Photos: the crowd at Donald Trump’s inauguration vs. Barack Obama’s

a reply to: Indigo5

are you a sage or a prophet? how can you possibly tell the future, and surely you know it is not possible for a human to be objective. when i say we i mean us humans, are you not a human?
and you picked a side is quite obvious cmon, you are on the side opposing Trump....
"One can never be WHOLLY objective, but relative to all other species humans are capable of being able to distance themselves consciously fairly successfully. It is not so much about completely eliminating bias, as it is recognizing what your bias is and working with and around it."
www.online-literature.com...

you are irrational mate, all you have said is all the bad things thats going to happen because Trump is president. i can stand back and look at it in a more objective way than you because its in my nature and im not exposed to the same propaganda as you. We are all conditioned into a way of thinking.

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Indigo5

are you a sage or a prophet?

Niether, but my degree is in economics and I own three businesses in different fields and after 25+ years running those businesses and reconciling my analysis and predictions through profit and loss?...I know what I know and I know what I don't know...I differentiate between "feelings" and economic predictions that have financial consequence to me...And have successfully tested the same navigating well through dramatic shifts in the economy over the last couple of decades.

and surely you know it is not possible for a human to be objective. when i say we i mean us humans, are you not a human?

I never said it was possible to be purely objective?


I said there are those that aspire to be objective vs. "irrational" people who do not try to be objective, but rather are driven by emotion or in politics, the more sinister "identity" defensive thinking where we are wired to see political challenges as a challenge to our identity itself.

and you picked a side is quite obvious cmon, you are on the side opposing Trump....

Correct...And if he had policies, ideas or solutions that were healthy for this country, it's people and economy. I would support him, not oppose him.

you are irrational mate, all you have said is all the bad things thats going to happen because Trump is president.

What economic policy do you think Trump is implementing that is good for the USA?...Real policy..not vague pandering rhetoric..

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: UKTruth

I always have that hope, but he is still a proven liar and jacka##.

You are right that I need to let go of ridiculous and petty things, everyone does. But that does not make me have respect for don.

He's got a job, he needs to do it with or without my respect. Its not shocking that many people have NO respect for him, however, he still needs to do what he was elected for.

Just as it was not important that Bill had sexual relations in the whitehouse, it is not important that don likes to piss on hookers and grab pretty women by the pussy.

edit: on second thought, it IS an issue if he grabs pretty women by the pussy bc that is sexual assault, anyway, you get what I'm saying.

I get the angst.
I don't get the crazy destructive behaviour I am witnessing (I don't mean you)

Crazy destructive behavior? Like the 3 or 4 libs who were destructive? The black guys who tortured a defenseless white boy and the girl who set fire to a trump-lovers hair?

I do not like it one bit either, and I do not get it. But that does not define the left. Just as nazi, alt-right behavior doe not define the right.

We may be completely opposite but on the same page here in that we both want don to succeed.

By succeed though, may be 2 separate ideas.

I do not want him to build a wall I do not want him to defund planned parent hood and I do NOT want him to repeal Obamacare without an acceptable working replacement.

I also do not want him to defund NASA or environmental agencies.

If he does all of these things he is a failure to me and a success to you.

Not quite.

I don't want him to build a wall, but don't really care either way. The priority should be to secure the borders and implement immigration policy that ensures a growth in the required skill sets that will take the country forward and not increase the burden on welfare.

We agree that an alternative needs to be found for the ACA.

I want him to invest significantly in NASA and environmental agencies. On the environment the focus should be on tangible issues (like Flint) and also on Global Climate issues that can be addressed WITHOUT enriching corporations.

We're not that far apart on what we consider a success of failure.
Of course these are just a few of the criteria.

Wow, i can't believe i have that much in common with UKTruth

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: UKTruth

I always have that hope, but he is still a proven liar and jacka##.

You are right that I need to let go of ridiculous and petty things, everyone does. But that does not make me have respect for don.

He's got a job, he needs to do it with or without my respect. Its not shocking that many people have NO respect for him, however, he still needs to do what he was elected for.

Just as it was not important that Bill had sexual relations in the whitehouse, it is not important that don likes to piss on hookers and grab pretty women by the pussy.

edit: on second thought, it IS an issue if he grabs pretty women by the pussy bc that is sexual assault, anyway, you get what I'm saying.

I get the angst.
I don't get the crazy destructive behaviour I am witnessing (I don't mean you)

Crazy destructive behavior? Like the 3 or 4 libs who were destructive? The black guys who tortured a defenseless white boy and the girl who set fire to a trump-lovers hair?

I do not like it one bit either, and I do not get it. But that does not define the left. Just as nazi, alt-right behavior doe not define the right.

We may be completely opposite but on the same page here in that we both want don to succeed.

By succeed though, may be 2 separate ideas.

I do not want him to build a wall I do not want him to defund planned parent hood and I do NOT want him to repeal Obamacare without an acceptable working replacement.

I also do not want him to defund NASA or environmental agencies.

If he does all of these things he is a failure to me and a success to you.

Not quite.

I don't want him to build a wall, but don't really care either way. The priority should be to secure the borders and implement immigration policy that ensures a growth in the required skill sets that will take the country forward and not increase the burden on welfare.

We agree that an alternative needs to be found for the ACA.

I want him to invest significantly in NASA and environmental agencies. On the environment the focus should be on tangible issues (like Flint) and also on Global Climate issues that can be addressed WITHOUT enriching corporations.

We're not that far apart on what we consider a success of failure.
Of course these are just a few of the criteria.

Wow, i can't believe i have that much in common with UKTruth

Yeah, something tells me it's the broken clock rule.

that kind of response is exactly why he's in there and you're still too smug to see it. if we don't care about your newest feel good cause, we're somehow racist idiots. because we're more concerned with an ever increasing social security, hospital, and government backed loan programs bill to pay for not only the skyrocketing amount of new americans...children born to illegals because for 8 years they've had carte blanche, you want us to pay for their entire family too; we aren't seen as dollar conscious citizens who understand the coffers will run dry eventually, we're brown hating for the heck of it. because we've fought terrorism and seen first hand what real loss of freedom is and know it's not climate change that makes their jihadists hate us...it's our fundamental principles and no amount of wishing it better will ever make it true. because we've seen what we're up against in a country that's had everything you take for granted stripped bare, more than a lot of us are a little put off with the muslims in america these days. not because we're islamaphobic...but because they won't do anything to join the fight and protect the country they're currently enjoying living in..they don't stand up in outrage when a jihadi kills americans. they aren't policing their own social groups. instead they decry religious outrage at america and call for the same overbearing sharia practices that's already torn their country to shreds...while our government helps them with bastardized interpretations of the freedoms they're trying to snuff out. because god forbid we call a spade a spade, and tell someone that's not how our country is. that's how your country is. apparently you recognize it's better over here, otherwise you'd still be over there. if you ever want to see real oppression, you don't have to look any farther than sharia. it won't just be high priced tampons a woman more well off than 90% of us is complaining about...she won't have the opportunity because just like those women in american flag hijabs she doesn't understand it's not a fashion statement for their caliphate. she's property with no voice and it's the only way it's supposed to be reply to: veracity

a reply to: spiritualzombie
lofl

a reply to: dan6628

we only call people racist idiots when they are racist idiots

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: UKTruth

True, he can never redeem himself for mocking a disabled guy and bragging about being with married women and grabbing pussy, but...I hope for the best.

Both men and women engage in locker room talk when the opposite sex isn't around. Me and my friends have said worse things than that but would never actually do them. Stop being a hypocrite, I'm sure you have said some dodgy # when around your lady friends.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: UKTruth

I always have that hope, but he is still a proven liar and jacka##.

You are right that I need to let go of ridiculous and petty things, everyone does. But that does not make me have respect for don.

He's got a job, he needs to do it with or without my respect. Its not shocking that many people have NO respect for him, however, he still needs to do what he was elected for.

Just as it was not important that Bill had sexual relations in the whitehouse, it is not important that don likes to piss on hookers and grab pretty women by the pussy.

edit: on second thought, it IS an issue if he grabs pretty women by the pussy bc that is sexual assault, anyway, you get what I'm saying.

I get the angst.
I don't get the crazy destructive behaviour I am witnessing (I don't mean you)

Crazy destructive behavior? Like the 3 or 4 libs who were destructive? The black guys who tortured a defenseless white boy and the girl who set fire to a trump-lovers hair?

I do not like it one bit either, and I do not get it. But that does not define the left. Just as nazi, alt-right behavior doe not define the right.

We may be completely opposite but on the same page here in that we both want don to succeed.

By succeed though, may be 2 separate ideas.

I do not want him to build a wall I do not want him to defund planned parent hood and I do NOT want him to repeal Obamacare without an acceptable working replacement.

I also do not want him to defund NASA or environmental agencies.

If he does all of these things he is a failure to me and a success to you.

Not quite.

I don't want him to build a wall, but don't really care either way. The priority should be to secure the borders and implement immigration policy that ensures a growth in the required skill sets that will take the country forward and not increase the burden on welfare.

We agree that an alternative needs to be found for the ACA.

I want him to invest significantly in NASA and environmental agencies. On the environment the focus should be on tangible issues (like Flint) and also on Global Climate issues that can be addressed WITHOUT enriching corporations.

We're not that far apart on what we consider a success of failure.
Of course these are just a few of the criteria.

Wow, i can't believe i have that much in common with UKTruth

Yeah, something tells me it's the broken clock rule.

Lol, no, it's the 'have a conversation' rule as opposed to have a 'war of words' rule.
I am happy with either, but happiest with the conversation. It's rare to find one though.

a reply to: Brett83
saying you unsuspectingly grab women by the pussy bc you are rich is NOT typical locker room banter talk.

Its self-absorbed narcissistic stupid talk

and believe me, I have said some pretty raunchy things, however, all legal and respectful

a reply to: veracity

It is locker room talk from 12 years ago. Because he doesn't actually do it. You should hear some of the # I have said but I would never do it in reality and I respect women ALOT. He was talking # like everyone does at times.
He who is not guilty of sin can cast the first stone. Is that you?

All speech is legal missy

originally posted by: dan6628
more than a lot of us are a little put off with the gun owners in america these days. not because we're against the 2nd amendment...but because they won't do anything to join the fight and protect the country they're currently enjoying living in..they don't stand up in outrage when a gunman kills americans. they aren't policing their own social groups and gun shows. instead they decry 2nd amendment outrage at america and call for more access to guns that's already torn our country to shreds...

Just wanted to offer an alternate perspective on your quote above... 

How much can we realistically expect from regular American Muslims? Couldn't the same accusations and unrealistic expectations and blame be placed on gun owners? Do gun owners somehow have an inside track knowledge to gun violence before it happens?

Just be realistic... if we need to spy on all Muslims and hold them all accountable for jihadi violence, then why not spy on all gun owners very closely and hold all gun owners accountable for gun violence?

Maybe the answer is not that easy.

originally posted by: Brett83
a reply to: veracity

It is locker room talk from 12 years ago. Because he doesn't actually do it. You should hear some of the # I have said but I would never do it in reality and I respect women ALOT. He was talking # like everyone does at times.
He who is not guilty of sin can cast the first stone. Is that you?

All speech is legal missy

of course all speech is legal, just his supposed "locker room banter" speak is disgustingly stupid and narcissistic. Says a lot about him.

originally posted by: Brett83
a reply to: veracity

It is locker room talk from 12 years ago. Because he doesn't actually do it. You should hear some of the # I have said but I would never do it in reality and I respect women ALOT. He was talking # like everyone does at times.
He who is not guilty of sin can cast the first stone. Is that you?

All speech is legal missy

It's legal to say, not so much legal to do.... regardless, he revealed himself to be a douche bag in that moment. But of course, he also revealed himself to be a douche bag when he said he uses his power as pageant show owner to walk in on young women naked in their dressing room. Our president is a piece a sh#t scum bag.... 

can it be because of security being tighter and procedures to get there slower since the rise of terrorism and the incitement from CNN to kill Trump before inauguration ?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Brett,

call it what you want, its just more proof that he's a total idiot scumbag.

And anyone who supports or defends this is an idiot scumbag that does not deserve respect as well.

originally posted by: heineken
can it be because of security being tighter and procedures to get there slower since the rise of terrorism and the incitement from CNN to kill Trump before inauguration ?

Could be many things but all signs point to he's not a popular president

he got us out of tpp already...that's a real policy that's good for usa. i'll assume since your degree is in economics and you mentioned predictive modeling i hardly think you've strictly used the p/l statement in predictions, i have to assume all of your businesses have been service oriented? i too am in a client services field, and surely you can recognize the myriad of differences from an industry like ours and one of manufacturing...not only are those differences magnified when looking globally, sometimes you have to put your country's best interest ahead of trying to make everyone else happy. like with mexico who has car manufacturing contracts with the world with little to no tariffs from american companies with american executives enjoying the view from above while cutting the wallets of more americans every year. it's time someone called them on it. and the auto manufacturers had to start playing on the same field as the rest of us. they've been selling us faulty test reports on safety issues and emissions for years and we've been buying junk while they took our bailout anyways. now the bill has come due. or china..and it's decade's long hold on renminbi to keep it's value higher than usa's. since before the election and trump looked like a solid candidate it's taken a tremendous dive because they've not only devalued it themselves it's expected purchasing power of foreign currencies is predicted to be less than .50c on the dollar. if not utterly useless when all is over. looks like they've been over reporting incoming cash to underpay for foreign debt for years. that's sounds like a win for us
reply to: Indigo5

originally posted by: dan6628
he got us out of tpp already...that's a real policy that's good for usa.

He got us out without a follow-up plan

The American Soybean Association (ASA) said in a statement yesterday that the partnership held “great promise” for soybean growers and that members are “very disappointed” to see the U.S. withdraw. The U.S. is expected to export 2.05 billion bushels of the 4.31 billion it produced last year, according to the Department of Agriculture.

The National Cattlemen’s Beef Association (NCBA) also was disappointed in the decision to exit the partnership, and Trump’s assertion that the U.S. will leave the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

“TPP and NAFTA have long been convenient political punching bags, but the reality is that foreign trade has been one of the greatest success stories in the long history of the U.S. beef industry,” the NCBA said in a statement. “Sparking a trade war with Canada, Mexico, and Asia will only lead to higher prices for American-produced beef in those markets and put our American producers at a much steeper competitive disadvantage.”

www.agriculture.com...

By some estimates, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) would have provided an annual $4.4 billion boost to U.S. agriculture. President Donald Trump says he can do better, signing an executive order Monday morning to leave trade deal negotiations.

The news agitated several farm groups, who responded with a series of statements.

Farmers hoping for a fast replacement negotiated by Trump will have to be patient, according to Farm Journal Foundation senior policy adviser Stephanie Mercier.

“He says he’s going to get a better deal, but he hasn’t indicated what that means yet,” she says. “These things take time. It could take two or more years—if it happens at all.”

www.agweb.com...

Former US Trade Representative: Ditching TPP ‘devastating’ for farmers
"We're now going to be competing against other countries who are going to reduce over 18,000 tariffs. Those tariffs will now stay in place for the U.S.," Ron Kirk, who was the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) from 2009-2013, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Tuesday. "This is going to be devastating for American farmers and ranchers and businesses."

"It's the equivalent of building the largest duty-free shopping zone in the world and then declaring we don't want to participate," he said

www.cnbc.com...

Agriculture futures markets are already reacting...

This will benefit Australia, and Asia competitors...Hurt US Farmers..

BTW - The TPP needed tweaking and improvement, but killing it without a replacement leaves a hole where US Farmers used to be that Farmers in Australia and Asia will gleefully fill.

Similar to Obamacare...Trump is killing things without a replacement ready..

That is near term economic pain for all kinds of people..

i'm not saying we need to spy on all the muslims. not once did that come out of my mouth..i am not a proponent of the patriot act or the wild west ways it's been interpreted in secret to violate 4th amendment rights. criminal, muslim, or whomever. that's a constitutional violation of the highest order by people who've sworn to defend it and they know it. what i'm saying is, maybe they could be more like what happened here in louisiana when the flood hit. people drove from all across the state to help baton rouge, not because it was expected.. but because there were americans in trouble and that's what we do. i recognize it's not what they're used to if they weren't born here, and i recognize that no matter what race or religion or nationality, there's always a random turd in the punch bowl who goes unnoticed. that's just math. but maybe if people actually started to feel like the immigrants wanted to celebrate the country they've come to. it would go a long way in helping. every week now, it's american flags on fire, or mexican flags waving, or a cleric damning us for some perceived injustice. and to answer you about gun owners not understanding the need to get a grip on gun violence, i haven't met a single one i would call normal who doesn't believe it needs to be addressed. i'm not talking about the guys armed in a walmart like they're on a patrol in fallujah. i don't believe there's any need for an american citizen to be grocery shopping in body armor and a sling mounted rifle. and i don't know any combat veteran and parent that wouldn't find that inappropriate and dangerous. especially considering most seem poorly trained, or been less than honorably discharged from some service branch. what i do believe is we should start enforcing the laws already in place. and that before we start jamming more laws and regulations into the mix, we suss out where they're failing and why. like you would a manufacturing assembly line. you stop and find the problem you dont just jam more on the convayer to account for the expected losses. like why aren't straw purchases being watched and reported on? we arrest people who sell alcohol to minors..why are these dealerships not being looked at when we know it's a problem. get rid of the bad ones, take away their ability to sell weapons and throw em in jail enough and people will get it. and all the interagency bs we're constantly having to find out about when one of these people loses it. why is it we can find a guy in a cave halfway around the world, but we can't get one department to tell another one down the same city block that something isn't right and should be looked at further. these days that always seems the case. a major red flag that could've prevented an incident wasn't shared with other agencies. maybe citizens need to start learning what weapons look like and being punished for reporting an armed man with a gun and it turns out it was nothing, but he lost his life. sort of like yelling fire in a movie theater..in today's climate, if you call 911 and say he's armed, it almost always escalates to gunfire. that caller, who just put that unarmed citizen's life in real jeopardy, in my opinion should have to face some sort of negligent homicide charge. you don't just call gun on people to the police. to: spiritualzombie