China hands back the unmanned submarine they caught in sea to US

a reply to: intrptr

Since the Pentagon or MSM said it, the real truth is something else, right? The UUV in question is a $150,000 glider unit, that's bought off the shelf for oceanographic work, It "swims" slowly along, taking measurements.

Your "Chinese warship" was a Dalang-III rescue and salvage ship. The only reason that the glider was anywhere near it, was because they were shadowing the Bowditch.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Aliensun

"map the floor in shallower areas". Did you miss that part?

"Among other things", like you said.

It was launched from the USNS Bowditch. It's a Navy Sealift Command ship. Technically Navy, but a civilian crew with one or two naval officers.

Technically military, got it. And way out of its 'jurisdiction'.

a reply to: intrptr

Yes, mapping, ocean temperatures, ocean salinity, "other things". The gliders are far too slow to even try to follow a ship. They are designed for oceanographic research, not monitoring military activities. They can operate in a given area for up to four months.

Ocean gliders are autonomous underwater vehicles used to collect oceanographic data in an effort to better understand the ocean. The gliders are made by Teledyne Webb and are sold commercially. The Navy uses the gliders to collect ocean temperature, salinity and depth information, and transmit the unclassified data to Naval Oceanographic Office (NAVOCEANO) for assimilation into NAVOCEANO’s operational ocean models. They are used by scientists and professionals around the world working in academia, the oil and gas industry as well as the military. Gliders have been the workhorses of the operational Naval Oceanography program for nearly two decades.

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Technically military, yes. It's for oceanographic monitoring. It's owned by the Navy, but this ship isn't capable of doing much more than research. The ship was in international waters. They had as much right to be there as the Chinese ship shadowing them. There is no "jurisdiction" when it comes to international waters.

a reply to: Zaphod58

It's for oceanographic monitoring. It's owned by the Navy, but this ship isn't capable of doing much more than research. The ship was in international waters. They had as much right to be there as the Chinese ship shadowing them. There is no "jurisdiction" when it comes to international waters.

Then they didn't 'illegally grab' it either. The notion that spying under the facade of research isn't lost on me either.

Easier to grab unmanned vehicles, technically speaking. Especially associated with the military, sort of.

Got any technical printouts for the drones capabilities... mmm, by any chance?

a reply to: intrptr

Yes they did grab it illegally. It's still the property of another nation, in international waters. I realize you blame the US for everything wrong in the world, but that doesn't mean anyone against the US is automatically right, and all sweetness and light.

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a reply to: Zaphod58

Yes they did grab it illegally. It's still the property of another nation, in international waters.

The US 'grabs' whole nations...

The Chinese are of course more than a little concerned about US military spying in their neck of the woods.

a reply to: intrptr

You still have to explain how the US can be occupying a nation like Korea or Japan when the troops there are outnumbered several dozen times. It's amazing how we're able to keep nations under our thumb like that.

China is worried about someone standing up to their resource grab in the South China Sea. Oh wait, I keep forgetting that it says "China" in the name so everything there belongs to them, no matter what other countries say.

originally posted by: weirdguy
I can't find any pictures of the event, so here is a recreation.

And I had just been thinking how it'd be priceless to see video of the whole drone-napping affair. That there is the next best thing!

originally posted by: intrptr
And the South China sea is not US territory, either.

No, the territory that China are claiming are other counties, or international. China can do sod all in international waters, which is why this South China Sea expansionism, militarisation and belligerence is so worrying.

The UUV was seized by the Chinese 50 miles off Subic Bay (Philippines), which is some 550 nm from mainland China.

I know that you are anti-American, but come on!

a reply to: intrptr

NOT in international waters.
WE WILL navigate them FREELY or we'll fight ...scratch that... WE will fight.
China's getting uppty and needs slapping back to their mainland
Probably starting next year when we start tarriffs and the like.

China STOLE a UUV.
That is a crime.
Crimes usually get punished.
I am waiting to hear what the punishment is going to be for THIEF China.

Note to Trump:

It's time to militarise one of the islands for US use.

Cue much hand-wringing and brown trouser time.

Apparently it is fine for China to do it, so why not, after all (an un-punished) precedent has been set by China.

Let's get started. Report back when it's done, cheers.

a reply to: paraphi

I know that you are anti-American, but come on!

Real Americans vote against waging unjust wars.

Trump will borrow something from china for a few days...or longer.

a reply to: Zaphod58

You still have to explain how the US can be occupying a nation like Korea or Japan when the troops there are outnumbered several dozen times. It's amazing how we're able to keep nations under our thumb like that.

The US military 'occupies' these countries, in Japans case since the end of WWII. Korea is nought but a toe hold on the Asian continent, like Vietnam was supposed to be. All the occupied countries in the eastern pacific serve as forward bases far from America, an extension of US military might to isolate and surround China and Russia. lol

Geo politically speaking... both countries know what time it is, see right through the ruse.

Doesn't take a military genius to see through all the political brainwashing the west feeds its citizens about it. Or the changes occurring in the desire of worlds peoples to be free.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

NOT in international waters.

You holding up the dual standard ruler? One set of laws for US foreign policy, another for everyone else.

We destroy nations and Buwah, they stole our drone...

a reply to: reldra

After some pressure, China said they would give it back. The US response was that they don't want it back, basically they were just trying to get China to admit to wrongdoing.

Realistically, we don't want it back either. They grabbed the drone, probably looked to see if it had any decent technology on it they could steal, and after determining that it didn't, they could have put all sorts of malware into the drone. If we took it back, the only safe thing to do with it would be to destroy it. Might as well just let them keep it at that point.

a reply to: intrptr

Which is hand waving away the question. There are 50,000 US service members in Japan. There are over 247,000 active, and 56,000 reserve members of the Japanese military.

So how do 50,000 troops occupy a country against 5 times their numbers?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: intrptr

Which is hand waving away the question. There are 50,000 US service members in Japan. There are over 247,000 active, and 56,000 reserve members of the Japanese military.

So how do 50,000 troops occupy a country against 5 times their numbers?

With the "big stick".

a reply to: intrptr

And they just decide to cooperate fully with us, and do everything we want, no matter what it is, because of that. Wow, that's some idea you have there. Funny that when asked we leave. Also funny that while we're "occupying them" and they're apparently terrified of our military, they're buying the same equipment we use, and training using our tactics, and to fight by our side if they have to.