Obama State Dept: $350K For Campaign Infrastructure Used Against Netanyahu In Israel Election

a reply to: theantediluvian

The grant period was over before Netanyahu called for the election and at the time the money was being given, Netanyahu's public stance was not anti-two state.

You know what's really funny about that, ante? You're saying that Obama influencing the Israeli elections was done in the name of peace, to prevent the destruction of Palestine and prevent an unnecessary war. But you forget that the people you are opining this to are saying that the Russian's hacked the DNC in order to prevent WW3, essentially the same thing.

So why is it ok for Obama to do influence an election in the name of peace, but it's not ok for Putin to do the same thing? Double standard much?

I know... You're going to say that what Obama did was legal and what Putin did was cyberwar.

Let me remind you that I am not included on the Putin sympathizers list. In order for me to have sympathy for Putin in that respect, it would require me to believe that Russia is actually responsible for what Wikileaks published. Which is something I remain unconvinced of.

But I hear Politico is hiring if you're trying to find a place to publish your witch-hunts of an argument.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

You're saying that Obama influencing the Israeli elections was done in the name of peace

He didn't say that at all.

What he said was there was no election taking place in the first place when that money was transferred.


Money transfer >>> November
Call for an election >>> December

a reply to: Hazardous1408

No chance they had intel it was going to happen?

I wasn't following any of that at the time at all so I'm now curious...

a reply to: xuenchen

If the US government actually sought to overthrow Netanyahu, it would spend more than $350k and actually accomplish it.

originally posted by: Tardacus
obviously Obama didn`t feel it was necessary to try to be sneaky and hack computers, he just blatantly funded an open attempt to influence and interfere in another countries election.
maybe he wouldn`t of had any objections to Russia interfering in American elections if they were more in your face about it?

No, he didn't and you didn't read the article.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: xuenchen

If the US government actually sought to overthrow Netanyahu, it would spend more than $350k and actually accomplish it.

How do we know for sure he didn't ?

How much did Putin spend?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Hazardous1408

No chance they had intel it was going to happen?

I wasn't following any of that at the time at all so I'm now curious...

Intel from who?

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
I've said this in other threads, I find it unbelievably hypocritical from Dems to be so irate about Russian "interference" in our election when Obama tried everything he could to get Netenyahu the boot, or to shoot down Brexit. Obama threatened one of our greatest allies saying if Brexit went through we wouldn't be trading with the UK and that they would be placed at the back of the line. Where was the condemnation of Obama from the left?

First of all, this money was NOT to influence any election. I will start there.

SECOND, which seems to elude you, most governments do spend money to influence multiple issues in many countries, mainly just to make their own country look better, though there are other reasons. If YOU are a US citizen, you would know we do this and always have. It's purpose is mainly to strengthen the country.

If another superpower does it against us, though, it is BAD. It is not hypocritical to call it bad, it is just bad. Or at the very least unwelcome.

Most conservatives are nationalists, but oddly, when it comes to anything Obama may have done, they become globalists and particularly enamored with Russia and Israel.

The strangest cognitive dissonance I have ever come across. I really think it is a mental disorder.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
I've said this in other threads, I find it unbelievably hypocritical from Dems to be so irate about Russian "interference" in our election when Obama tried everything he could to get Netenyahu the boot, or to shoot down Brexit. Obama threatened one of our greatest allies saying if Brexit went through we wouldn't be trading with the UK and that they would be placed at the back of the line. Where was the condemnation of Obama from the left?

It's ok when it advances/threatens the Globalist agenda.

Now be a good little peon and ignore all of this.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
How much did Putin spend?

I would guess it was more than 350k. I think that is actually a very good guess and it was to influence an actual election.

a reply to: reldra

Corruption, lies, deceit were exposed from the DNC.

Collusion with MSM, Braille cheating during primaries.

Deplorable, disgusting behavior.

And it is all effectively being ignored.

I have to hand it to the leftists. They have done a great job of obfuscating everything that was exposed.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Hazardous1408

No chance they had intel it was going to happen?

I wasn't following any of that at the time at all so I'm now curious...

Intel from who?

I dont know. Hacked emails???

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: xuenchen

Obamas legacy can be summed up in 4 words: 'I am a hypocrite'

No matter how much conservatives attempt to deride Obama's Legacy, you will not be successful. It is sour grapes. We had a reasonable and very intelligent President. He helped to better civil rights 100 fold. He did have a fine relationship with Putin and worked on it in a way that wasn't 'fanboyish' until Russia started crossing lines. Obama's successes are a very long list.

You don't even live here. The last 8 years were happy. Though, loud mouths and bigots here will still complain about coming out of a recession, among many other great improvements. I am not sure why you join in their chorus.

I think there is an alt right 'movement' in Australia as well. I think it is known as #dingo. God bless you, some Trump is waiting to take over, there too I bet. My sympathies.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: reldra

Corruption, lies, deceit were exposed from the DNC.

Collusion with MSM, Braille cheating during primaries.

Deplorable, disgusting behavior.

And it is all effectively being ignored.

I have to hand it to the leftists. They have done a great job of obfuscating everything that was exposed.

I saw no corruption from the DNC. Donna Brazile was fired by CNN (a favorite punching bag of the right) after they learned she may have given advance information to the DNC.

What you are obfuscating is that both sides acted badly. The worst being the GOP. I am sure they participated in general corruption as much as any party, but they actually ALLOWED this Orange Nutbag to be their Presidential candidate. The failure is on the GOP side, I believe. Most of them have already realized it.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: xuenchen

If the US government actually sought to overthrow Netanyahu, it would spend more than $350k and actually accomplish it.

How do we know for sure he didn't ?

As much as I know it is about 15 degrees F outside right now and I don't have to look it up or stick a thermometer outside. I read the source article.

You can never say I don't care about your issues, I went as far as to look at the source before Breitbart.


er...CNSnews (same thing, maybe worse).

a reply to: Hazardous1408

What he said was there was no election taking place in the first place when that money was transferred.


Money transfer >>> November
Call for an election >>> December

Sure. But when the grant money was allocated is irrelevant. The fact remains that the our current sitting POTUS attempted to thwart the reelection of Netanyahu in Israel. And he did this with tax payer money.

Even if he did it with his own money, it would still be the POTUS influencing the election of a foreign nation, and a huge ally no less.

I had to add: I was leaving the thread and had a bunch of windows up. One was that CNSnews. It autoplayed a video with the crosseyed Jeanine Pirro saying "Why do you think our President hates us so much....." I was scrambling to close all windows. She is like nails on a chalkboard saying crazy things at the same time.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Hazardous1408

What he said was there was no election taking place in the first place when that money was transferred.


Money transfer >>> November
Call for an election >>> December

Sure. But when the grant money was allocated is irrelevant. The fact remains that the our current sitting POTUS attempted to thwart the reelection of Netanyahu in Israel. And he did this with tax payer money.

Even if he did it with his own money, it would still be the POTUS influencing the election of a foreign nation, and a huge ally no less.

No, he didn't. The article clearly states it was a normal grant to 'One Voice' One Voice later gave funds to various groups. Have you any idea how many grants the US government gives?

Do you picture Obama sitting at his desk, feet up, and saying "Bwahahahaha....I will give 350k to OneVoice and it shall then spell netanyahu's doom!!!"

Oh come on.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: xuenchen

I'll quote myself from another thread:

The money that was spent $230k for Israel (OneVote Israel) and $120k for Palenstine (OneVote Palestine). Palestinians in the Palestinian Terroritories don't vote in Israel's national elections. All that money went to OneVote and was spent prior to November of 2014.

That's significant because Netanyahu didn't call for early elections until December of 2014. OneVote was actually established to promote a two-state solution. Netanyahu, if you'll remember (you won't), flip-flopped on his views on the two-state solution, culminating with comments RIGHT before the election.

Netanyahu: If I'm Elected, There Will Be No Palestinian State

In a definitive disavowal of his Bar-Ilan two-state speech, prime minister makes last-minute attempt to draw voters from Bennett's Habayit Hayeudi.

There's no there, there. Should we now talk about Israeli groups that seek to influence US politics and lobby for pro-Israeli policies? Then we can huff some gasoline, beat our heads into brick walls and maybe — maybe — get to a place where it makes sense to pretend that any of this is on par with Russia's actions.

The groups followed the rules in place for the duration of the grant. It was only after the grant period was over that some of the money ended up being allocated for campaigning in the Israeli election. The grant period was over before Netanyahu called for the election and at the time the money was being given, Netanyahu's public stance was not anti-two state.

But you know, let's pull this crap out for the "oh well, maybe the Russians did it but that's what we get for doing it to Israel!" Putin-apology. Dishonest and frankly, disturbing.

LOL, oh and all this. So it wasn't for the purpose of the OP at all. The OP is actually a hoax.