Zuckerberg Files Lawsuit Against Native Hawaiians to Force Land Sales

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So youre saying the article is false?

Yeah.
First word of my first post. Right?

I really dont know the ins and outs of how land and stuff works over there, but I have heard of really wealthy people doing sorts of things like this..

Yeah. Well. Don't believe everything you hear. I posted a link to an in depth explanation of exactly the situation.

Thanks for the advice, I like to think im pretty objective....

Thanks for the link Ill read up on it!

i hope a rich benefactor who cares about the natives gets this tied up in court for 10 or 20 years.

a reply to: tribal
It would be the hui of "natives" who tie it up. But there isn't much to tie up, actually.
If one of the "natives" who own a parcel wants to sell, it's a done deal.

a reply to: Phage

its good to see someone not jump straight on the hate wagon. thanks for the research and links to articles that clear it up. the way the media is framing it seems to be 180 degrees from the truth

a reply to: TheScale

I don't care much for the boy myself. But still...

There you have your billionairs, your philanthropists.

That love all the people soooooo much...

As long as the "rabble" keeps them alone and generates more money for them...

originally posted by: pirhanna
Liberals, zuckerberg is one of yours. Where you at? Silence on aisle one.

I'm not a "liberal" myself (except in the personal freedom sense), but...what does this even mean? Does Zuckerberg vote (D), so other (D) voters are supposed to defend him? Criticise him?

Why would one's political leanings have anything to do with the way people respond to that person's actions? I mean, unless we truly want to be a nation of 2 tribes, blindly loyal to our own and opposed to the other?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: nOraKat

At one time there was not one Haole, and they, Native Hawaiians used to just hang out naked on a paradise island w hot women and all the papaya you can eat.

Papaya come from South America and were unknown to ancient Hawaiians. Unless you were alii life was precarious. Worse if you were wahine makaainana. Hawaiians were a tribal, warrior culture. With battles between moku and ahupuaa being the norm. Bound by a severe feudal kapu system.

The Haole buy up entire parcels of land, and now you cannot even romp on them to enjoy the land, or walk on the beach on most parts.

There are no privately owned beaches in Hawaii. No one can keep you from walking on a beach.

So no one is denied walking on beaches huh? Mr. know it all? You either ignore the fact, or fail to realize that things like this the.honoluluadvertiser.com... go on more than you care to know. you seem to spout everything out like its law and that you know everything. do some research there Phage, just cause its in black and white law does not mean its so. You can be book smart with no common sense, get my drift?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Snarl

Real estate taxes are assessed by the county, not the state.

True, but misleading. The taxes collected go to a variety of entities, the largest of which is the state, usually for public schools. The county assessor is responsible for establishing value. The county treasurer is responsible for collecting the taxes AND distributing them to the various entities that have a share. This includes fire departments, library districts, port districts, and a large share to the state, etc. It is also the state that governs the division of the pie. In my state the state constitution governs this. So yes, the county has a role, but it is more of an errand boy who gets a small cut than a controlling body.

a reply to: gunshooter

In response to this claim:

The Haole buy up entire parcels of land, and now you cannot even romp on them to enjoy the land, or walk on the beach on most parts.

I said this:

There are no privately owned beaches in Hawaii.

Yes. Military installations can deny access. In a few locations.

a reply to: schuyler

True, but misleading. The taxes collected go to a variety of entities, the largest of which is the state, usually for public schools.

Not in Hawaii. (The City and County of Honolulu is a single entity.)

Real property taxes continue to be the primary funding source for the City; these revenues are deposited in the general fund. These taxes, based on assessed values of property, are determined by the rates set for each category of property, including residential, hotel and resort, industrial, agriculture, and commercial. Real property taxes make up more than one-third of the annual revenue to the City and, at the current tax rates, are expected to generate $894 million in FY15.

www.honolulu.gov...


budget.hawaii.gov...

a reply to: gunshooter

First.
In your article it says quite clearly that....

State law requires all beaches remain accessible to the public, and counties must make sure the public can reach the beach in areas where private property dominates.

And...

But the Iroquois Point Island Club, which rents homes to the public, can refuse access to its beach because it is on land belonging to the Navy. Military property is exempt from the state and county beach access rules. The Navy leased Iroquois Point to a private developer for 65 years.

And....

Ward cited other beaches on military property barred from the public including Marine Corps Base Hawai'i and Hickam Air Force Base on O'ahu and the Pacific Missile Range Facility on Kaua'i.

What's the issue exactly?

zuckerberg... he the same guy who was opposed to building that wall...

but than built a wall around his property?


do i say not as i do, type of guy?

a reply to: Phage

Phage man, doesnt surprise me to see you defending this scumbag Zucerberg who literally stole Facebook from the Winklevoss' and Divya Narendra.

Pipe down or I'll start posting more articles on the deadly side effects of vaccines.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Pardon me?
Where have I defended Zuckerberg? I said I don't like him.

What I said was that he cannot force owners to sell.

a reply to: Phage

You mention where papayas come from like that matters..

It does not negate the fact that native Hawaiians have been turned into poverty stricken second class citizens, and that their homeland has been taken away from them.

a reply to: nOraKat

You mention where papayas come from like that matters..

You mistakenly claimed that the makaainana had an idyllic lifestyle. You also mistakenly claimed that they ate papaya.

It does not negate the fact that native Hawaiians have been turned into poverty stricken second class citizens, and that their homeland has been taken away from them.

Yes. Many Hawaiians live in poverty. Many do not. But poverty does not make one a second class citizen. Hawaiians have equal rights and actually have access to some things that non-Hawaiians do not.

The overthrow of the monarchy was indeed a travesty however, it was their own king who began the sell off of the land to foreigners well before the overthrow. That is what the Mahele was. Prior to that the alii had absolute control.The same process which gave Hawaiians the right to own land facilitated the sale of land to foreigners.

Because Hawaii was once a kingdom it is unique among the other states in a number of ways. Private landownership being a "modern" innovation not the least of them.