Trump: 'Time for Republicans & Democrats to Get Together' on Health Care Plan

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Irishhaf

Then get the GOP to want to have cheap universal health insurance not just try to destroy the concept out of dogma

Here at least the dems tried and got millions of people help whereas all the GOP wanted to do was harp on what the dems could hardly even get through congress.

What I wanted was the Sodding President to take the lead when the ACA was built... instead he gave it to pelosi and Reid and they in turn gave it to the special interest.. which lead to insane price increases we see now.

But sure blame the GOP for Democrat failures... it is about the only thing the Dems are good at.

The democrats would have had a good plan and were ready to do it with universal Medicare where anybody would have gotten Medicare rather than waiting to their 65 but Joseph Lieberman AND ALL THE GOP stopped it

With all due respect you folks just don’t know the facts


Your just sprouting GOP talking points and dogma not any truth or facts


We almost had a good plan in 2009 but the GOP STOPPED IT!

That's factual history

Lieberman Rules Out Voting for Health Bill

www.nytimes.com...

WASHINGTON — In a surprise setback for Democratic leaders, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, said on Sunday that he would vote against the health care legislation in its current form.

The bill’s supporters had said earlier that they thought they had secured Mr. Lieberman’s agreement to go along with a compromise they worked out to overcome an impasse within the Democratic Party.

But on Sunday, Mr. Lieberman told the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, to scrap the idea of expanding Medicare and abandon any new government insurance plan or lose his vote.

Of course they couldn't get one GOP vote

a reply to: Willtell

It's also a system of Americans wanting to feel better, as fast as possible, no matter what the cost. The medical providers know this, and use it to their financial advantage.

"You want to get rid of that HERNIA pain this week? I'll operate on you for $30,000. WHAT? You Don't want to pay that much? Then move to Canada and wait in line. Won't cost you much of anything there!"

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Profusion

Can we stop the tit for tat and acting like 3 year olds? Why can't they work together on what is best for the American people? Is that really too much to ask?

I do hear you, but from my perspective things have been bad for so long there is simply no common ground left. It has become a war of finger pointing, obstruction, sabotage and shaming.

The Reps did everything they could to make the ACA fail despite what it could do to help people and ignored the fixes that would make it better and more fair for everyone. They did this the past eight years and is too much to ask the Dems now to instantly forgive them.

By refusing to sign a bill they could only read if they signed it.

originally posted by: roaland
a reply to: Wayfarer

i don't go to the doctor. If i ever get forced to, as has happened in the past i pay my debts. I don't own any debt, to anyone, i pay it all off. Don't have a vehicle payment, its paid off, not the best vehicle but its all i can afford so i make it work. Don't tell me you pay my hospital bills because i pay them off myself on the rare occasion i actually have them.

See there these places called Catholic hospitals. They are non-profit, which means if you go to one and can prove you can't afford to pay, they will write off that debt and or work with you on what you can afford to pay.

And what if you get cancer?

This "I'm alright Jack, # you" attitude is horrible.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: NotToday
Of course it's not a one to one comparison but it applies to macro and that's an economic law.

No it doesn't. The job with the highest societal worth are plumbers, followed closely by pipefitters. Both pale in comparison to the compensation CEO's and lawyers receive. Many jobs such as multiple computer science fields are focused on the idea of removing jobs, having outright negative societal worth by removing peoples mechanisms to support themselves, yet those are also good paying jobs.

Another is for each additional dollar earned that person is less likely to vote democrat which really juxtaposes the GOP rural democrat urban divide.

That's a myth. Numerous poor rural states like Mississippi and Louisiana vote Republican while numerous wealthy urban states like New Jersey and New Hampshire vote Democrat.

Sure. Then why do plumbers generally earn less than lawyers?

Wrong.

Pre election

As compared with most Americans, Trump’s voters are better off. The median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000, based on estimates derived from exit polls and Census Bureau data. That’s lower than the $91,000 median for Kasich voters. But it’s well above the national median household income of about $56,000. It’s also higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, which is around $61,000 for both.

fivethirtyeight.com...

Post election



www.nytimes.com...



www.washingtonpost.com...

In short, democrats are poorer than republicans. Democratic voters are poorer than republican voters. When examining the income of voters I believe voters income is better metric than states income.

I await your sourced reply or correction.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Irishhaf

Then get the GOP to want to have cheap universal health insurance not just try to destroy the concept out of dogma

Here at least the dems tried and got millions of people help whereas all the GOP wanted to do was harp on what the dems could hardly even get through congress.

What I wanted was the Sodding President to take the lead when the ACA was built... instead he gave it to pelosi and Reid and they in turn gave it to the special interest.. which lead to insane price increases we see now.

But sure blame the GOP for Democrat failures... it is about the only thing the Dems are good at.

The democrats would have had a good plan and were ready to do it with universal Medicare where anybody would have gotten Medicare rather than waiting to their 65 but Joseph Lieberman AND ALL THE GOP stopped it

Deflect deflect deflect...

So not a single republican votes for the ACA and it is passed despite that... and it is the republicans fault that we had to vote for this bill to see what is in it??

What they needed to do was lay out a plan take it to the people and stick to it... instead as usual the Democrats folded like a cheap suit, and were to stubborn sitting in their ivory tower to think the american people might actually want to hear the plan, and have some say in it.

Instead we got a lot of 1 liners, that turned out to be false to such a degree it is now obvious that even the democrats did not know what was in the flipping bill.

And it is hysterical that you talk about GOP talking points when all you ever use is Dem talking points.

Also I didnt vote trump and I am not a registered republican..

But in this, the republicans were correct...

originally posted by: NotToday
Sure. Then why do plumbers generally earn less than lawyers?

Plumbers earn less than lawyers because getting on as a plumber is a walk on job (in theory) and you apprentice, getting paid while you put in your time for promotions based on hours worked. There is no barrier to entry on the job or training beyond getting the union to take you and you can work wherever you want.

In order to be a lawyer, you primarily need to graduate college, and not just any college... but a college which practices grade inflation so that your GPA is higher. Then you need to be accepted to a law school. Then you pay a fortune and go through hell for a couple years until you graduate. After that point you take the bar exam for the state you wish to practice in. This largely limits where you can live for the rest of your life without some major studying of another states laws.

In short, the training is longer, more expensive, and more restrictive to be a lawyer. As a result, their wages are higher. Plumbers however perform a very important service.

Here's another example: Truck Drivers. Our modern system of obtaining goods would instantly collapse (alongside our entire economy) if truck drivers disappeared. They have a vitally important role, yet their wage is only between 30-80k depending on area and who they work for.

I could contrast that with the guys doing HFT's on the stock market. They sleep on piles of money, and have Scrooge McDuck like cash vaults to go swimming in. Yet, they produce very little for society.

As compared with most Americans, Trump’s voters are better off. The median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000, based on estimates derived from exit polls and Census Bureau data. That’s lower than the $91,000 median for Kasich voters. But it’s well above the national median household income of about $56,000. It’s also higher than the median income for Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters, which is around $61,000 for both.

Again, I don't believe this for an instant, and I don't even find any usefulness in the argument. Someone, either Republican or Democrat is going to attract wealthier people than the other. More over, there are several explanations. For starters, older people tend to be more conservative. Additionally, a lot of poor people love the concept of instituting a meritocracy because it makes them believe they can work hard and succeed if (insert group) stops taking from them. Another, is that you can actually measure likelyhood to go out and vote by tax bracket. The poor don't vote much while the wealthy do. Both the poor and the wealthy are going to the polls to do the same thing (vote themselves more money), but one group shows up for that much more than the other.

None of these factors lead to your presumption that earning more money makes a person more enlightened, and therefore more likely to vote "correctly".

originally posted by: Wayfarer
I should hope Trump expects democrats to work with him on this new Trumpcare inasmuch as republicans worked with Obama on Obamacare.

quite honestly the time for tit for tat is over.......

Have we not learned from The Obama administration and the wild swing to the right, that all we are doing with that line of thinking is making things worse?

We keep going this way and its going to be the end of the Republic.........

I know my liberal friends have seen my evolution, and ive seen a lot of evolution in them.........its time the country does the same.......

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
What republic? There is one party representing one side with omnipotent power. You dont need democrats. You just want another party to blame for the chaos. Not this time.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
What republic? There is one party representing one side with omnipotent power. You dont need democrats. You just want another party to blame for the chaos. Not this time.

why so hostile? Who did I blame? I thought I was pretty clear that the game of vitriol and tit for tat both sides has been playing has caused the division and nastiness we are seeing now.......

it has gotten So much worse in the last 12 years or so, because when the pendulum swings one way it swings even farther the next time........

We keep up the road were on at each others throats and refusing to work with each other it WILL destroy us.......

And we ARE a republic, however we are quickly approaching a time where the next leader will be one with an iron fist whose solution is the total domination of an out of control and divided people.......aka a Stalin-esque figure.......

This needs to stop

originally posted by: Profusion

One day after tweeting that "Dems own the failed ObamaCare disaster," President-elect Donald Trump is now urging the two parties to come together to fix it.

In three tweets early Thursday morning, Trump wrote:

"The Democrats, lead by head clown Chuck Schumer, know how bad ObamaCare is and what a mess they are in. Instead of working to fix it, they.....do the typical political thing and BLAME. The fact is ObamaCare was a lie from the beginning."Keep you doctor, keep your plan!" It is.......time for Republicans & Democrats to get together and come up with a healthcare plan that really works - much less expensive & FAR BETTER!"

LINK

I saw the recent proposal for a new "Trump Tweets" forum. I like the idea, but I think the US Political Madness forum will be the de facto "Trump Tweets" forum for at least the next four years...and that's fitting, isn't it?

I'm not surprised to hear this news from Trump. Trump wants a replacement for Obamacare. That's not happening without bipartisan support.

Watching a bipartisan health care bill being put together and passed could be the greatest political show of our lifetimes. Get ready for about a thousand threads, heated debates, and a total bloodbath.

Republicans had 7+ years to work with dems and try to make ACA better for Americans....they did not. Worse yet they actively fought to remove it with No plan to replace. Pathetic. Fire them all.

a reply to: plaindoughnut


how? They didnt even get to read it.

No reason to help them at all.The GOP has their "God Emperor" now surely he has the vision to lead the way or is he the cheap con artist everyone who has done any kind of business with says he is.There is no trumpcare plan there never was.

originally posted by: NotToday

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: NotToday

Those who can't afford it don't need it, as society has already determined their worth.

I work in an industry that many in society find to be essential. The fact that it's one of the oldest professions in the world supports this claim. It is also a notoriously low paying job, at least in the US, although I make just enough to cover a basic insurance plan. I'm a brewer.

I was also born with a heart defect that required surgery when I was one week old. I haven't had any complications from this condition since I had an angioplasty on my 22nd birthday *knock on wood.*

Now, for your average run of the mill illness I'll be fine with my current insurance. If my heart condition acts up there's no way I can pay for it. Do you believe that in that case I deserve to die?

Just because you play basketball doesn't mean society will pay you millions. Do you believe me and other people who work just as hard or harder than you should be forced to pay for your well being? Why don't you get a second job? You have time to bs on the internet. Do you think anyone in this country has a second job? Do you think people should work a second job to pay for your well being? I don't think you deserve to die, but do you think doctors should take the risk and go to 10 years of med school and fix you up on discount because you wanted to brew beer. Do you think I'd rather brew beer or read freaking contracts all day? Do you think because you're a brewer you deersve my money?

Ok me and my Family are the 1%.

Just on the border but I have enough money for a good life.

My skills give me money to live a good life like you.
I am in the 1% because me and my family are intelligent.
And thats why I dont have a "let them eat cake" menatility , because i am smart.

99 is a bigger number than 1.

So being in the 1% means I am outnumbered 99 to 1.
Very bad odds.


Look at history. If the gap between the have and haves not increases too much revolution happens.

And its not the politicians anf bankers that get killed. They run......

Its me, the doctors,teachers, scientists and lawyers who are the first to the guillotine.

Those masses take there anger out on people like me.


So i would rather have a little tax money go on paying the have nots to have basic food and healthcare than end up with my head in a gullotine, put against a wall and shot or exilled to a labour camp.

originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Profusion

Can we stop the tit for tat and acting like 3 year olds? Why can't they work together on what is best for the American people? Is that really too much to ask?

Hahaha... Now that republicans are in power, we need to stop the tit for tat? I think NO.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yes, well your GOP leaders are making lists as we speak of political opposition. Can you speak Russian? That's why the GOP congress voted for that law that they can reduce an individuals pay to $1. Traitors.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Lol. You are preaching to the choir. What do you want democrats to do? Your party has all the power. Oh, you want us to think like you and embrace your philosophy of making body killing laws. NO.

a reply to: Irishhaf

what cheap health insurance? The only reason my sisters kids got the help they needed this last year was my father paid for the deductible because she could not afford to. many people have the same problem... cheap if you have even a middle paying job health insurance isnt. The only people it seems to be cheap for are the dirt poor, everyone else gets shafted.

I have inlaws in similar situations. The "affordable" insurance was sold as catastrophic insurance, meaning you were still out of pocket for high deductibles and future co-pays, etc. In your opinion, what should the party in power now do to make health care affordable to use?

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Lol. You are preaching to the choir. What do you want democrats to do? Your party has all the power. Oh, you want us to think like you and embrace your philosophy of making body killing laws. NO.

Uhh no I'm actually advocating for civility and decorum between not only those in the gov but the people.

Apparently that's too much to ask