Is this the emergence of a NWO?...

More like the catastrophic collapse of the NWO, back to the drawing boards.

Brexit followed by Trump, Putin won't play ball and China in the process of military expansionism. No one world govt in sight.

Oh, and the Clinton Global Initiative just went belly up.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

collapse of an old world order, and the emergence of the real NWO, possibly!
all this change has me thinking that this is all set up, its all too historical for me.
and by that i mean, we may be able to look back and say this is where the start
point was.

NWO is here to stay but at least it seems there are some ambitious people standing up to them. I would like to look into how many people Trump is appointing have ties to the Council on Foreign Relations- hopefully less than past administrations

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I saw Senator Warren questioning Betsy DeVos, Trump's Education Nominee and talk about a facepalm moment... I agree and this whole "drain the swamp" thing is BS when his appointees are mostly bankers and other 'swamp creatures'

Yes the NWO is emerging. It's been being planned a long, long time and even if Trump worked against it(I suspect he's not), it would merely be a 4 year hiccup in the plans.
I don't claim to know precisely what those plans are but it involves Soros, Rothschilds, Rockefellers and other Globalist elites. LINK

These elites are driven by Luciferianism/Zionist belief systems including freemasonry which have infiltrated the religions of Catholicism,Christianity,Judaism a long time ago. Link2 (sidenote, I'm an atheist)

It is one of the plans to fill countries with the refugees to further institute the need for a NWO situation. Link3

The U.S. debt is quickly reaching 20 Trillion. Link4 There is no coming back from that. The U.S. dollar will be collapsed and is just being held in place until those in power wish it to drop. It is already expected for interest rates to be hiked substantially. Link5

The ones in power know that a global government is inevitable one day and that the first one to secure that level of power wins. Forever. Once a global power structure is laid into place, it will become exponentially harder to usurp that power very quickly. This race is well underway and has been for some time. It may already be too late to stop them.

a reply to: Davg80

As a 1st Responder.... I hope not either.... We don't have enough of everything we'd need... That's why I even said what I did.. Can't ever be too optimistic about the future..

That's just the time my Commander always says "the fecal matter will hit the oscillating device".Let's just wish us all well... and if needed... we'll be there...

You gotta have hope, you know?

Thank you... Best... MS

The partisan division keeps the citizens at one another throats. More so now than anytime before. On one hand it's good people are talking about politics, as American society has been complacent too long, not addressing issues that should be talked of even from the bottom of the political spectrum locally.

On the other hand with self identity being so tied into the politics they are so conditioned to be defensive to them people are losing friends due to having differing political beliefs let alone are being attacked. All the while, the globalists are looking for ways to keep in control when the masses are distracted by it.

a reply to: dreamingawake

yes its as if ure in a pressure cooker and its gonna blow everywhere, if history does repeat, the western world is overdue a civil war, except it wont be monarchs thats for the chop, it will be conglomerates and politicians.
people are getting angry at each other because they are acting like one another and they hate that part of themselves although never admitting that they are all as bad as each other, its themselves that fuel there own anger because the enemy they hate is looking back at them in a mirror..........................F******** MENTAL.

Scrub that dividing line and direct that hate at the people that are pulling your strings.

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: dreamingawake

yes its as if ure in a pressure cooker and its gonna blow everywhere, if history does repeat, the western world is overdue a civil war, except it wont be monarchs thats for the chop, it will be conglomerates and politicians.
people are getting angry at each other because they are acting like one another and they hate that part of themselves although never admitting that they are all as bad as each other, its themselves that fuel there own anger because the enemy they hate is looking back at them in a mirror..........................F******** MENTAL.

Scrub that dividing line and direct that hate at the people that are pulling your strings.

For some they become what they hate. For others, and maybe it's unknowingly. It's pretty damn sad it has come to that. It also, unfortunately validates the worst of the worst types so they commit violence, racism/hate crimes and on the opposite side faked hate crimes, etc., without repercussion due to their own convictions.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Joshuabennone

All of politics is a game being played by unknown hands. In the present instance, it is a carefully orchestrated strategic move of reverse psychology pulled upon a whole nation. We can suspect that Trump is the puppet catalyst allowed to win ( by hook and crook some say). His somewhat old conservative methods and bluster will alienate many standard conservatives (if not already done) and set them adrift.

This segment of voters will start to question their old, standard ideology and actively seek a new direction not necessarily by switching to the other party, but toward what seems best for the country, despite the old rules.

The revamping of Obamacare into a successful program--under Trump's "guidance"--will be a major factor in changing the minds of many Americans toward socialism. In the final result, Trump will have facilitated the conversion of thought with less controversy than had Hillary had her sordid history put her in the position to have drastically overhauled Obamacare to make it work. (It does not deserve to be called the joke of its official name.) At any rate, Trump may well turn out to be the most hated president since...Obama.

I think that his pardons may be the biggest reason for people to hate him today, but he was a solid President and the people who hated him were mostly racists, Republicans or African Americans who illogically thought that a black President could stop racism and prosecute police brutality in a local governments jurisdiction and thought Obama was one of them because he was Mulato.

But Bush 2 was FAR more hated, and Obama well respected by even Boehner, who made deals that would have then did cost him his job.

He actually seems to be a reasonable guy I couldn't stand until HBO did a special on his relationship with Obama which was not popular with Republicans.

Either way Barry O did a great job, imo, my life didn't get worse, he had huge obstacles implementing the affordable health care act and got people who had none, health insurance.

I didn't need it, but many did, and will lose it because Republicans don't want it and have no real plan other than repeal.

Could be a co-dominion THEN a US LED NWO.
NO ONE would deploy under a Russian command, but they would for the US.
We should start a foreign Legion as well.

a reply to: Aliensun

a reply to: dreamingawake

I too think that it is all a set up, every country is set up, i see division everywhere, there's division in every facet of society,
religion, race, sports teams, schools, borders, left, right,north, south, east,west,red, blue. Its as if it is all done deliberate, i get the feeling that its either, us that's doing it to ourselves, through some sort of unconscious way of strengthening us thus evolving us, or there are powerful people that know how this unconscious works and use things like the nocebo effect to stress us, knowing it is making us stronger. But it is destroying the weaker of us....... just my theory.
i find it strange that people that talk of changing the establishment and point out the real problems,die!!
like JFK, for trying to mess with banks, and i think one of the most important tools for influencing consciousness is music,John Lennon didn't last too long after these lyrics
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one.

Bob Marley, didn't fair too well after these ones,
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? Ooh!
Some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fulfill the book.

And Tupac was starting a movement with his views and music.
I see no changes. All I see is racist faces.
Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races we under.
I wonder what it takes to make this one better place...
let's erase the wasted.
Take the evil out the people, they'll be acting right.
'Cause both black and white are smokin' crack tonight.
And only time we chill is when we kill each other.
It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other.
And although it seems heaven sent,
we ain't ready to see a black President, uhh.
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact...
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks.
But some things will never change.
Try to show another way, but they stayin' in the dope game.
Now tell me what's a mother to do?
Bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you.

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Aliensun

a reply to: dreamingawake

I too think that it is all a set up, every country is set up, i see division everywhere, there's division in every facet of society,
religion, race, sports teams, schools, borders, left, right,north, south, east,west,red, blue. Its as if it is all done deliberate, i get the feeling that its either, us that's doing it to ourselves, through some sort of unconscious way of strengthening us thus evolving us, or there are powerful people that know how this unconscious works and use things like the nocebo

Nocebo effect, going to have to look that up. Assuming you didn't mean placebo, but I don't think you did. So if... thanks for the addition to my vocabulary, sounds interesting.

The subconscious is well studied and incorporated into advertisements, I don't know how unconscious, which is similar to temporary non existence from the perspective of one who is unconscious, could be used to strengthen us in the manner you described.

Maybe you could explain that for me.

effect to stress us, knowing it is making us stronger. But it is destroying the weaker of us....... just my theory.
i find it strange that people that talk of changing the establishment and point out the real problems,die!!
like JFK, for trying to mess with banks,

He went after every sinister cabal and though all but ignored today made a speech about secret societies, secret proceedings and the tight grip they hold on world governments similar to Jackson's "den of vipers" comment about the then central bank.

People who he would have been talking about today, the descendants of these secret cabals, will spare all logic in trying to convince anyone who mentions it that because he was a K of C, not a secret society at all btw, he couldn't have been against secret societies. Ignoring both the limited importance it had for JFK compared to the members of the sinister cabals, and the fact that men are capable of changing heart in light of newly learned facts that come with being a President.

But it is a desperate attempt at convincing people of things just obviously not true. If he was for the cabals he would not have been killed, Oswald WAS a patsy and killed because he would have spilled the beans by a man who was a virtual pinky ring to Giancana and the New Orleans outpost of Dallas' local boss who was a soldier for Marcello, who employed Oswalds uncle and was a CIA attache'(?) along with Trafficante and Giancana, Roselli and by extension the bosses of Giancana, Accardo and Ricca.

Which by involving made a neat conspiracy theory that the mob and CIA killed Kennedy, when they couldn't even get Castro, harder to kill because his own body guards weren't in on it, but nevertheless that Kennedy threatened to splinter the CIA is a fact, as is his stance against secret governments and societies that control them.

and i think one of the most important tools for influencing consciousness is music,John Lennon didn't last too long after these lyrics
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one.

Kind of sounds like a good idea, if not for the pro globalization anti religious undertones that define what he sounds (not to me) like he is speaking against but is speaking for.

Let us not forget the admiration for Crowley by the Beatles either. A sign of allegiance imo.

Although I don't doubt he was assassinated by a man who underwent torture to fracture his personality so he can't remember why he did it, same goes for Sirhan.

Bob Marley, didn't fair too well after these ones,
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
'Cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? Ooh!
Some say it's just a part of it:
We've got to fulfill the book.

And Tupac was starting a movement with his views and music.
I see no changes. All I see is racist faces.
Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races we under.
I wonder what it takes to make this one better place...
let's erase the wasted.
Take the evil out the people, they'll be acting right.
'Cause both black and white are smokin' crack tonight.
And only time we chill is when we kill each other.
It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other.
And although it seems heaven sent,
we ain't ready to see a black President, uhh.
It ain't a secret don't conceal the fact...
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks.
But some things will never change.
Try to show another way, but they stayin' in the dope game.
Now tell me what's a mother to do?
Bein' real don't appeal to the brother in you.

Pac and Marley were righteous dudes, Tupac was a real artist with several talents, one being influential and he went from political MC to gangster rapper and regretted it, wanted to do what Kennedy did.

And was allegedly tired of men like Quincy Jones propositioning him for sex, wanted out and was taken out. After threatening to go public with certain things and harass the establishment during election times.

a reply to: Joshuabennone

yeah mate, the "amazing" thing about the nocebo effect is that it was discovered much later, and that in itself make no sense, cause it basically is its opposite.
This article is very interesting on the subject...
www.psychologytoday.com...
i noticed from a young age, and have wrote about it before, but when i read the above link, it just cemented my belief further.
The collective unconscious which was postulated by CJ Jung, i hold close to being an absolute truth, and can explain every paranormal conspiracy with substance out there.
Mass of consciousness/thought in something like Jesus for example, (although i dont believe the man existed) the consciousness of the belief is all powerful.
The placebo/nocebo works because we believe.

a reply to: Joshuabennone

how can it be used to strengthen us?
like everything that evolves it evolves because of consciousness, even in nature.... i have one or two firm beliefs btw, everything else are theories, but if you imagine how plants grow stronger the more they are exposed to the elements/stressors,
animals are the same, survival of the fittest and all that. i think it is the same for everything, its like how human brains evolved for us to become top dog on this planet. now if you look at all the negative stimuli in the media, Cancer awareness and all that,
these type of things are all too prevalent.
There is a change in consciousness apparent these days, there have been massive changes all over the world, and i feel this is just the start, Trump spoke of technological advances and space, and i reckon that Hillary was so desperate to win because she knew that whoever was gonna be President, was going to get all the kudos for the emerging technological advances talked about, my theory anyway!

Just watch who the handlers are.
Infowars did a report on Trump meeting Kissinger in New York. Notice how the picture and video show one common face; that being one of haSatan's errand boys, ready to transform either Trump or Pence into their NWO antichrist on 23rd September 2017.


A picture says a thousand words as to why ISIS had to be terminated. On 3 Feb, 2016 buddies Kissenger and Putin met to add new grease to the NWO cogs.


On Inauguration Day, Revelation 12:1 occurred in conjunction with Jupiter that was in the star system Virgo. In 9 months time, the antichrist will emerge. 3.5 years later, he is going to be ramming the Mark of the Beast down everyones throat after naming himself god.

a reply to: Tristran

i have heard of that before but the only sources were for me not reliable, so is it true, that virgo is going to be pregnant and i heard it was november that it would be born, i have had a little drink, so my posts will be even harder to follow lol, but can you post me something that verifies this aliggnment as i heard it was a first known time it has happened but bears striking resemblance to the christ story..
only this time it is venus being born..... the morning star.... lucifer.. the bringer of "knowledge".... im sure Trump mentioned sharing of "knowledge" in the speech

a reply to: Tristran


You know those guys, evil as they may be, don't actually serve the devil right?

I mean they probably don't even believe in Christianity and without Christianity there is no Satan, unless they are Muslims.

Jewish Satan is not the same as Christian Satan and plays a small role in the Tanakh and practically none in the Talmud unless you conflate Satan with Samael, but I don't think that is accurate at all to do so, though it is done by some.

Jews call the adversary the "evil inclination" so it's more of a concept, same goes for Islam, there is one religion whose god is Satan.

Christianity. Many Satanists don't believe in Satanism either though I was not thinking about them.

If Trump is not a Christian or anyone for that matter, they can't worship Satan, Christianity is the religion of Satan.

That's how smooth the old serpent-goat is!

a reply to: Davg80

I read some Jung today on Abraxas, I am a fan because of his love for Gnosticism, I've read the books myself and I have yet to really delve into Jung but plan on it for sure.

Did you say unconscious and mean conscious? I think that is what threw me off.

a reply to: Joshuabennone

yeah, you should check out jung and the occult, and yes i mean a collective unconscious that is not conscious to us but has all of consciousnesses history if you like stored inside it, and is prevalent in humans through impulses and natural ingrained responses, its a touchy subject that has barely been scratched however, with no methods of testing its validity.

a reply to: Davg80

Like an Akashic record?

I am a fan of the concept, believe it can be tapped into. But tell average Joe about it and you will get a funny look at the least.

I think it is what was meant by the halls of Amenti talked about by Theosophists and the like. I believe in it more than the collective conscious concept because collectively the world is not on the same page at the time.