Brexit - 6 months on...

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: fusiondoe

can you tell my how immigration has affected you to where it was a part of why you wanted to exit?

What were the workplace procedures and restrictions?

just curious, thanks

It has pushed down peoples wages I heard that from the horses mouth, quite a few of them actually. Building contractors, plasterers, so on. It's not a myth Bastion people especially in the trades have been effected from what you hear out there.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: fusiondoe

can you tell my how immigration has affected you to where it was a part of why you wanted to exit?

What were the workplace procedures and restrictions?

just curious, thanks

It has pushed down peoples wages I heard that from the horses mouth, quite a few of them actually. Building contractors, plasterers, so on. It's not a myth Bastion people especially in the trades have been effected from what you hear out there.

are you saying its legal there to lessen wages on a worker?

a reply to: veracity

UK is a free market with a low minimum wage, so yes. When Polish plasterers do the job for 1/3 less than locals yes it drives down prices especially in the trades, manufacturing not effected negatively while actually most factories round here love Poles, Lithuanians etc, they are great workers and never have sickies or sue the employer, been a beneefit here.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: fusiondoe

can you tell my how immigration has affected you to where it was a part of why you wanted to exit?

What were the workplace procedures and restrictions?

just curious, thanks

Immigration - My uncle has been in the building/construction trade for many years! Now he can't make a living at it due to the fact he wants a decent daily wage, yet a Polish man is willing to work for £30 a day whilst camping in a house with 8 others paying no rent, and sending the money back home to Poland.

The fact that when I go to the hospital or the Doctors my healthcare suffers because the Doctor can't understand proper English and I can't understand them

The fact that in my hometown of Bethnal Green, East London... I have Muslim men insulting my partner as she walks down the street to the local shops because she is wearing a top that shows her arms!

Workplace Procedures - The biggest problem is health and safety... now don't get me wrong I agree with a lot of it, wearing a hard hat and safety boots on a building site is common sense.

What I don't agree with is ridiculous inductions on 'how to climb a ladder' ... it's not rocket science.

I'm sure others can come in and elaborate further on the rules and regulations at work.

originally posted by: fusiondoe

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: fusiondoe

can you tell my how immigration has affected you to where it was a part of why you wanted to exit?

What were the workplace procedures and restrictions?

just curious, thanks

Immigration - My uncle has been in the building/construction trade for many years! Now he can't make a living at it due to the fact he wants a decent daily wage, yet a Polish man is willing to work for £30 a day whilst camping in a house with 8 others paying no rent, and sending the money back home to Poland.

The fact that when I go to the hospital or the Doctors my healthcare suffers because the Doctor can't understand proper English and I can't understand them

The fact that in my hometown of Bethnal Green, East London... I have Muslim men insulting my partner as she walks down the street to the local shops because she is wearing a top that shows her arms!

Workplace Procedures - The biggest problem is health and safety... now don't get me wrong I agree with a lot of it, wearing a hard hat and safety boots on a building site is common sense.

What I don't agree with is ridiculous inductions on 'how to climb a ladder' ... it's not rocket science.

I'm sure others can come in and elaborate further on the rules and regulations at work.

the only real issue listed above is the polish guy under charging what your uncle is doing. Even then, that is what Americans would call the "market".

The buyer can choose to spend less but have it done in a way that may not be up to standards or pay more and have it done correctly by your uncle.

I don't mean to be harsh, but your uncle has the choice to stand out and do a job that is worth more money, or bring his standards down to the polish standards. He also has the choice to find another means to a living.

It seems to me that more immigration is making the market more affordable to the buyers. Bad for some (as for your uncle) but good for others.

If i lived there I would not want to brexit.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: veracity

UK is a free market with a low minimum wage, so yes. When Polish plasterers do the job for 1/3 less than locals yes it drives down prices especially in the trades, manufacturing not effected negatively while actually most factories round here love Poles, Lithuanians etc, they are great workers and never have sickies or sue the employer, been a beneefit here.

I always hear this arguement that poles and Lithuanians are amazing workers! But with the greatest of respect every person I have spoken to who has had work done by these has regretted it... due to the fact they cut corners and do a shoddy job that falls apart several months later.

Don't quote me - I am not a builder and can only go on what I have been told. Maybe they work well for everybody else I don't know....

originally posted by: fusiondoe

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: veracity

UK is a free market with a low minimum wage, so yes. When Polish plasterers do the job for 1/3 less than locals yes it drives down prices especially in the trades, manufacturing not effected negatively while actually most factories round here love Poles, Lithuanians etc, they are great workers and never have sickies or sue the employer, been a beneefit here.

I always hear this arguement that poles and Lithuanians are amazing workers! But with the greatest of respect every person I have spoken to who has had work done by these has regretted it... due to the fact they cut corners and do a shoddy job that falls apart several months later.

Don't quote me - I am not a builder and can only go on what I have been told. Maybe they work well for everybody else I don't know....

well great then, it gives the buyer a choice...pay less and regret it later or pay more for a well done job? You guys want to brexit bc of this?

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: fusiondoe

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: fusiondoe

can you tell my how immigration has affected you to where it was a part of why you wanted to exit?

What were the workplace procedures and restrictions?

just curious, thanks

Immigration - My uncle has been in the building/construction trade for many years! Now he can't make a living at it due to the fact he wants a decent daily wage, yet a Polish man is willing to work for £30 a day whilst camping in a house with 8 others paying no rent, and sending the money back home to Poland.

The fact that when I go to the hospital or the Doctors my healthcare suffers because the Doctor can't understand proper English and I can't understand them

The fact that in my hometown of Bethnal Green, East London... I have Muslim men insulting my partner as she walks down the street to the local shops because she is wearing a top that shows her arms!

Workplace Procedures - The biggest problem is health and safety... now don't get me wrong I agree with a lot of it, wearing a hard hat and safety boots on a building site is common sense.

What I don't agree with is ridiculous inductions on 'how to climb a ladder' ... it's not rocket science.

I'm sure others can come in and elaborate further on the rules and regulations at work.

the only real issue listed above is the polish guy under charging what your uncle is doing. Even then, that is what Americans would call the "market".

The buyer can choose to spend less but have it done in a way that may not be up to standards or pay more and have it done correctly by your uncle.

I don't mean to be harsh, but your uncle has the choice to stand out and do a job that is worth more money, or bring his standards down to the polish standards. He also has the choice to find another means to a living.

It seems to me that more immigration is making the market more affordable to the buyers. Bad for some (as for your uncle) but good for others.

If i lived there I would not want to brexit.

How can you compete with a person who charges £30 a day on a job where an average person would charge £130?

So let's just say that all British builders start charging £30 a day and then can't pay their rent/mortgage.

Remember the majority of polish builders are camping 8-14 people in a house like squatters paying absolutely zilch!

Tell me how that is fair?

a reply to: fusiondoe
if you read the rest of my posts you would see i already answered that question

originally posted by: veracity

I am sorry to try and put this in "american" terms for us to understand but from what I hear, the decision to exit (brexit) the EU is the racist decision.

*Racist* Thats just one of the derogatory terms that the 'Remainers'

used to try and hit the 'Brexitors' .with ....

People are wising up (or manning up) and no longer care about being called names,

realising that it is not *racist* anyway there are a number of reasons all under one

umbrella.

Didn't the Democrats try that same ploy against Donald Trump in the recent

American election I Notice it didn't have any effect on the people there either,

they still went ahead and voted for Trump

a reply to: eletheia

yes, it overwhelmingly reminds me of Trump...both the racists won. Very sad.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: eletheia

yes, it overwhelmingly reminds me of Trump...both the racists won. Very sad.

I thought you were being reasonable at first but this really is an ignorant reply ^^

Remoaners and Clinton supporters always pull the race card! Boring

a reply to: fusiondoe

we don't pull this crap out of our arses, the card is laid upon the table by you guys.

sorry its harsh, but its true. I know no one want to look at themselves as a racist and maybe you are not, but it DOES align more with racism than anything else.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: fusiondoe

we don't pull this crap out of our arses, the card is laid upon the table by you guys.

sorry its harsh, but its true. I know no one want to look at themselves as a racist and maybe you are not, but it DOES align more with racism than anything else.

Well I'm not a racist and as stated earlier nor are the majority of Brexiteers, yes I am sure there are a small minority who are but the sensible and reasonable ones among us who know how the world works a little better, voted to leave to get our freedom, jobs and sovereignty back

a reply to: veracity

You guys want to brexit bc of this?

No , we want Brexit to regain something we lost , self determination.
We are governed according to rules made by unelected officials , we pay handsomely to subsidise French farmers , give our fishing waters over to Spanish fleets and open our doors to the populace of Europe.

Britain risked being absorbed into a conglomerate , Brexit was a vote against that.

originally posted by: fusiondoe
Ok so it made a commons motion... So what would you prefer? That our elected leaders just ignored the majority and decided to stay in Europe!

*Elected leaders* who can soon get unelected if they keep ignoring

the will of the people??

The referendum was a clear indication of what the majority want, you can't argue with that or deny it? To do so is to deny democracy surely?

And ignoring the will of those who elected them ..... will mean

loosing their seat in Parliament.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: veracity

You guys want to brexit bc of this?

No , we want Brexit to regain something we lost , self determination.
We are governed according to rules made by unelected officials , we pay handsomely to subsidise French farmers , give our fishing waters over to Spanish fleets and open our doors to the populace of Europe.

Britain risked being absorbed into a conglomerate , Brexit was a vote against that.

Amen

I think this guy has it about right. I voted remain but more people voted leave so that's what we should do. I'm sure some areas of the country will benefit whilst others will suffer, and I'm sure anything positive or negative that happens next year will be credited/blamed on Brexit if it suits the people involved.

originally posted by: twfau
I think this guy has it about right. I voted remain but more people voted leave so that's what we should do. I'm sure some areas of the country will benefit whilst others will suffer, and I'm sure anything positive or negative that happens next year will be credited/blamed on Brexit if it suits the people involved.

Fair statement. Can't say I disagree

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: veracity

You guys want to brexit bc of this?

No , we want Brexit to regain something we lost , self determination.
We are governed according to rules made by unelected officials , we pay handsomely to subsidise French farmers , give our fishing waters over to Spanish fleets and open our doors to the populace of Europe.

Britain risked being absorbed into a conglomerate , Brexit was a vote against that.

I do not live there and do not fully understand the scope of brexit but after reading this thread and especially your post it seems to me like you do not want to work with other countries and just want to live in your own little world and make your own laws and not be open to immigration or working with other countries.

If I am correct I do not see this working for your in the long term.