This Correlation Between Legal Medical Marijuana States and Traffic Fatalities Is Shocking

a reply to: InFriNiTee

And on top of all that, we have individual chemistry and form of ingestion. I've seen quite a diversity in effects just by different people and method of ingestion.

I agree that much more study needs to be done. I wish I could go into more details on that, but maybe in time things will change.

Its difficult to have a productive conversation on some aspects of this topic due to T&C's as well. I think once we move past such silliness, progress will have a better medium to take root.

In my opinion, its quite a strange topic. When dealing with a plant, its tough to really pin down consistent, universal results.

just wondering if the med mj is being substituted for more potent pain killers or such and if that might have something to do with it also???

originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: InFriNiTee

And on top of all that, we have individual chemistry and form of ingestion. I've seen quite a diversity in effects just by different people and method of ingestion.

I agree that much more study needs to be done. I wish I could go into more details on that, but maybe in time things will change.

Its difficult to have a productive conversation on some aspects of this topic due to T&C's as well. I think once we move past such silliness, progress will have a better medium to take root.

In my opinion, its quite a strange topic. When dealing with a plant, its tough to really pin down consistent, universal results.

I dont think you need to worry about t&c quite so much since its progressed to a legally gray area. as long as you dont post graphic details of personal usage anyway.

originally posted by: dawnstar
just wondering if the med mj is being substituted for more potent pain killers or such and if that might have something to do with it also???

I watched a video not long ago about how pain killers are contributing to opioid addiction. cannabis seems to be a relatively safe alternative to opiate based pain medication. but Im not a doctor either, so...

a reply to: dawnstar

Yes, absolutely. I'm able to drastically cut down on the prescription pain meds they give me.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

When I've driven - ahem - under the influence of a herbal remedy it hsa put me in a state of over-caution and slight paranoia, never a bad way to be when driving.

Conversely, when I've driven under the influence of alcohol, feeling that false sense of over-confidence until I realise how wreckless I am being or I've lost control slightly (understeer or oversteer) and the adrenaline rush has put that false over-confidence in check.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Well, I do believe in actually participating in science personally.. so take that as you will

Every moment of every day, I am in immense pain. I ended up designing a research program and I still probably have my notes somewhere.

My conclusions were completely different than the usual, including finding aspects that were just flat out incorrect despite being held as common knowledge.

Insofar as this topic specifically, I think one of the obstacles is how truly diverse the effects of consumption can be, depending on the individual. A lot of it seems counter-intuitive on the surface as well, such as the previously mentioned possibility of increasing driving ability in some individuals. Not just as a result of increased caution or paranoia, but an actual increase in the overall ability and skill in handling a vehicle. Including faster reaction time and improved focus on the activity at hand (including unexpected obstacles, surprisingly), but a tendency to have slower ability to adapt to "out of left field" events, like say, handling a spilled drink.

I find it all pretty interesting honestly. But, I think we have a long way to go in really understanding how it impacts us in general, and individually.

Hope that provides some nuance without crossing the T&Cs

In my experience a stoned driver drives more cautiously than when sober and much more cautiously than a drunk person. You don't lose control when you are stoned and can still make smart decisions.

a reply to: Serdgiam

if you could locate your notes im sure there are many participants in the forum who would be fascinated to see the results of your studies. it would be a shame if the forum ignored the medical benefits of cannabis to the point of ignorance.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So in other words correlation != causation. This is why I took umbrage with the article's title.

Though the article sounds cool...I drive high all the time...I would agree with this sentence. It's almost impossible to prove correlation here. It might be...but there are so many factors to calculate into.

a reply to: peter vlar

Youll make a killing growing for clinics. From personal experience and friends - the cannabis dealers of old still grow and sell. Only now they do it legally and for tax purposes. Lucky smart mofos.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What I cannot understand in the least, is why anyone would consider driving while impaired by either alcohol or weed. I would never consider getting into the drivers seat of a vehicle, unless I was stone cold sober, not suffering from a cold, or on any prescription medication of any sort.

In order to drive a car, it is necessary for ones awareness of space and momentum, not to mention other road users and pedestrian activity to be PERFECT at all times. Not adequate, acceptable, or any other wishy washy half measure of awareness, but PERFECT all the way from engine on, to engine off.

For that reason, you will never hear of me getting high or drunk, and then going for a merry jaunt in a motorcar. The only way weed ought to make a difference to traffic fatality figures, is that less people are driving their cars, because they are getting high in a responsible setting, where they can remain in one place until the effects are TOTALLY finished with, and not because stoners are more careful drivers. If they ARE jumping in the car with a couple of blunts and a bong rip inside them, then they need to be going to jail regardless of whether they cause a hazard to other drivers, because it is only a matter of time before they miss a trick and cause someone damage.

a reply to: LightAssassin

lol.. where I live now, I don't even need to be on any drug to be a little paranoid on the road..
there's too many people doing wild and crazy things on the road....

a reply to: TrueBrit

In order to drive a car, it is necessary for ones awareness of space and momentum, not to mention other road users and pedestrian activity to be PERFECT at all times. Not adequate, acceptable, or any other wishy washy half measure of awareness, but PERFECT all the way from engine on, to engine off.

As human beings I just don't think that is possible. Many of us strive for perfection but it is in our nature to be unable to achieve it.

In the meantime, cannabis generally does not impair ones driving ability whatsoever and in some cases actually enhances it.


Eventually this should be common knowledge because far more often than not it is the truth.

Weren't self driving cars supposed to fix all this, so that we could remain intoxicated 24/7?

Weed slows you done. It just does.

When I am sober I speed and get in a hurry and weave through traffic and actually get irritated with all the slow ass drivers.

When I have "partaken" and drive I am never in a hurry and i dont get mad.

I am actually a safer driver then when I am completely sober.

a reply to: TzarChasm

its also worth pointing out that even without the actual medicinal components of cannabis, the plant itself is more than practical in its myriad applications. why all the focus on smoking when there are other industries just waiting to be blown wide open with the hemp revolution?

Cannibals is readily available, easy to grow, it benefits the many and not in a controllable way, the simple answer is it will affect to many industries that have ties to the government and those that control $$$...

a reply to: JAY1980

HAHAHAAHHAH.

Jezzzuusss MANNN, you nearly killed me there laughing so freaking hard. I owe you one, man that was so funny!!

a reply to: soulwaxer

I agree. It really helps take the thinking out of muscle memory so that you can free up your mind to react to unexpected situations better. It doesn't help if you are starting to learn the skill for the first time as you will mess up quite a bit.

Ive never wrecked and Ive medicated every day for over 30 years. People will smoke regardless of the laws, always have always will. Thanks democrats by the way for federally making CBD illegal, how "progressive" of you.