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originally posted by: Wolfenz
Speaking of Science cant Explain certain things
Hollywood .. based of the works of Paddy Chayefsky that looked into more closely of John C. Lilly was no other then a Pioneer and Major Researcher of those isolation Tanks ...
m not talking evolution... what it showed in the movie Altered States of modern man regressing back to early man...
more less.... Atavism in a Molecular Cell Level
im talking of past memories ... That he Remembered from his Descendants
from taking the Drug ...
What I View is we are Created or Should i say Recreated Here on this Planet...
with a different Very Slight adaption from a different non Terrestrial Source ...
But I don't think its stored in the lymbic. Our direct memories of our personal earthbound existence are recorded in our brain, the unseen spirit realm is all around us. We can reach that from here by practice, unhindering our minds of distraction, being still, meditating. The isolation tanks are sort of, drugs are sort of, a different reality aimed at achieving this, but not necessary, ultimately.
the next dimension is all around us, its everywhere, we will go there when we pass. Some have been lucky to get a glimpse; near death, hallucinogens, meditation... a glimpse outside Plato's Cave.
Finally science has explained the mega cyclones on the gas giants . It has to do with rotational fluid dynamics, although I believe in the case of Jupiters Spot there is a moonatessimal (I coined that word) at the heart of the spot, a moon in vitro yearning to be born.
originally posted by: wildespace
originally posted by: Wolfenz
Speaking of Science cant Explain certain things
Might have something to do with Saturn having the fastests wind speeds in the Solar System. It's all about wind dynamics, and a possible explanation for the hexagon has been given here: www.space.com...
Oh, and why the hell would anyone be comparing Earth's ocean-based weather mechanics with gas giant weather mechnics? There are more ways than one to create a whirlpool.
Internal field: Like Jupiter's magnetic field, Saturn's is created by a fluid dynamo within a layer of circulating liquid metallic hydrogen in its outer core.[1] Like Earth, Saturn's magnetic field is mostly a dipole, with north and south poles at the ends of a single magnetic axis.[12] On Saturn, like on Jupiter, the north magnetic pole is located in the northern hemisphere, and the south magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere, which is the opposite to the Earth, where the north magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere.[13] Saturn's magnetic field also has quadrupole, octupole and higher components, though they are much weaker than the dipole.[12] The magnetic field strength at Saturn's equator is about 21 μT (0.21 G), which corresponds to a dipole magnetic moment of about 4.6 × 1018 T•m3.[2] This makes Saturn's magnetic field slightly weaker than Earth's; however, its magnetic moment is about 580 times larger.[1] Saturn's magnetic dipole is strictly aligned with its rotational axis, meaning that the field, uniquely, is highly axisymmetric.[12] The dipole is slightly shifted (by 0.037 Rs) along Saturn's rotational axis towards the north pole.[2]
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: wildespace
originally posted by: Wolfenz
Speaking of Science cant Explain certain things
Might have something to do with Saturn having the fastests wind speeds in the Solar System. It's all about wind dynamics, and a possible explanation for the hexagon has been given here: www.space.com...
Oh, and why the hell would anyone be comparing Earth's ocean-based weather mechanics with gas giant weather mechnics? There are more ways than one to create a whirlpool.
Liquid Metallic Hydrogen and Helium ... acting like Oceans Floating around of an inertial force
a Little more explaining of the WHY ...
Internal field: Like Jupiter's magnetic field, Saturn's is created by a fluid dynamo within a layer of circulating liquid metallic hydrogen in its outer core.[1] Like Earth, Saturn's magnetic field is mostly a dipole, with north and south poles at the ends of a single magnetic axis.[12] On Saturn, like on Jupiter, the north magnetic pole is located in the northern hemisphere, and the south magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere, which is the opposite to the Earth, where the north magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere.[13] Saturn's magnetic field also has quadrupole, octupole and higher components, though they are much weaker than the dipole.[12] The magnetic field strength at Saturn's equator is about 21 μT (0.21 G), which corresponds to a dipole magnetic moment of about 4.6 × 1018 T•m3.[2] This makes Saturn's magnetic field slightly weaker than Earth's; however, its magnetic moment is about 580 times larger.[1] Saturn's magnetic dipole is strictly aligned with its rotational axis, meaning that the field, uniquely, is highly axisymmetric.[12] The dipole is slightly shifted (by 0.037 Rs) along Saturn's rotational axis towards the north pole.[2]
en.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: intrptr
We should do a thread... flip flops with idea, about that other stuff.
As far as fluid dynamics and Coriolis effects, the spin tends to aggregate matter into one 'patch' or 'region' producing the spots on all the gas giants. Problem I noticed with Jupiters spot is the reverse direction, the persistence for centurie(s), and its seeming independence from direction of spin of other bands on the surface, like theres something (solid) in there.
The newest probe sent to Jupiter has a radar to point into the great spot to see whats beneath the surface but so far I can't find the results of any experiment...
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: wildespace
originally posted by: Wolfenz
Speaking of Science cant Explain certain things
Might have something to do with Saturn having the fastests wind speeds in the Solar System. It's all about wind dynamics, and a possible explanation for the hexagon has been given here: www.space.com...
Oh, and why the hell would anyone be comparing Earth's ocean-based weather mechanics with gas giant weather mechnics? There are more ways than one to create a whirlpool.
Liquid Metallic Hydrogen and Helium ... acting like Oceans Floating around of an inertial force
a Little more explaining of the WHY ...
Internal field: Like Jupiter's magnetic field, Saturn's is created by a fluid dynamo within a layer of circulating liquid metallic hydrogen in its outer core.[1] Like Earth, Saturn's magnetic field is mostly a dipole, with north and south poles at the ends of a single magnetic axis.[12] On Saturn, like on Jupiter, the north magnetic pole is located in the northern hemisphere, and the south magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere, which is the opposite to the Earth, where the north magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere.[13] Saturn's magnetic field also has quadrupole, octupole and higher components, though they are much weaker than the dipole.[12] The magnetic field strength at Saturn's equator is about 21 μT (0.21 G), which corresponds to a dipole magnetic moment of about 4.6 × 1018 T•m3.[2] This makes Saturn's magnetic field slightly weaker than Earth's; however, its magnetic moment is about 580 times larger.[1] Saturn's magnetic dipole is strictly aligned with its rotational axis, meaning that the field, uniquely, is highly axisymmetric.[12] The dipole is slightly shifted (by 0.037 Rs) along Saturn's rotational axis towards the north pole.[2]
en.wikipedia.org...
It's true that the metallic dynamo core may be what creates the magnetic field. However, that's probably not what is creating the winds and storms on Saturn.
Wind is cause by temperature differentials and the Coriolis Effect. Relatively warmer pockets of atmosphere move and rise toward relatively cooler pockets of atmosphere. The Coriolis Effect causes these warmer-to-cooler atmospheric movements to shear and twist and turn -- resulting in winds and turbulent atmosphere, which in turn can result in storms.
That's how wind and storms are created on Earth, and there is no reason to doubt that similar mechanisms are at work on other planets with atmospheres and differentials in atmospheric temperatures.
For example, there are storms in the Northern Hemisphere of Saturn known at Saturn's Create White Spots. These storms occur about every 25 Earth years, and often seem to reach their peak about ever 30 Earth years. Perhaps not coincidentally, one Saturn Year = about 30 Earth Years....
It is thought that these Great White Spot storms on Saturn are caused when cooler/wetter/denser molecules in Saturn's upper atmosphere begin to dry up and fall, displaced by warmer atmosphere from below. The cooler/wetter/denser molecules usually act as a blanket suppressing turbulence, but every 30 earth years or so, they are displaced by the movement of relatively warmer atmosphere -- which in turn causes the storms.
This seems to occur at the late Spring/Early Summer on Saturn, when Saturn's North Hemisphere is tiled the most toward the Sun, and that hemisphere receives more warmth from the Sun -- creating this greater temperature differential and more atmospheric turbulence.
Again, this time between one start-of-summer to the next start-of-summer on Saturn is about 30 Earth years, so there seems to be a connection.
Explaining the great 2011 Saturn storm
Mystery of Saturn's Epic Planet-Encircling Storms Explained
The hexagonal clouds at Saturn's North Pole and the swirl at Saturn's South Pole are different, but are still; most likely a result of atmospheric movement due to temperature differential in that atmosphere and due to the Coriolis Effect. The hex pattern has been explained by fluid dynamics (as mentioned by others in other posts).
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: wildespace
originally posted by: Wolfenz
Speaking of Science cant Explain certain things
Might have something to do with Saturn having the fastests wind speeds in the Solar System. It's all about wind dynamics, and a possible explanation for the hexagon has been given here: www.space.com...
Oh, and why the hell would anyone be comparing Earth's ocean-based weather mechanics with gas giant weather mechnics? There are more ways than one to create a whirlpool.
Liquid Metallic Hydrogen and Helium ... acting like Oceans Floating around of an inertial force
a Little more explaining of the WHY ...
Internal field: Like Jupiter's magnetic field, Saturn's is created by a fluid dynamo within a layer of circulating liquid metallic hydrogen in its outer core.[1] Like Earth, Saturn's magnetic field is mostly a dipole, with north and south poles at the ends of a single magnetic axis.[12] On Saturn, like on Jupiter, the north magnetic pole is located in the northern hemisphere, and the south magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere, which is the opposite to the Earth, where the north magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere.[13] Saturn's magnetic field also has quadrupole, octupole and higher components, though they are much weaker than the dipole.[12] The magnetic field strength at Saturn's equator is about 21 μT (0.21 G), which corresponds to a dipole magnetic moment of about 4.6 × 1018 T•m3.[2] This makes Saturn's magnetic field slightly weaker than Earth's; however, its magnetic moment is about 580 times larger.[1] Saturn's magnetic dipole is strictly aligned with its rotational axis, meaning that the field, uniquely, is highly axisymmetric.[12] The dipole is slightly shifted (by 0.037 Rs) along Saturn's rotational axis towards the north pole.[2]
en.wikipedia.org...
It's true that the metallic dynamo core may be what creates the magnetic field. However, that's probably not what is creating the winds and storms on Saturn.
Wind is cause by temperature differentials and the Coriolis Effect. Relatively warmer pockets of atmosphere move and rise toward relatively cooler pockets of atmosphere. The Coriolis Effect causes these warmer-to-cooler atmospheric movements to shear and twist and turn -- resulting in winds and turbulent atmosphere, which in turn can result in storms.
That's how wind and storms are created on Earth, and there is no reason to doubt that similar mechanisms are at work on other planets with atmospheres and differentials in atmospheric temperatures.
For example, there are storms in the Northern Hemisphere of Saturn known at Saturn's Create White Spots. These storms occur about every 25 Earth years, and often seem to reach their peak about ever 30 Earth years. Perhaps not coincidentally, one Saturn Year = about 30 Earth Years....
It is thought that these Great White Spot storms on Saturn are caused when cooler/wetter/denser molecules in Saturn's upper atmosphere begin to dry up and fall, displaced by warmer atmosphere from below. The cooler/wetter/denser molecules usually act as a blanket suppressing turbulence, but every 30 earth years or so, they are displaced by the movement of relatively warmer atmosphere -- which in turn causes the storms.
This seems to occur at the late Spring/Early Summer on Saturn, when Saturn's North Hemisphere is tiled the most toward the Sun, and that hemisphere receives more warmth from the Sun -- creating this greater temperature differential and more atmospheric turbulence.
Again, this time between one start-of-summer to the next start-of-summer on Saturn is about 30 Earth years, so there seems to be a connection.
Explaining the great 2011 Saturn storm
Mystery of Saturn's Epic Planet-Encircling Storms Explained
The hexagonal clouds at Saturn's North Pole and the swirl at Saturn's South Pole are different, but are still; most likely a result of atmospheric movement due to temperature differential in that atmosphere and due to the Coriolis Effect. The hex pattern has been explained by fluid dynamics (as mentioned by others in other posts).
It is Claimed to be that there is is NO SOLID ground on Jupiter Just Gas or Liquidized gas
so its a different system then what he have on earth
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: wildespace
originally posted by: Wolfenz
Speaking of Science cant Explain certain things
Might have something to do with Saturn having the fastests wind speeds in the Solar System. It's all about wind dynamics, and a possible explanation for the hexagon has been given here: www.space.com...
Oh, and why the hell would anyone be comparing Earth's ocean-based weather mechanics with gas giant weather mechnics? There are more ways than one to create a whirlpool.
Liquid Metallic Hydrogen and Helium ... acting like Oceans Floating around of an inertial force
a Little more explaining of the WHY ...
Internal field: Like Jupiter's magnetic field, Saturn's is created by a fluid dynamo within a layer of circulating liquid metallic hydrogen in its outer core.[1] Like Earth, Saturn's magnetic field is mostly a dipole, with north and south poles at the ends of a single magnetic axis.[12] On Saturn, like on Jupiter, the north magnetic pole is located in the northern hemisphere, and the south magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere, which is the opposite to the Earth, where the north magnetic pole lies in the southern hemisphere.[13] Saturn's magnetic field also has quadrupole, octupole and higher components, though they are much weaker than the dipole.[12] The magnetic field strength at Saturn's equator is about 21 μT (0.21 G), which corresponds to a dipole magnetic moment of about 4.6 × 1018 T•m3.[2] This makes Saturn's magnetic field slightly weaker than Earth's; however, its magnetic moment is about 580 times larger.[1] Saturn's magnetic dipole is strictly aligned with its rotational axis, meaning that the field, uniquely, is highly axisymmetric.[12] The dipole is slightly shifted (by 0.037 Rs) along Saturn's rotational axis towards the north pole.[2]
en.wikipedia.org...
It's true that the metallic dynamo core may be what creates the magnetic field. However, that's probably not what is creating the winds and storms on Saturn.
Wind is cause by temperature differentials and the Coriolis Effect. Relatively warmer pockets of atmosphere move and rise toward relatively cooler pockets of atmosphere. The Coriolis Effect causes these warmer-to-cooler atmospheric movements to shear and twist and turn -- resulting in winds and turbulent atmosphere, which in turn can result in storms.
That's how wind and storms are created on Earth, and there is no reason to doubt that similar mechanisms are at work on other planets with atmospheres and differentials in atmospheric temperatures.
For example, there are storms in the Northern Hemisphere of Saturn known at Saturn's Create White Spots. These storms occur about every 25 Earth years, and often seem to reach their peak about ever 30 Earth years. Perhaps not coincidentally, one Saturn Year = about 30 Earth Years....
It is thought that these Great White Spot storms on Saturn are caused when cooler/wetter/denser molecules in Saturn's upper atmosphere begin to dry up and fall, displaced by warmer atmosphere from below. The cooler/wetter/denser molecules usually act as a blanket suppressing turbulence, but every 30 earth years or so, they are displaced by the movement of relatively warmer atmosphere -- which in turn causes the storms.
This seems to occur at the late Spring/Early Summer on Saturn, when Saturn's North Hemisphere is tiled the most toward the Sun, and that hemisphere receives more warmth from the Sun -- creating this greater temperature differential and more atmospheric turbulence.
Again, this time between one start-of-summer to the next start-of-summer on Saturn is about 30 Earth years, so there seems to be a connection.
Explaining the great 2011 Saturn storm
Mystery of Saturn's Epic Planet-Encircling Storms Explained
The hexagonal clouds at Saturn's North Pole and the swirl at Saturn's South Pole are different, but are still; most likely a result of atmospheric movement due to temperature differential in that atmosphere and due to the Coriolis Effect. The hex pattern has been explained by fluid dynamics (as mentioned by others in other posts).
It is Claimed to be that there is is NO SOLID ground on Jupiter Just Gas or Liquidized gas
so its a different system then what he have on earth
Hydrogen under extreme pressures is believed to act as a metallic and an electrical conductor, and that is what is thought to be in Jupiter's and Saturn's cores.
What is Metallic Hydrogen?
"Nature" Article on Metallic Hydrogen
Wikipedia - Metallic Hydrogen
originally posted by: wildespace
a reply to: Wolfenz
There's a bit of rock and dirt all over the Solar System.
Gas giants, like Saturn and Jupiter, are thought to have formed much closer to the Sun and then migrated outwards.
There's no reason to think why Saturn or Jupiter cannot have a rocky core at the centre of everything.
Rocky planets near the Sun (Mercury, Venus, Mars) are simply Solar System planets that had their gaseous envelopes blown away by the solar radiation, while gas and ice giants didn't.
originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Wolfenz
I thought he earth was flat and all planets are cgi?