Assange will agree to US extradition in exchange for Manning ‘clemency’ - WikiLeaks

Just like Snowden all Assange would get is a kangaroo military court

Russia today sometimes tells the truth,sometimes not

Im not all that convinced that Mr Assange isnt just a CGI hologram at this stage

Curious indeed

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Oh I didn't know about that.

I thought he went into protection to avoid extradition to the US, or extraordinary rendition I suppose.

~Tenth

This is Assanges only way out. He needs to turn himself in. What people have forgotten is that the UK was recently allowed to take a DNA sample from Assange regarding his rape case. They have something on him I think. He's done. The whole charade is done.

Other than being a humanitarian (if you watched his docudrama film), he has no reason to do this.
Let's say he really was emotionally distraught over the fact Manning was found out to be the whistle blower to wikileaks. So Manning gets a pardon, and Assange gets taken by the FBI. Goes through the not-so-just(ice) system and gets sentenced. Then Trump pardons him (I doubt it with all the dirty crap he said about hanging Snowden). We will still extradite him to Sweden after all that. There would be no reason not to. And if we didn't, he couldn't run wikileaks in America, or else risk being brought up on more charges.

My only thought if this is for real - He's already technically in jail, so why not go to a real one. He sits in a room, day after day with nothing but his computer (with internet that gets turned off a lot). His "rec time" is spent on a balcony trying not to be sniped. Why not spend the rest of your days in an actual prison. Less of a threat of murder (he would be in a federal vacation prison), 3 meals a day, and still get to keep his computer in his cell.

It's either a stunt, or he's had enough. Or just more fake news.

a reply to: Rosinitiate


Has America actually charged him with anything ? and I guess he is already there, or at least in some offshore facility. Since Obama is going to Pardon Manning anyway, it would look bad for the androgynous future if he kept him locked up for the rest of her/his life, its as good a reason for any to justify him digitally popping up in America , and anywhere else for that matter.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Lmao, unnecessary layer of complexity? I seem to remember the lady who supposedly was the victim dropped the charges, and was also proved to have ties to a government agency. You REALLY believe Assange went and did something like rape in such a crucial moment of a hugely complex situation regarding the future of humanity? Huh, not sure that your agenda here is to find truth. Your story doesn't add up in the bigger picture. You think, in light of what Assange represents and has done, that something like a FALSE allegation might be hurled at him to either deface or hinder him? Ummm Hello? Anybody home?

a reply to: WorShip


Well they said Trump peed on a Moscow hooker ..so it must be true.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

I like him, a source of true information and that is something the Elite do not like.
The Guy is innocent, the charges are a frame up and nothing more simply to allow his extradition to a territory where his right's will then be abused and he will then be locked away even though he is not a criminal just like the Biko's and Mandela's of the past a true prisoner of conscience locked away by a corrupt ruling elite.

He is not a US citizen so has not commited treason, if they charge him with it they have no jurisdiction to do so, also if they charge him with Espionage they also do not have the right to do so as the information he shared was provided by concerned whistle blower's in there own agency's.

Now he has shown he is a person willing to suffer to save another human being and if anything that is ten time's the egg on the face of his persecutor's and make's them look like something I better not type, filthy nazi like extremists that they are.

He has deliberately not released some information which these whistle blower's provided to him in cases were he felt it would cause true harm and not simply enlighten and bring to justice the corruption that was exposed and so he was NEVER an enemy of the US or any other nation, only of those corrupt element's within them which also happen to be the elite power and financial entity's that have undermined democracy, right's and justice continually.

Whatever happen's now will simply grow exponentially, the US persecuting him if he hand's himself over especially in exchange for that young vulnerable whistle blower's freedom will make him a martyr and a legend to those that campaign for international justice in the world, it will not silence them it will make there voice and there strength far, far stronger.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Rosinitiate

Wow.

That gives me more respect for a guy who was fast loosing it in my eyes.

Bullocks. The guy has a back-channel to Trump, who has assured him that once in office Trump will set him free. So, there's no risk for Julian after the 20th of Jan. Everybody is just gaming the media.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: WorShip


Well they said Trump peed on a Moscow hooker ..so it must be true.

People do all sorts of kinky things. They tie each other up. Whip each other. Engage in all sorts of role play.

After you've had too much sex, it becomes boring without some new twist to spice it up and make it different once again.

The sexual revolution took place back in the 1960's. Today, nothing shocks anymore.

Besides, pee is "anti-sceptic" and a known "medical healing agent"...so maybe Donald was just trying to give her some of his healing powers.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: tothetenthpower

the UK authorities siezed his passport - so his ability to skip the country was limited

again i ask - why not DIRECT extradition UK >> USA ????

sweden = un-nessecary additional layer of complexity

Well. British authorities aren't clever enough to concoct a sham charge to allow him to be detained, if they did that now it would be obvious what they were up to. I daresay if the UK authorities git hold of him they would extradite him. As for the rape claim from Sweden, rape just happens to be one of those things that everyone, and I mean everyone, agrees is a vile crime and should be punished, by trying to get this to stuck they are trying to villainise him in the eyes of some people. I

'll be the first to admit, if these charges come to anything, that I was wrong. Will those of you who feel Assange is hiding from Sweden do the same if that ends up being a crock of bull? I don't think so....

Screw Manning......

Why doesnt he ask for Clemency for Snowden.....Snowden exposed so much illegal activity by the gov I feel like he should be given a medal.....

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Which was?

Thats right, a trumped up pretext to have him extraordinarily rendered from Sweden to the US, all along.

a reply to: TrueBrit

ok - try explaing coherently - why the US didnt just request direct extradition from the UK ?

a reply to: djz3ro

just WTF ????????????

ok - i shall type this slowly and simply :

a popular delusion is that the swedish rape charge is :

" just a ploy to extradite mr assange to the USA "

the problem with this is - as i have explained before

once mr assange is in sweden its no easier to get him to the USA than it is to get him UK > USA

why does no one addresss this ?????

there is no " magic fast track process " from sweden to america

as i have said previously - in this thread - the UK authorities siezed mr assange passport

you do realise that on the day he sought refuge in the ecuador embassy - mr assange was on bail ????

yup - he had been arrested by the UK police - at the request of swedish authorities - then granted bail while appeals against his extradition were hear in court

it seems that a lot of people ignore this

so agauin the simple question :

why not a direct extradition request from the USA demanding that the UK authorities arrest assange and hand him over to US law enforcement ?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
ok - i shall type this slowly and simply :

a popular delusion is that the swedish rape charge is :

" just a ploy to extradite mr assange to the USA "

the problem with this is - as i have explained before

once mr assange is in sweden its no easier to get him to the USA than it is to get him UK > USA


why not a direct extradition request from the USA demanding that the UK authorities arrest assange and hand him over to US law enforcement ?

No need to type slowly sir, I read quickly.

To your argument that you feel no one will touch, allow me. I in fact agree with you to a degree, in that Sweden would simply never comply with a US extradition request in the context its presented now. Precedence in Sweden shows espionage constitutes a political offense as we can see with the Edward Lee Howard case.

That said, it would be obvious to the State Dept. and they would likely draft up a different type of case indirectly related. Play in the gray area, so to speak.

At least that's the argument. As to why the UK didn't offer him up could be similar...legality of extraditing a political prisoner. It's kind of a hot potato.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape

why not a direct extradition request from the USA demanding that the UK authorities arrest assange and hand him over to US law enforcement ?

The woman in the OP's vid said that there are 3 arrest warrants - the Swedes for the rape allegation (which a Swedish Gov lawyer visited and took statements from Assange just recently) and even if the charges were dropped, the RT commentator claims that the UK authorities will arrest him for an outstanding warrant for breaching bail conditions the moment he leaves the embassy and the 3rd is the US authorities for their ongoing investigation into him.

So, given the way the UK and US governments roll, I reckon the directive has been given (by the US) and awaiting to be carried out (by the UK).

She said all that in the last 20 seconds of the vid.

Personally, I think he's terrified of the US Administration over Sweden and I don't think it's coincidence that he appears to be reaching out to Trump for mercy maybe in the hopes that he can be given a fair trial in exchange for Chelsea Mannings clemency.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

which does not address - why no DIRECT extradition request UK > USA ?

why are you avoiding that ?

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Rosinitiate

which does not address - why no DIRECT extradition request UK > USA ?

why are you avoiding that ?

I didn't, see edit.

Who's to say they won't if he ever leaves?