Seeking ATS Members Thoughts -- If a UFO Arrives - But Does Not Communicate.

My ATS colleagues... Seeking your Intelligent Thoughts regarding this scenario:

Let's say a rather large Triangle UFO simply appeared over midtown Manhattan at an altitude of 2,000 feet, and just hovered there. It didn't make any threatening moves, nor did it communicate. It also ignored any attempts at communications from humans. The Air Force would scramble jets for a close look, but the craft would not react physically, or electronically.

Would this UFO be allowed to hover in that position for days, or months, without the U.S. attempting to make physical contact somehow?

And at that point, what would we do? Float a manned balloon up to it and attempt to find a hatch, or perhaps "knock" and see if an entity answers?

I'm just wondering what the extent of America's patience would be. Remember, this thing is sitting over a very dense population. Also, if you hit the craft with a rocket, you might generate severe retaliation of some sort.

What is likely to play-out with our government, and with mankind in general, if a 500 foot Triangle UFO just sat over Manhattan for a long time?

-CareWeMust

a reply to: carewemust

shoot it !!!!

or poke it with a stick...

Here's to hoping that it doesn't appear over America
And hopefully no one tries to attack it, that would be a huge mistake.

I vote we get that Australian guy with his balloon lawn-chair to make first contact.

a reply to: carewemust

Would the answer change if it were a round one rather than triangle?

I don't think 'we' could handle it sitting there, it's like the wife's silent treatment, 2 weeks once until I apologised for something I didn't do.

In our case we would give welcome then warning, it wouldn't take long for the US to put some armed troops on it, almost guarantee it wouldn't be a group of unarmed progressive thinking scientists.

It will be a threat to national security.

The only hope the Earth has is that they avoid America, China, Russia, ME, Africa, most of Europe for first contact and go to Norway.

We are doomed anyway.

It's an interesting scenario, and these situations although not staying around very long have happened before, and many times people have shot at them. Personally I think being fearful and panicky is a huge mistake, and past reports seem to agree. I do know that there was a shoot down order up until the end of Vietnam war, and when people shot at unknown craft, people were injured by responses, and killed as well. Just aiming a weapon at one has provoked some aggression in response, but not usually lethal ones. A friend who was the Chief AT controller watched a disk land on the runway and it stayed for 20 minutes, but he was ordered to ignore it no matter how long it remained and was told it would likely leave soon. He was ordered to just delay landings and any traffic using some excuse like a fuel spill on the runway..

The one mentioned in your OP would definitely be interesting to watch transpire. I bet people or even police would begin to get very antsy and it would cause a big mess for government to deal with. I hope it happens.

I asked the question because of an old Star Trek episode (circa 1968) I saw earlier called "The Corbonite Maneuver". It was aliens testing mankind to see if we were a violent species. If we were, KABOOM...annihilation. Thankfully captain Kirk choose the patient, peaceful route. The alien was friendly.. at least he was when the episode ended, LOL.

Thanks for the responses everyone. Let's hope that we're not faced with a "test" such as this!

a reply to: carewemust

If it were only over Manhattan, it would probably be a pretty huge deal to people who live there...not so much to the rest of the country. Hell, the majority of people would probably believe it was a hoax or something if it was only happening in one specific location. Easier to dismiss something when it's happening to someone else, far away.

I would be surprised if such a thing appeared and our government didn't try to find some way to get inside it. I can't see them allowing an unidentified craft to just hover in one location for months on end...even days on end, to be honest.

Unless they had some knowledge that this thing posed a specific threat, they'd try everything to get in there and take a peek. They would want to get that technology for themselves.

I think if this happened over a US city, the authorities would shut down the city (martial law), evacuate the civilians, block all entry into the city, and have the military point all it's weapons at it. Stop any footage and reports of what was happening.

The gov would be working hard to come up with a plan that would benifit them.
Probably end bad.

originally posted by: carewemust
My ATS colleagues... Seeking your Intelligent Thoughts regarding this scenario:

Let's say a rather large Triangle UFO simply appeared over midtown Manhattan at an altitude of 2,000 feet, and just hovered there.
-CareWeMust

So none of us international members have the right to answer?

Only Americans...?

There is a WORLD... A HUGE BIG planet filled with citizens from around the world that can also answer...

Why just adress this thread to the USA who are not the ONLY people who live on this planet?

Thank you for your response.

Warmest respects

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Bahhh Humbug...

a reply to: Lagomorphe

OK pick a city of your choice and run with "what would we do". I don't think the OP meant any slight to international posters.

Since the OP used a triangle as his example I can't imagine too much would happen except a cute little cover story that "one of ours" had a malfunction and they were working on it. LOL! Our imaginations would cause some panic, and the inevitable UFO parties with those who want to welcome our "space brothers". At least all the political bickering would stop for a day or two.

originally posted by: Lagomorphe


So none of us international members have the right to answer?

Only Americans...?

There is a WORLD... A HUGE BIG planet filled with citizens from around the world that can also answer...

Why just adress this thread to the USA who are not the ONLY people who live on this planet?

Where did you get that from? He said "My ATS colleagues"...

I can only imagine the US would try and shoot it down. It would be mildly amusing (in a tragic, horrific, unamusing, yet ironic fashion) if the beings had no plans to attack unless attacked first. The first missile bounces off pointlessly and they're like "oh, it's on now" and just go Independence Day on the situation.

The older I get, the more I begin to grudgingly accept that things like Roswell were probably not aliens. I really really want them to be - The X Files set my brain on that path 20 years ago - but if they're that intelligent, I think they would either just destroy us and pillage the resources then leave, or just not bother in the first place because we're violent, destructive, and morally corrupt as a species.

originally posted by: Caver78
a reply to: Lagomorphe

OK pick a city of your choice and run with "what would we do". I don't think the OP meant any slight to international posters.

Since the OP used a triangle as his example I can't imagine too much would happen except a cute little cover story that "one of ours" had a malfunction and they were working on it. LOL! Our imaginations would cause some panic, and the inevitable UFO parties with those who want to welcome our "space brothers". At least all the political bickering would stop for a day or two.

I am picking a continent :

Asia for example.

Warmest respects

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Take grainy photos of it with a digital camera made in 2003, and then upload them to ATS!!

a reply to: carewemust

If you are asking what the logical approach would be, then my recommendation would be as follows.

First, if communications attempts failed, one would assume that the military would set up some sort of cordon, a no fly zone around the city, probably an evacuation of the area immediately beneath the craft (to reduce collateral damage in the event of it being shot down for some reason), and begin laying down armour, artillery, and other mobile assets on the ground. Mobile infantry would probably be policing the streets from the suburbs inward, to ensure that no visitors can gain the ground and pass through without being stopped. ICE would probably be there as well, since there would have to be some immigration papers to go over, should any visitor eventually appear at ground level.

Alongside the security response, there would probably have to be a significant presence of the scientific community. You would have lab coats swarming around the place, deploying sensors to check for electromagnetic anomalies, any energy signatures being output by the engines or whatever mechanism holds the craft aloft. You would probably have some of them devoted to figuring out why there was no answer, probably an attempt at putting together a mathematical communications tool, designed around certain numerical patterns common to physics for example, something that we can assume we share a small amount of common ground with the visitor on.

I would imagine that use of small drones would become an increasingly acceptable option. Launched from a chopper or tall building, these drones would be used to establish whether it is possible to actually touch the outer hull of the craft, or whether some energy field or other barrier exists, between the visible outer skin of the craft, and the atmosphere around it. They would carry various sensory equipment, and operate on a partially remote basis, but also in groups, using swarm AI which has come on a stretch over the last few years. They would be used to closely examine the hull for imperfections which might suggest a hatch or door, to take close in readings from near any visible engines, or in the event where there is no visible propulsion system, to rotate around the craft in intersecting patterns, to establish whether any energy that is being emitted from the craft, has a singular origin, which might suggest the presence of a power source or propulsion system at that location within the craft. They would also be on the look out for any protrusion which might represent a weapons system of some kind, although working with technology that allows anti-gravity hovering for an extended period, might make a nonsense of that sort of thinking, since the craft may be so advanced that its pilots or controller can simply funnel gouts of energy from any point on the hull, to any target in vicinity.

Eventually, I would have thought that paratroopers would be somehow landed on the craft, and attempt to gain some kind of access. At this point, anything could happen. They could gain access, and find whatever is inside, but the lack of communication between craft and ground, would suggest that any communications attempts made by paratroopers would not be effective either, since it is unlikely to have the sophistication necessary to achieve what several well worked out science led approaches failed to achieve.

There is a good chance though, that no method applied to the task of breaking open the hull, would succeed, and those paratroopers would have to fall back to ground. At the same time as all these things have been happening, the scientific and military thinkers of our time would be in communion with one another, attempting to hash out what it all means, whether the craft represents a threat, and if so, what the best way to deal with it might be. If it were decided that the craft posed a significant threat to national security, despite its stationary and neutral posture, the chances are that the thing would get fired upon. The city would have to be fully evacuated, all essential infrastructure and data systems would have to be shut down and/or relocated out of the city. All non-military personnel would be moved out of state too, and all military personnel would fall back to secure locations, bunkers, and hardened locations throughout the city and state. Assuming entry methods deployed by the paratroopers included some sort of breaching charge, and that the technique failed to leave a mark, deploying regular artillery HE or AP rounds would probably be pointless. Therefore, it is probable that the military would draw on the most modern capabilities they have. I would have thought first strike would be lobbing a rail gun round or two at it. After that, assuming failure, a MOAB detonated directly over the target. If both of those failed, a full evacuation of the state and a warning to surrounding states and cities would have to go out, of the imminent deployment of a fairly high yield thermonuclear weapon.

I would not want it to go that way, but that is the most likely scenario, assuming all communications efforts and entry attempts were to fail. I reason it would go this way, because regardless of the non threatening posture, the stationary position, the lack of any offensive action other than its presence, the chances that the military would permit any foreign craft to maintain position over a major population and commercial center, for any extended period are basically minimal, and since the military, not the scientists, would have the most guns, their word would be law in this situation.

I get where you are coming from and respect and understand your post...

However, MURIKA is written all over the original post and we international members are not all from the good ol US of A.

That is all I have to say and back on topic huh?

Thank you.

Warmest respects

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a reply to: Caver78

a reply to: carewemust

Already happened... Battle of LA comes in mind. If in america they'll evacuate shoot with all their might.. And tell people if was a hoax.

a reply to: carewemust

Why not send a drone. Baloon or drone could be tracktor beemed in...if you are lucky. It could be a threat if not careful. .If it stays its a test on the people. Think of it this way many large ufo sightings were never shot down or reacted to the population in large cities after being spotted.

originally posted by: carewemust
Seeking ATS Members Thoughts -- If a UFO Arrives - But Does Not Communicate.

See movie; 'Immortal" - Enki Bilal

That would be considered an invasion. Without any kind of communication or response, it would be considered "not friendly" and maneuvers would be taken to protect the citizens-obviously a huge evacuation while our military and scientific communities decided on the safest approach - which would probably be watch and wait - while the world shook in its boots.

While preparing for a conflict of unknown proportions -the wise decision would be to not irritate or cause the object-which could be occupied or a drone - to be forced into an attack mode for fear of its own survival.

So, in theory, after removing the citizenry, there's not much we could do except to wait - it might just eventually leave- and decide to never come back or run back home and tell of their great adventure in a far away land with really boring inhabitants.
Or, let's hope so.

a reply to: Justso