12yr old Commits Suicide and Streams it Live on Facebook

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

but the way you present things is how people perceive things. this article in particular goes far out of the way to let the reader know what sites it was on and what sites it can be found on. it makes a big deal out of the video itself. i mean i dont even know how she killed herself but i know where to find out.

a reply to: Djarums

Maybe I'm crazy, who knows but I watched the video. I was more interested in listening to what she could be saying for 40min to understand this story. Instead the video I watched as the very end. It's terribly tragic but I'm glad I watched.

If she wanted to be heard, well I heard her. God rest her soul. Katelyn, I'm so sorry for everything you went through and I'm sorry no one was there when you need it most.

Interesting..

I'm finding the fact she hung herself in the front yard of her trailer where she lived with her mother rather... odd.

Location, location, location. and why..

originally posted by: gottaknow
I watched it. It's sad. She's very sorry.

She wanted others to see it, so I did. It was her final wish and no, I don't believe the video should be taken down. Ever.

I hear where you are coming from, but I feel the need to explain this from the viewpoint of someone who tried it themselves.

Suicide is like a contagion to the mentally ill. If a person is mentally unwell and knows / hears / sees of someone else committing suicide it, it takes on a 'golden' sort of attractiveness to make the sadness and madness go away.

For example, my very own case; My friend's mother hung herself. I obviously knew about it and was not emotionally well myself (I was 16 at the time) I thought it was a great answer to my problems so I tried it. 3 months later another guy at my same school did it, over the same reasons I did.

I have spoken to many affected by the loss of someone through suicide and a startlingly large amount of people tell me that they have considered it as an option after losing someone to it.

So, it is best for everyone that these sort of things are kept quiet and dealt with via a one on one basis. Joe public really has no business beyond morbid fascination in the suffering of strangers.

originally posted by: lostgirl
a reply to: markosity1973

Since the girl was underage, shouldn't her parents have the legal right to have the video removed?

And then too, as her "next of kin" it seems like they would have 'ownership' rights and could get it taken down...

That's a legal debate for politicians to have.

My own opinion is that this sort of material should not be allowed to be duplicated and shared in any way shape or form. It would be very hurtful and possibly harmful to the family to retain this video. See my post before this one about how suicide can be 'catching'

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

But only if you want to find out. I'm sorry you find the article distasteful but nothing about this could be said to be tasteful. All the news articles available say almost exactly the same word for word

a reply to: Cygnis

Be interested to know your thoughts?

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Im sure it does...but I really think too...the youth of today think they are infallible: that they will just get back up tomorrow.

Im thinking perhaps some public and school education about self worth, bullying and perceived self-worth should be addressed in school at a very early grade/age.

That poor child had so much to live for...and didnt even give herself the chance....

Thank you PhylidaD.....Best, MS

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: gottaknow
I watched it. It's sad. She's very sorry.

She wanted others to see it, so I did. It was her final wish and no, I don't believe the video should be taken down. Ever.

I hear where you are coming from, but I feel the need to explain this from the viewpoint of someone who tried it themselves.

Suicide is like a contagion to the mentally ill. If a person is mentally unwell and knows / hears / sees of someone else committing suicide it, it takes on a 'golden' sort of attractiveness to make the sadness and madness go away.

For example, my very own case; My friend's mother hung herself. I obviously knew about it and was not emotionally well myself (I was 16 at the time) I thought it was a great answer to my problems so I tried it. 3 months later another guy at my same school did it, over the same reasons I did.

I have spoken to many affected by the loss of someone through suicide and a startlingly large amount of people tell me that they have considered it as an option after losing someone to it.

So, it is best for everyone that these sort of things are kept quiet and dealt with via a one on one basis. Joe public really has no business beyond morbid fascination in the suffering of strangers.

Glad your still around.

I agree, it's like yawning. And young people now see all the news and 5-minute fame people get from this, her name is talked about more now then when she was alive.

It has a draw, but it is short lived.. The fame I mean.

I check on several of my friends regularly, as i know they have issues. I think everyone should have someone they can do that with, talk with, without worrying about judgment, or chastisement. Hard to find that in this day and age.

Some are still looking for it, too.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Having come up in a family of which one parent married the sexual abuser of a sibling after the fact, and that myself and other family members did not know of this until 10 years after the fact... with all these things and people around you going on, realities change quickly when a sea of brains and energies collide.

The more we let youth alone to the internet and streets, and fail to provide open access community center/charity/educational centers, the more we will learn of these tragedies. Don't allow for a young mind (a humans most powerful tool in life) to mature emotionally then physically, and the children then become the adults... of which have to parent the new incoming minds.

To steer back to my point, the torment this poor injured soul experienced will not be able to be determined as to why she chose the paths she did exactly. I can tell she was a warm soul living in cold shelter regardless of what she experienced. Its too large of an ocean of what if's to analyze the choices one makes... the brain is all too powerful to decipher that stuff.

We can ease these occurrences if we take notice better, apply warm sheltering to our youth, and stop and ask a child that is cold where the leak of warmth is coming from when we see shivering. These horrible things don't stop entirely, but how we apply these learnings to our own place in society can and does change.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

You're welcome

I think such things should be taught by parents encouraged by parents and learnt from parents. We have handed over too much of our own childrens upbringing to the State already. Its not the schools' jobs to mould personalities in my view

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Hmmm I think I agree with that statement, it seems quite possible albeit very final. It seems though the allegations of abuse were only made in the child's diary and on her blog stating that she was beaten with a studded belt and an attempted rape by a male relative. She did also say she had been researching various ways to end her life.

I really do think even though I've not watched the whole video, that this may have been an attention thing egged on by "friends" because as quite rightly said in another post, 12yr olds have no real concept of death its something that happens to old people. Perhaps on the other hand, she was getting a little over excited at the reactions to her stream (whatever they may have been) and felt compelled to finish the sad job

The internet is a *Pandora's box* the availablity of everything at the

finger tips of children (and thats what a 12 year old is)

What parent in their right mind allows a child of twelve to wear so much makeup,

even if it is only at home, the parent has a duty of enforcing/helping her with self

esteem.


There is no childhood for children these days


Porn is accessible, sexting is the norm there are chat rooms for anorexics, and

cutters,to discuss ways and means etc. They incite each other to have sex, and

send intimate pictures of themselves. If they dont conform they are bullied by

those who do, and being short on self esteem and desperate to be in the in crowd

they conform. I know this ..... because my daughter has spent the last six or so

years keeping her daughter on the right track, and she is aware of more than other

parents whos children have suffered in this way.

a reply to: eletheia

Quite

I must be a very old fashioned kinda parent. I forbid all 3 of my children from having computers in their bedrooms, we have no tv and haven't had for 20yrs, we all have a pc or laptop but they are all downstairs in the living room. We surf together lol but there is very little that they could view without me knowing about it. If I had ever caught one of them sexting or sending rude pics, they would be in some serious trouble! They used to get a bit mad but now they are all in their twenties and thirties they appreciate that we continued to be a family. If we wanted to watch something we streamed it onto a tv screen from one of the pcs and we ALL watched it. We ALL played online games together too so it was good fun.

Sticking your kids in their rooms with a computer and tv means a complete lack of knowledge about your child and a total separation in the family unit.

For whatever reason, this kiddie grew up way too fast I think

a reply to: Cygnis

For some, it is about attention - a desperate plea for help.

For others though it is about a 'final solution'

I don't really know the full story of my friend's mother, but the other two of us in my story were after a final solution.

I can vividly remember to this day having the full belief that because of who I am (sexuality) I was a blight on society and God was disgusted by me. (I was raised in a very strict Catholic family) I believed that because the bible taught that being gay is an abomination, I was a walking one and that the best thing I could do was rid the earth of my polluted self.

The other person who killed himself three months after me did it for similar reasons - he had been caught kissing another guy while drunk at a party and someone had taken a photo of it (pre-internet days here) and was showing everyone at school the picture. He did it out of shame because everyone was mocking him for being gay after that.

The only reason one gets to the point of wanting to take their own life is because they feel they have exhausted all other options and there is no hope.

Neither of us lads did what we did for fame nor attention. The irony of it all is that had we actually known about one another, both of us might have avoided what we did by simply having a friend who was going through the same thing.

a reply to: cynicalheathen

Been there, I'm sorry you were.

Not a whole lot of fun to walk in on the aftermath of a suicide, and I've had that dubious honor three times in my life.

Therapy works. Doesn't stop the nightmares, but it does help to deal with them.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

For whatever reason, this kiddie grew up way too fast I think

...and in this day and age of instant access, that's not necessarily a good thing.

a reply to: markosity1973

I commend you for your courage and bravery to put that out there. It does help to put these things in context, however, this girl hung herself because she was sexually abused.

The discussion that seems lacking here is who abused her? Where is this person? Does he get the death penalty?

He wouldn't want me judge and jury.

Very tragic and sad. First off where were the parents? Did they not monitor her net use as children and teens should be supervised on the net. Assuming possibly that they didn't care much for or trust the girl enough in his claim of being abused by family.

This is part of why there were concerns when FB promoted children subscribers. Doesn't FB have a setting that lets one alert suicidal people now?

Can't fathom the mindset of those who enjoyed a child doing this to themselves. Wonder if they can log the ISPs of the sickos that probably egged her on, let alone viewers that did nothing to stop her due to their own twisted need for entertainment.

Abuse victims shouldn't have to go through this in search for help. Same goes with veterans with PTSD, etc. that is not taken care of in this failing health system.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Or even in the courtroom. Death is the only answer to that.

This is tragic and in this case because of the abuse probably inevitable but here is a suggestion if you love your kids my friend has 12 year old kids, twins, they are only allowed to use hand held or computer technology under his supervision and he not the kids has the password he'll relax this when they are 15 and old enough to discern trolls and predators.