RT Gets 1.22 Bln Rubles to Start French Channel

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

That's a cop out answer, it's just that every time a counter media source emerges to the Western MSM machine, it's going to get tarnished with the same rhetoric like that. Honest journalists do exist you know.

I said they weren't any more, or any less biased. That's a compliment.

Not all western journalists are bad either, plenty of good people on either side of the pond.

But don't sit here and tell me that RT doesn't peddle the same kind of pro russian propaganda that CNN peddles about American interests.

That's just silly.

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Russia distrusts all the western powers, and if you look at the events post WW1 and WW2, can you blame them? False and empty promises followed by decades of mistrust and subterfuge.

It goes back further than that. Western Europe allowed Russia to absorb the shock of barbarian horde after barbarian horde for centuries.

I'm not defending Russia, but cloak and dagger is sort of their bread and butter. And if they did go out in the open and start a legitimate kind of operation, it would be destroyed by the Western media outlets almost immediately.

That is their fear, but the fact that cable companies all carry RT argues otherwise. As I have stated many times before, Russia would do well to extend their soft power with Alliance Francaise style "Pushkin Institutes."

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Have you even read the OP? I am praising Russia!

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

That's a cop out answer, it's just that every time a counter media source emerges to the Western MSM machine, it's going to get tarnished with the same rhetoric like that. Honest journalists do exist you know.

I said they weren't any more, or any less biased. That's a compliment.

Not all western journalists are bad either, plenty of good people on either side of the pond.

But don't sit here and tell me that RT doesn't peddle the same kind of pro russian propaganda that CNN peddles about American interests.

That's just silly.

~Tenth

There is a huge difference between how RT reports on Russian interests to how some U.S. media networks report on American interests.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Have you even read the OP? I am praising Russia!

And I'm praising the journalism

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

That's a cop out answer, it's just that every time a counter media source emerges to the Western MSM machine, it's going to get tarnished with the same rhetoric like that. Honest journalists do exist you know.

I said they weren't any more, or any less biased. That's a compliment.

Not all western journalists are bad either, plenty of good people on either side of the pond.

But don't sit here and tell me that RT doesn't peddle the same kind of pro russian propaganda that CNN peddles about American interests.

That's just silly.

~Tenth

There is a huge difference between how RT reports on Russian interests to how some U.S. media networks report on American interests.

Does RT report when a Russian politician exposes himself to minors on social media the way American media reports on American politicians who do? Or do you believe Russian politicians are perfect?

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

And I'm praising the journalism

If you think it's journalism, it's successful propaganda. (And yes, that goes for Western propaganda too.)

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

That's a cop out answer, it's just that every time a counter media source emerges to the Western MSM machine, it's going to get tarnished with the same rhetoric like that. Honest journalists do exist you know.

I said they weren't any more, or any less biased. That's a compliment.

Not all western journalists are bad either, plenty of good people on either side of the pond.

But don't sit here and tell me that RT doesn't peddle the same kind of pro russian propaganda that CNN peddles about American interests.

That's just silly.

~Tenth

There is a huge difference between how RT reports on Russian interests to how some U.S. media networks report on American interests.

Does RT report when a Russian politician exposes himself to minors on social media the way American media reports on American politicians who do? Or do you believe Russian politicians are perfect?

Probably, why wouldn't they?

Don't twist this around on me, I have no love for politicians of ANY country.

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

That's a cop out answer, it's just that every time a counter media source emerges to the Western MSM machine, it's going to get tarnished with the same rhetoric like that. Honest journalists do exist you know.

I said they weren't any more, or any less biased. That's a compliment.

Not all western journalists are bad either, plenty of good people on either side of the pond.

But don't sit here and tell me that RT doesn't peddle the same kind of pro russian propaganda that CNN peddles about American interests.

That's just silly.

~Tenth

There is a huge difference between how RT reports on Russian interests to how some U.S. media networks report on American interests.

Does RT report when a Russian politician exposes himself to minors on social media the way American media reports on American politicians who do? Or do you believe Russian politicians are perfect?

Probably, why wouldn't they?

Don't twist this around on me, I have no love for politicians of ANY country.

They wouldn't, in fact don't, because RT is charged with making Russia look great in comparison with the decadent West. I don't recall them reporting on that governor who claims to be in contact with space aliens. When they do report on strange behavior or corruption on the part of government officials, it is because the government is publicly justifying their move against them... whether the accusations are true or not. (I can point to any number of show trials to support this.) On the other hand, commercial pressure will lead Western media to report on eccentric behavior and corruption.

I'd like to see more objective journalism from RT, they hardly ever criticizes the actions Russia takes. Yes, I pay attention to that.

It's why I stopped watching Abby Martins' show, it stopped critical thinking and became more of watch my vitriol against Uncle Sam.

Same thing with Crosstalk (which is one of my favorite programs, depending on who they have on). In the past.. I dunno six months or so, it turned into bash America praise Russia, show at least they would give you a token Pro-Washington guy, for the past few shows it's just been them going all in. I thought it was Crosstalk, not sit around the camp fire talking smack.

I like Max Keiser though, his hair says "Pluck it" it's showtime! . I used to tune into his show but Tyler takes care of my doom porn financial news for me.

a reply to: DJW001

Just dropping this YT link to Boiling frogs reports that is done every so often where the reporter looks into the different news sources inside Russia and compares the stories . He even looks at the anti- Putin and the tabloids that are created there as well as official news outlets .

a reply to: DJW001

They wouldn't, in fact don't, because RT is charged with making Russia look great in comparison with the decadent West.

I understand why you would think that, and maybe there is a point there, but I have yet to see it proved. And if that is true, then obviously it isn't as pronounced as it is here in the West.

I don't recall them reporting on that governor who claims to be in contact with space aliens.

Why wouldn't they? Every one is entitled to an opinion, and I'm sure if the journo's at RT deemed it newsworthy, they'd cover it.

When they do report on strange behavior or corruption on the part of government officials, it is because the government is publicly justifying their move against them... whether the accusations are true or not. (I can point to any number of show trials to support this.) On the other hand, commercial pressure will lead Western media to report on eccentric behavior and corruption.

I support independent media as I believe it to be the most reliable, RT uses and gives air time to independent journalists frequently. The best journalism is objective.

I take it we're not supposed to think that someone gave an order not to bump this thread?

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Why wouldn't they?

Because they are controlled by the State and have orders not to run stories like that.

Man, only two pages, this is a big deal people! After getting shafted in the UK, the bear doubles down and expands, boss moves right there.

Im surprised by the lack of participation in this thread, where are the folks that defend Mother Russia heaping praise on this chess moves.

Anyways, they finally put a Pro-Washington guy in on Crosstalk, right after I talked smack.

I just wish Peter doesnt try and shout down his opponents, make your points, truth stands on its own.

a reply to: cenpuppie

The lack of participation on this thread pretty much proves that ATS has been massively infiltrated by Russian trolls. The silence is so deafening as to be terrifying.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: cenpuppie

The lack of participation on this thread pretty much proves that ATS has been massively infiltrated by Russian trolls. The silence is so deafening as to be terrifying.

You sound like a paranoid basket-case.

And maybe if you'd started the thread using a fact base, instead of a fictional one, it may have attracted more attention, just saying

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

And maybe if you'd started the thread using a fact base, instead of a fictional one, it may have attracted more attention,

Please explain. Are you saying that the Russians don't consider Western NGOs to be foreign agents? They do. Are you saying that State sponsored media like Voice Of America do not broadcast propaganda? Are you saying that RT does not receive government funding? Or are you saying RT does not have a presence in French? By all means, if the OP is not true, please explain why.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

And maybe if you'd started the thread using a fact base, instead of a fictional one, it may have attracted more attention,

Please explain. Are you saying that the Russians don't consider Western NGOs to be foreign agents? They do. Are you saying that State sponsored media like Voice Of America do not broadcast propaganda? Are you saying that RT does not receive government funding? Or are you saying RT does not have a presence in French? By all means, if the OP is not true, please explain why.

You seem to have edited your original OP, no more use of the word 'influenced', very wise. Russian media is growing internationally, and on the basis of the quality of journalism, good, it's needed. Despite the fact it's easy to just think people are like herds of sheep, they do actually have their own intelligence to judge the quality of news for themselves.

You automatically assume RT is a bad thing, which is your choice of course, I do not

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

You seem to have edited your original OP, no more use of the word 'influenced', very wise.

Please go back and actually read the OP. I do indeed use the word "influence" because it is apt. (The edit was made to correct the formatting.)

Russian media is growing internationally, and on the basis of the quality of journalism, good, it's needed.

Russian journalism is growing internationally because it is an instrument of the Russian State. Media like RT are funded by the Kremlin to extend Russia's soft power, as you would know if you clicked on the link to the Russian source for the story. I would rather they influence the internal affairs of other sovereign nations through soft power rather than simply sending in troops, as they still sometimes do.

Despite the fact it's easy to just think people are like herds of sheep, they do actually have their own intelligence to judge the quality of news for themselves.

I agree. That's why RT spent so much time providing accurate, unbiased reporting before they started on their program of obfuscating stories that indicate Russian culpability in foreign affairs. (Eg; Crimea, MH-17. Their goal: create the impression that "we may never know the truth," when the truth is really self evident.)

You automatically assume RT is a bad thing, which is your choice of course, I do not

No, you automatically assume that I assume that RT is a bad thing. Have you actually read anything I've written? RT is perfectly legitimate, in exactly the same way as any other state funded medium is. I admit that it can often cover legitimate stories that get overlooked by other media. The thing is, it is ultimately an instrument of Russian soft power.

Now: given that Russian analysts believe that RT is trying to influence the French electorate to vote for Fillon, why do you think that is? Earlier, Russia was funding the far right National Front. Thoughts?

a reply to: DJW001

Please go back and actually read the OP. I do indeed use the word "influence" because it is apt. (The edit was made to correct the formatting.)

Sure it was

Now: given that Russian analysts believe that RT is trying to influence the French electorate to vote for Fillon, why do you think that is? Earlier, Russia was funding the far right National Front. Thoughts?

France's far-right want money off everyone:

France’s National Front is known to have diverse funding streams, but an investigation published this week unveiled a new potential funder: the United Arab Emirates.

www.mintpressnews.com/frances-far-right-national-front-may-soon-by-funded-by-the-united-arab-emirates/221897/

It's all accusation without substance.

That's why RT spent so much time providing accurate, unbiased reporting before they started on their program of obfuscating stories that indicate Russian culpability in foreign affairs. (Eg; Crimea, MH-17. Their goal: create the impression that "we may never know the truth," when the truth is really self evident.)

What truth is that?

Crap, I just spilled my coffee, Russia did it