A question about the Sign of the Cross..

a reply to: metalholic

Who the hell ever said women are to be man's equal?
Woman are to be held in the highest reguard by men to be adored and admired respected and loved falling just short of worship...
But the curse to work the earth to provide and to feed a man's family was his alone...
God did not intend for women to HAVE to enter the workforce nor did he say they could not...
Just what are equal rights anyway? When does the scale tip off balance?
There is an old saying... "give an inch... Take a mile"
You can see the truth in this statement as you look towards the changes in society...
Equality has gone awry run a muck and stained the very fabric of society and because of it the norm of old has become the oppressed...
And freaks rule... sin filth scum murder adultery terror war lies hate homosexuality etc are the new norm...
But people still complain and want more equality...
And wonder whats wrong with the world?
SMH*

a reply to: metalholic

oh kay ......

a reply to: doobydoll

most valuable response I have gotten

a reply to: 5StarOracle

maybe the world is remove old policies and accepti new ones? maybe the cleansing is here?

a reply to: luciferslight

The changes made have done nothing to with cleansing...
It has brought about a perversion of normalcy...
There is nothing wrong with right and wrong and a belief system which sets a standard to be adhered to by society...
Aside from women having certain rights accepted and freedom from oppression because of the color of skin... Well im afraid all the rest thats being pushed and accepted does little more than muddy the water's...
The world is a mess and its not becoming cleaner...

a reply to: luciferslight

I believe it to be in the same vein as with your Our Fathers and the other gibrish. God and Jesus could care less about it. Anything that is simply repeated over and over, whether an action or saying words, is meaningless.

Mathew 6:7
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

A female is god!

If men are not equal then men have no respect for themself and if you have no respect for yourself women sure won't respect you.

a reply to: metalholic

I think you are confused by what I said for whatever reason...
I never said men and women are or are not equal...
Nor did I say they should be equal...
Instead I was saying more that men should be men and women be women...
The saying all men are created equal is a bunch of bull.. Each and everyone of us are unique just as different with inherent abilities and limitations as we are genetically...
Yet I believe in equal opportunity for all...

To your analogy on respect...
Respect is reciprocal or earned... You get it by giving it or by displayed merits which garner it...

a reply to: luciferslight
Why can no one just give you an answer? Why all the silliness?

How to Make the Sign of the Cross (As Roman Catholics Do)

Using your right hand, you should touch your forehead at the mention of the Father; the lower middle of your chest at the mention of the Son; and the left shoulder on the word "Holy" and the right shoulder on the word "Spirit."

How to Make the Sign of the Cross (As Eastern Christians Do)

Eastern Christians, both Catholic and Orthodox, reverse the order, touching their right shoulder on the word "Holy" and their left shoulder on the word "Spirit."

Link to Catholicism.com
The link also has some other information if you are interested.

In the Sign of the Cross, we profess the deepest mysteries of the Christian Faith: the Trinity—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

Well... In relation to northerners, the southern hemisphere cross doers are practicing what you are theorizing. The reality is that up, down, and side to side are whatever direction you wish it to be. Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

I grew up in churches, and concluded that they were advising me how to move forward with life yet went about inspiring people in a backwards fashion...

The sign of the cross is a powerful thing and instantly recognizable.

originally posted by: luciferslight
a reply to: doobydoll

most valuable response I have gotten

Thank you.

We are all each a piece of light that is emanating from the source. If we look toward the source of our light, or any light, we can see the shining Cross
c]

a reply to: 5StarOracle

God did not intend for women to HAVE to enter the workforce nor did he say they could not...

But god allowed woman to reach out and seek enlightenment by eating of the tree; punished both of them. Satan got a bad rap but if he hadn't done its bit there would never have been a need for the pre-existing christ to die.
Determinism or free will?
Yeah doesn't make sense does it

originally posted by: luciferslight
to me it seems like you're doing the inverted cross

Yup, i've noticed this since I was a teen, if it was a proper cross you'd have to actually do "Spectacles, Testicles/Ovaries, Wallet & Watch" but it's mostly seen to be "Spectacles, Abdomen, Wallet & Watch", it could be laziness...

Originally borrowed from paganism(charkas) such as most everything else to do with Xtianity.
The more common Latin Cross:

The Latin Cross also called the Roman, Protestant, Western or Plain Cross Latin Cross The Latin cross (crux ordinaria) is a stipe (upright post) with a patibulum (horizontal beam) inserted at right-angles. It is a symbol of Christianity even though it was used as a Pagan symbol for millennia before the foundation of the Christian Church.

For more specific details on cross variations, See here.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: metalholic

Who the hell ever said women are to be man's equal?
Woman are to be held in the highest reguard by men to be adored and admired respected and loved falling just short of worship...
But the curse to work the earth to provide and to feed a man's family was his alone...
God did not intend for women to HAVE to enter the workforce nor did he say they could not...
Just what are equal rights anyway? When does the scale tip off balance?
There is an old saying... "give an inch... Take a mile"
You can see the truth in this statement as you look towards the changes in society...
Equality has gone awry run a muck and stained the very fabric of society and because of it the norm of old has become the oppressed...
And freaks rule... sin filth scum murder adultery terror war lies hate homosexuality etc are the new norm...
But people still complain and want more equality...
And wonder whats wrong with the world?
SMH*

So, you're going to take care of every single woman who has no money coming in from her husband because GOD intended her not to work?
Maybe multiple sister wives will flock for that.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: 5StarOracle

God did not intend for women to HAVE to enter the workforce nor did he say they could not...

But god allowed woman to reach out and seek enlightenment by eating of the tree; punished both of them. Satan got a bad rap but if he hadn't done its bit there would never have been a need for the pre-existing christ to die.
Determinism or free will?
Yeah doesn't make sense does it

Free will and the bitch went and ate the frigging apple.

Blamed Adam thinking God was stupid.

God kicked them both out and shrunk Adams dick by 5 in".

Planted radical feminism into Eve's head. Made her angry all the time.

Creating democrats just to # with the human race.

Heh! Won't see that in any bible!

Satan just backed away slow.

The centre of the cross represents what there is - presence. But man lives outside presence, in time. Thought is concerned with next and before - cast outside paradise - who was also said to be cast out of Gods presence - Satan.
There is only God - presence - but past and future are what man is full of.
The symbol of the cross has a horizontal line which represents time and the vertical line represents presence.

The light is always present and can appear as stories about someone who can do the future. Stories that begin with 'I will....' but no one can do anything because the present is doing itself. The present is aware and all powerful.

The separate person who appears in the stories in time, must be crucified for God to be realised.

a reply to: Martin75

but is there a difference in doing the opposite? using your left hand and starting with your chest, up?

It would seem to me that the sign of the cross only has symbolic - and so affective - power for the person who subscribes to that belief.

In other words, its silly nonsense to be obsessed with symbols and not the working of your own mind. While symbols are essential and important to the expression of much of what we believe - and so its good to affirm those beliefs through the suggestive power of the symbol - it also seems to derive its meaning from a proper education of the dynamics of our minds. In other words, some people can be epistemologically naive, and seek to manipulate people through the presence of symbols - visual, enactive, vocal or audial - but look where the focus of their mind is: to manipulate others into feeling or knowing in certain ways beneficial to the self.

The whole self-other arrangement is demented - and demented because the mind who engages in such behavior deludes itself with narratives about its allowance to do so - maintained by an overly quixotic belief that dissociates the possibility that they could be forced by some future change of state to expunge themselves of such a way of being, as a function of the relationship between the observer self and the objects it interacts with. Suffering, in short, teaches.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Sanity Check

How bout this possibility:

Maybe symmetry is a normal condition in nature, and so perhaps the minds of humans are meant to express what the psychologist Michael Tomasello calls "self-other equivalence".

Maybe the neolithic - or the start of "civilization" - had powerful effects on the way the Human brain-mind processes feeling relations: offensive, cynical, dissociative and cynical pricks pursuing their own advantage - and opportunistically setting up a belief between one another that socially legitimizes their evil actions - would therefore generate resentment in the other person specifically because the person who acts this way pretends within their own minds that they do not see the incoherency of their actions. Maybe they'll be witty enough to say they "are aware" - but don't care. In which case, it is precisely that nochalant attitude - that lack of a feeling relation - where they are "metabolically off" i.e. messed in the head. The reality of the traumatological core of their condition will be dissociated because it contradicts their own self-regulation strategy: to relate to the world 'light-heartedly', which entails never actually paying attention to cause and effect, or caring to conform your actions to promotion of a true reflection of cause and effect.

In shot, feminism is a very normal response to the excesses of masculinistic civilization. That is why males like myself - who have brains and understand how to use them - support feminism and want to empower females in the political process - so that the sanity of their FEELING relations become more and more a part of the public deliberation process.

That is sane. People with your way of seeing things, as I'm sure you pride yourself with, are not very honestly related to the reason for feminism i.e. your unreasonably aggressive nature, and its implicit denial of the social dynamic processes which make your life worth living (i.e. the social affirmation of others actually elicits neurogenic activity in your brain).