Donald Trump: A Modern Manchurian Candidate?

There is no evidence Russia controls Trump.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: khnum

How so? I'm not letting the fuhrer I can walk. I'm not trying to protect my bodily fluids. I'm not riding a nuclear bomb like a mechanical bull. And I'm not telling to people not to fight in the war room.

Instead I'm telling it like it is. Russia and NATO had a good relationship until Russia invaded Ukraine and broke off ties with NATO. And now Trump is acting like the US was at fault every step of the way.

They invaded and annexed Ukraine?

Crimea is a done deal.

Of course there's countries who are not too happy Russia getting a nugget of their land back.

Of course there's countries who were cool seeing Kosovo taken from Serbia.

Both are in relation.

Except Kosovo was taken from Serbia. Russia along with the majority of the people in Crimea wanted and came back to Russia.

Russia just wanted to avoid Crimea's future becoming a Kosovo.

Instead of then Clinton backed Islamic extremist cells controlling a region (Kosovo), Russia took back in control what would would of possibly been a another backed Clinton (this time facist/anti Russian) puppet control.

The Clinton puppet gripping was loosened.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

Regarding the first report:

FBI, CIA Agree That Russia Was Trying To Help Trump Win The Election
www.npr.org...

Two intelligence sources say the FBI agrees with the CIA assessment that Russia interfered in the U.S. election, in part to help Donald Trump, clearing up any confusion and other reporting that the agencies weren't in sync.

The entire intelligence community, in fact, is now in alignment that the hacks were partly motivated to try and install Trump as president.

Regarding the decision to brief Trump on the second report:

FBI, CIA, DNI, NSA all agreed: Tell Trump about explosive Russia claims
www.miamiherald.com...

Regarding the British intelligence agent presumed to be responsible for the report:

Christopher Steele, Ex-Spy Who Compiled Trump Dossier, Goes to Ground
www.nytimes.com...

LONDON — Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence agent who prepared the dossier on Donald J. Trump’s supposed activities in Russia, has gone underground.

According to neighbors and news reports, Mr. Steele hurriedly left his home in Surrey, a county southwest of London, on Wednesday to avoid attention or possible retribution once his identity as the author of the dossier was revealed, first by The Wall Street Journal. The Journal reported that Mr. Steele had declined its interview requests because the subject was “too hot.”

Of course, his intelligence firm has neither confirmed nor denied Steele wrote the report:

Mr. Steele, 52, was a longstanding officer with MI6... ...started a private research firm, Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd., with Christopher Burrows, now 58. Mr. Burrows has refused to confirm or deny that Mr. Steele and Orbis wrote the memos that made up the dossier...

The writing's on the wall.... The real unknown is how much of Steele's report is true, if any.

So a US report says that Russia interfered by giving out information (most of the information we speak of was true and real). Some fake news stories, and some online trolls... 

Correct. It has been concluded that Russia is responsible for leaked information and also engaged in using disinformation spread by Russian trolls in an effort to hurt Clinton and also to help Trump.

...and now Trump is bought by him according to your OP.

Where did you take that leap? The OP mentions 2 reports that are out. I've carefully explained both... and the question remains how much in the second report is true. If some of the report is true it does put Trump into question....

You took quite a few leaps...

Not really... The whole point is this puts some pretty serious questions out there about Trump.

And you included a report done by a private firm in the UK as if that couldn't be biased and agenda based.

By a former longstanding officer with MI6, who started a private research firm, Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd. It was absolutely agenda based. The whole point of the second report was to dig up dirt on Trump. That's what the guy was hired to do, and dirt is what he delivered. That's how a reputable intelligence firm works. You gain a reputation for delivering reliable intel-- and this guy apparently has a solid reputation. That said, the report has not been verified by U.S. Intelligence. So we don't know if it's true... but it appears that a reputable intelligence firm put it together, and the author of the report is now in hiding.

This is no different from the ludacris birther movement.

You're comparing the birther movement to these 2 different intelligence reports? One of which is completely backed by U.S. Intelligence agencies (unlike the Birther movement). And the other report, by a reputable intelligence firm, which is neither confirmed or denied by U.S. Intelligence?

It's a bit different, my friend. But it's okay... We can agree to disagree.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Russia did meddle, as for we regularly. Don't forget we project a good amount of media across the globe.

You're implying Trump is in on it though, no proof.

Also, a good amount of the cabinet is very vocal about their less than fond opinions on Russia (excluding Rex who I'm not a fan of).

Even Trump has changed his tune when speaking of Russia. You don't help the cause when you exaggerate these reports that should be taken seriously by spinning them.

I'm not saying the first report is not real or true. The second one needs to be verified, but my point is this is strong rhetoric just like Russia "hacked" the election.

Bottom line.

1. Possible Russian hacking a adminstration within the U.S.

2. A long term now dead U.S administration, being exposed using pay for play, base building agenda.

3. A U.S adminstration that rubbed shoulders with Islamic terrorists, facist etc as a puppet for their agenda.

4. Blame Russia, and Trump putting a stop to it.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: spiritualzombie

You're implying Trump is in on it though, no proof.

The report by Steele implies Trump is in on it. I have said more than once that we don't know what is true in this report. However, it's not hard to imagine it's true based on Trump's own conduct.

Even Trump has changed his tune when speaking of Russia.

As he should.

You don't help the cause when you exaggerate these reports that should be taken seriously by spinning them. 

Where did I spin? By mentioning they exist? By wondering how much of the second report is true?

The second one needs to be verified...

We agree.

All Trump has to do to clear himself is swear at Putin publicly. Call him a thug, a murderer, threaten to start a war with Russia without ever doing it for real. That's what the American public likes to hear.

Every politician has a private face and a public face. In public, Trump should threaten to kick Putin's teeth in. In private, Trump should cooperate with Putin for the benefit of both countries.

Trump has never been in politics. He will need some time to learn the ropes of politics.

originally posted by: JeremySun
All Trump has to do to clear himself is swear at Putin publicly. Call him a thug, a murderer, threaten to start a war with Russia without ever doing it for real. That's what the American public likes to hear.

That wouldn't prove anything.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: JeremySun
All Trump has to do to clear himself is swear at Putin publicly. Call him a thug, a murderer, threaten to start a war with Russia without ever doing it for real. That's what the American public likes to hear.

That wouldn't prove anything.

There is no such thing as proof in politics. As Goebbles said, repeat a lie enough times, and it becomes the truth for the public.

originally posted by: Imhere
Bottom line.

1. Possible Russian hacking a adminstration within the U.S.

2. A long term now dead U.S administration, being exposed using pay for play, base building agenda.

3. A U.S adminstration that rubbed shoulders with Islamic terrorists, facist etc as a puppet for their agenda.

4. Blame Russia, and Trump putting a stop to it.

You made that up

poof

originally posted by: JeremySun
All Trump has to do to clear himself is swear at Putin publicly. Call him a thug, a murderer, threaten to start a war with Russia without ever doing it for real. That's what the American public likes to hear.

Every politician has a private face and a public face. In public, Trump should threaten to kick Putin's teeth in. In private, Trump should cooperate with Putin for the benefit of both countries.

Trump has never been in politics. He will need some time to learn the ropes of politics.

Remember, the Clinton machine that cleverly used a tactic.

Twiddling their fingers around:

Islamic extremists.
Fascists.
BLM.

And whipping it around like spaghetti on their fingers at the dinner table.

But with help from MSN, Putin and Russia is the enemy. Trump is a puppet. And anyone who's clearly sees the B.S that's been going on past 20 years is a racist or a "putinista" or both.

a reply to: Imhere

Trump should get out there and demand an immediate and thorough investigation into the second report -- to clear his good name. Lol

originally posted by: banjobrain
The problem is it is too late and very hard to tell, because the GOP and his base did not properly vet him.

GOP, Democrats and the Washington Post spent 10's of millions of dollars vetting Trump; that's not including all other news organizations and journalists looking for dirt on him to "derail hitler". All we got was a 10 year old tape with some dirty talk.

At what point is it properly done? What does it take for him to be vetted in your mind?

originally posted by: CHONGO
Isn't the whole idea of blackmail to get someone to cough up something of value in exchange for information about the target, being withheld?

Do you really think the KGB is so inept, that it would allow any cards it held on Trump to be available to some half arsed MI-5 tosser?

The only Manchurian Candidates I know of are the lone wolf shooters of late, who are no doubt graduates of the CIA, MK-Ultra 2.0 class.

Yes, but this requires some logic. Most people base everything on emotional reactionism. Everything is an emote.

a reply to: Imhere

Yes. Crimea was invaded and annexed. Putin lied about the Little Green Men being his. Then he lied about the reason they were there. Then he lied about the results of the referendum. According to Russia's own Human Rights Council only 30% of the population voted in the referendum and only 50% of those voted in favor. That's only 15% support. Then Putin made it all but impossible for people who didn't wish to become Russian citizens to stay on the peninsula.

These are not the actions one takes when what they're doing is legitimate. And we're not talking about just a few countries that don't recognize the referendum. The only countries that accept it as legitimate are Afghanistan, Cuba, Kyrgyzstan, Nicaragua, North Korea, Russia, Syria, and Venezuela. That's it.

Clearly Obama is the better Manchurian Candidate, uh Candidate. His history is unknown and kept secret. Shaky birth records, missing years in another country, no college records and testimonies from graduation classmates in the same major who have never seen him or heard of him.

Practically everything Trump has done has been recorded. That's half his problem right now.