that a Parks Service photographer was on the Washington monument observation level. I also wonder if Trump saw the Earthcam footage showing the true reality of the rear of the crowd during his speech? I imagine that he would have been livid and quickly realized that perspective fooled him!

President Donald Trump reportedly phoned the acting director of the National Park service on the first full day of his presidency to dispute the widely circulated photos of Trump’s inauguration crowd.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that Trump personally pressured park service chief Michael Reynolds to produce additional photographs of the previous days’ crowds on the National Mall. Trump reportedly believed that the photos might prove that the news media had lied about the attendance.

Reynolds produced the photos as the White House requested, according to The Post. Photos taken that day made clear that crowds didn't extend to the Lincoln Memorial as Trump later asserted, and that his claim of 1 million to 1.5 million people in attendance was wrong.

Fox News article link

Huffington Post article link

A CBS News camera operator and a Park Service photographer were the only others taking images from the observation level.

Reuters article link

a reply to: Indigo5

Why is this not in HOax bin yet?

originally posted by: antar
a reply to: Indigo5

Why is this not in HOax bin yet?

Trump Supporters having cognitive deficiencies that make them incapable of spatially reconciling the concepts of time, space and perspective (real things) does not somehow redefine facts as hoax?

Lol, this still means an awful lot to some.

originally posted by: UKTruth
Lol, this still means an awful lot to some.

the lefts game plan is to constantly throw sh*t against a all to see what sticks. They lost the Presidency.. They lost Congress.. They lost the bulk of Governorships and state houses..

all they have left is the temper tantrum, obstructions and riots coupled with Pelosi telling people the Democrats dont need new leadership because the people dont want change.

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originally posted by: antar
a reply to: Indigo5

Why is this not in HOax bin yet?

Ask yourself why Trump hasn't tweeted or sent Spicer out to show off the crowd rear images? Remember there was a National Park photographer up the Washington Monument.

Ask yourself why Trump hasn't tweeted or sent Spicer out to show off the Earthcam video footage? Surely it can't be that hard?

Remember what Spicer stated as fact.

We do know a few things so let's go through the facts. We know that from the platform where the President was sworn in to 4th Street holds about 250,000 people. From 4th Street to the media tent is about another 220,000. And from the media tent to the Washington Monument, another 250,000 people.

All of this space was full when the President took the oath of office.

Can you explain why Trump can't provide that footage from the rear showing those areas "full" ?

I get that it is a mindset. I under stand that perspective can fool people. Some people simply can't grasp it.

An example. The following person obviously couldn't grasp perspective so believes that the crowd rear images show people watching re-runs of the speech on the Jumbotrons.



Images referenced and comments at following link.

The Atlantic article link

Have you also grasped perspective? Approx 1.36 miles to the Washington Monument from Trump's speech podium. Approximately 1 mile from podium to where the white tents are. Can you now grasp why perspective deceived people?

originally posted by: UKTruth
Lol, this still means an awful lot to some.

Forget the poltics, then and treat it purely as a photography lesson.

If you take out all the political spin it does show how people can be fooled by perspective.

It is February 9th, 2017. Take your L and go home Trumpettes.

a reply to: FelisOrion

ok

a reply to: Xcathdra

Wow... talk about sore winners. Look, Trump may not have had the largest inauguration crowd of all time, but he definitely had the largest protest of all time.

a reply to: DJW001

Yup. And that helps him keep winning each day.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Why do you think this has any effect on me? Bwaha, that's what makes you sycophants so pathetic. You automatically assume an objector of Trump, to be a supporter of HIlary. It is the typical mentality of a cultist.