A Trump supporter's view on what would happen if he 'Betrayed' us.

a reply to: desert

Whoa, that is what banana republics do and dictatorships. Jail/assassinate opponents. sigh... well, I guess there goes my last hope that we haven't gone that low.

So uh...where were you when the big O's irs went after the tea party?

a reply to: shooterbrody

sigh... you're right, maybe now Trump will make mismanagement and poor judgement a crime. What my opinion was of the original event? Too many "advocacy" groups have sprung up over the decades solely to make money for their owners. This was such a time, and the IRS needed to investigate each one, to see if their tax status was applicable. Interesting, the IRS had denied a liberal group; maybe now anti-Trump groups will spring up and the IRS will investigate them, too. I hate groups asking for donations that don't do what they say they do but are rather just a business.

You're probably correct. However, I fail to see how the "chaos of his betrayal" will lead to the collapse of the left. More than likely it will lead to a splinter group from the Republican Party, and a complete collapse of the right.

I also fail to see that anyone on the right will actually care if Trump "betrays" them. There have been warning signs about the PROBABLE Trump betrayal for months and months even before the election.

To understand Trump, you have to remember that no matter WHO the audience is, whether it's a single world leader on the phone or 50,000 people at a political rally, he will always say whatever gets him the most adulation. He said it himself during the campaign "If the crowd is getting a bit dull, I just say 'build the wall' and the crowd goes wild". It's become very obvious that what he says in public is very different to what he actually does in the end.

NONE of his supporters actually stopped to ask "I wonder if he can actually do that" or "I wonder what the consequences of that will be". All they did was cheer when he told them what they wanted to hear.

When he can't do this or that or any of the stuff he said he'll do, his supporters won't blame Trump, because after all, in his supporters eyes he's infallible. They'll blame the Washington "swamp" for not letting Trump do what he wanted.

If Americans REALLY took a good look at how their country was run instead of taking the word of people like Donald Trump, there would be a revolution immediately.

originally posted by: Tiger5

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011
a reply to: nwtrucker

OMG...a businessman comes into the office rather than a talking pundit there is already fear mongering if omg what if he betrays us BS.

Seriously people...get over asking for failure.

Furthermore, the only person that will betray you is yourself. Ex. if you don't have a job, that is your fault. If Trump doesn't create jobs, you will blame him? You have no one to blame but yourself. So get over it.

No! It goes like this Boorish sexist hog and incompetent Business man without any political experience comes into office...

The country needs a shakeup and you fear a businessman vs a corrupt politician working for the establishment???

Incompetent? really?! And do you run an international company named after yourself? I didn't think so...and you have no merit to justify your reasoning as you probably have no clue in this area.

a reply to: desert

So only banana republics can prosecute and jail criminals in their gov't?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: StallionDuck

Agreed.

The issue with "the wall" was never who got the bill.

The issue was strengthening our borders.

The bigger issue is that a wall is nothing more than a speed bump to those who will traverse a deadly desert to cross a border.

(Walks miles upon miles of a deadly desert and comes across a wall. Do you really think that will make them turn back?)

originally posted by: Grimpachi

The bigger issue is that a wall is nothing more than a speed bump to those who will traverse a deadly desert to cross a border.

(Walks miles upon miles of a deadly desert and comes across a wall. Do you really think that will make them turn back?)

Most of the undocumented came through the "tunnels" dug under the border fences, anyway.

They don't travel above ground, because they could be seen. So, the wall would have to dig down deep underground to be effective. And it would have to be built of some hard material that couldn't be tunneled through easily. That would increase the cost of the wall manyfold.

Most likely, the wall will just be built above ground "for show".

And the Mexicans will continue to come through the tunnels.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Let's face it, wall is just a fancy word for the same kind of fence that is already long the border.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: StallionDuck

Agreed.

The issue with "the wall" was never who got the bill.

The issue was strengthening our borders.

The bigger issue is that a wall is nothing more than a speed bump to those who will traverse a deadly desert to cross a border.

(Walks miles upon miles of a deadly desert and comes across a wall. Do you really think that will make them turn back?)

Why wouldn't they? What else are they going to do? At this point, our border patrol will finally be able to get back to work and wont be told to look elsewhere, or give them blankets while they escort them over the line into America.

Hopefully the wall is 20ft high and 50ft deep. I'd also like to see ground pounding machines every 20ft to assure that every tunnel built would collapse on top of it's diggers.

Hell... I'd pay for THAT wall.

Mexico should do the same. Maybe if we vote Trump in a second term, we'll give all of the hair brained cry babies in this country enough motivation to race for the border and file into Mexico the same way they're filing into here.

I find it hilarious when I see people scream and taunt "But he broke all the promises he made!". The guy isn't even officially PoTUS yet and yet he's broken every promise before he's had a chance to actually break them.

"Two main - biggest promises - Make mexico pay - arrest Hitlery".

Neither one of those issues were a factor in him winning. Did I nearly piss myself when he said what he said about Hitlery? Oh hell yes! I want it so much to be true... but I had decided long before that, that this guy should win and give him the chance to do many of the things he said he stood for. Now.. I will wait and see. If he does a fraction of them, it's still 1000 times better than has been done in who knows how long... in the right direction! If he does the opposite, you can bet your ass that he will be held accountable by the republican people. When I say republicans, I mean the right minded people that have been verbally and morally kicked around in the dirt the last 8+ years. You can bet your ass THOSE people will hold him accountable. We're the silent people who don't need to protest, don't need to riot, don't need to burn stuff down... But it's a people who will give credit where it's due and take it away where it's a problem, so long as the other half of the country doesn't interfere. So for you left brained dimwits (and I mean the ones who scream and cry as if their world has come to an end), just sit back and watch and we'll show you how it's done. It's only 4 years. We had to put up with your trash for 8. It's our turn. The least you can do is sit down, shut up and deal with it and see how it goes. If not and you end up wrong, oh... I'm so going to rub it in. So save some face, will ya?

Right now I'm letting yous shed your tears but frankly it's getting old and stale and quite a bit childish. Time to grow up and grow a pair.

So far.. I've seen the dollar strengthen leaps and bounds. I've seen stocks rise and my 401K actually making money for the first time in 4 years instead of loosing it. For people who actually work for a damn living, he's done right by us and he's not even the PoTUS yet but it's BECAUSE OF HIM that things are looking better.

So deal...

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Blarneystoner

Like you have been to our liberties?


Yes, IF. You may position Trump as 'betrayal's'. I do not.
The premise of the thread is his supporters view of betrayals. Not yours. Yours are nothing but a yawner, in my books.

As far as a collective 'man on man' scenario? I would avoid that. I haven't given up completely on some sort of accord down the road. Failing that? Again, a yawner.

Can you explain what liberties you have been denied by the Obama admin? Serious question ...

a reply to: StallionDuck

Hopefully the wall is 20ft high and 50ft deep. I'd also like to see ground pounding machines every 20ft to assure that every tunnel built would collapse on top of it's diggers.

Hell... I'd pay for THAT wall.

That kind of wall would probably be effective, but the cost might be more than the national debt. So you go ahead and pay for it.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: StallionDuck

Hopefully the wall is 20ft high and 50ft deep. I'd also like to see ground pounding machines every 20ft to assure that every tunnel built would collapse on top of it's diggers.

Hell... I'd pay for THAT wall.

That kind of wall would probably be effective, but the cost might be more than the national debt. So you go ahead and pay for it.

Awe, Cmon. I'm sure we can find cheaper labor to build it. I hear there are lots of people lined up at Home Depot and Lowes looking for jobs. It would be kind of cruel wouldn't it? But damn, the irony!

a reply to: Blarneystoner

The first and most obvious is the ACA. The liberty to choose my own insurance company, kind of coverage or not to be insured, at all. I admit some gains, but at the expense of too many liberties.

That is the signal example.

a reply to: nwtrucker

ACA is a breathing tax.

If you exist, you owe the government money.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
Well if anything, here's the first bit you should be mad at.

Trump admitted that YOU are paying for the wall and that Mexico will "reimburse" you after the fact.

That will never happen. Ever. If the GOP congress and senate sign a deal letting him spend all the money, without getting guarantees that there's a reimbursement check in the mail, it's not going to end well for them in the midterm elections.

He's already starting to unravel his BIGGEST campaign promise. But, I do hope it's the trump supporters that go crazy on him, because otherwise, it means they can be told and will believe ANYTHING anybody says, politician or not.

So long as they use the right buzz words at the right rallies.

I really hope that they don't make themselves out to be like every other part of the electorate in your country. Ignorant and apathetic towards anything of substance. Uninterested in anything beyond the next news cycle.

The man is POTUS in 11 days, I hope he does a good job, I hope you all hold him accountable if he doesn't.

~Tenth

If you really think anyone actually believed Mexico was going to all of the sudden hand us 15-20 billion voluntarily to build a wall then you must really think Trump supporters are morons.

NOBODY thought that other than his opponents who were looking for another thing that they could recite to claim proof that Trump is an idiot.

Of course they were always going to reimburse us, and it was not going to be voluntary. He has not broken this promise - because that was never the promise.

Why do you act like it will be hard to get them to reimburse us? We are the dominant economy not them - they need us not the other way around. It is trivial to get the money from them, whether it be border fees, tariffs, or heck probably just discontinuing some aid I am sure we are giving them.

Yes, he will be held accountable if it doesn't happen.

a reply to: DBCowboy


LOL. Well the breathing tax is on life-support...The priest is on route for last rites.....

a reply to: network dude

"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds".

I suppose evolving your view is what intelligent and informed people do. That said, i have zero faith that Trump intends to do anything he said during his campaign. Listening to him, he sounded like a salesman selling something that he wouldn't have to be around to own.

were you when the big O's irs went after the tea party?

Were any of them imprisoned or killed???? No, they were simply investated to make sure they weren't bogus groups, and honestly the whole premise of the Tea party is bogus and they're full of low-lifes so they should be investigating them to not waste tax revenues.

Yes Trump is going to betray us, though he will probably ramp up drilling jobs, so rednecks will love him, even though their water will be poisonous and their kids will get cancer.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Blarneystoner

The first and most obvious is the ACA. The liberty to choose my own insurance company, kind of coverage or not to be insured, at all. I admit some gains, but at the expense of too many liberties.

That is the signal example.

You can choose your own private Ins. company. You can choose what kind of coverage you want as well. But no, you cannot be uninsured and just show up at the emergency room anytime you catch a cold so that the taxpayers can pay for your bill.

Did you know that before the ACA, uninsured people cost the US taxpayer 3.5 billion per year in emergency room visits alone? Did you know that insurance premiums have risen at a lesser rate than they did before ACA?

Did you know that none of your liberties have been taken away under the Obama administration? I bet you didn't...

a reply to: AMPTAH

Actually most of them came in on legally issued visas and then overstayed said visa. No wall is going to stop that.