Christmas shoppers and children terrified by armed police on streets with machine guns

As I said before it is all about the numbers, there are currently around 6000 police officers in the UK with firearms training and over 43000 towns and cities so there is no way of ever bieng able to "protect everyone".

Even if they armed every single active police officer and they all worked the same shift there is not enough for a 4 man squad per town or city.

Unless they bring in the military that is....

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: nonspecific

There are, of course, no guarantees that someone isn't going to get hurt anyway, but you'd rather they do nothing? Because that certainly sounds like what you are saying.

It is. You'll find this mindset is increasingly common - it's better to do nothing and let people die, than let people do something and possibly survive.

People who are allowed to "do something" will gradually realise they don't have to be victims, which in turn makes them angry with the people who are trying to keep them as victims - which isn't the muslim terrorists but the SJWs and craven politicians.

a reply to: nonspecific

Realistically we are probably talking about a dozen major cities and about 30 smaller cities / large towns that will have these types of Christmas markets.

The big one in Hyde Park has good security but the provincial ones like Manchester and Newcastle won't have any whatsoever.

At the very least a visible security presence at these types of places serves as a deterrent to would be attackers and should provide an additional sense of security to those attending.


The idea that you have to protect every location is false logic. We know that these people are looking to hit targets that fit 3 criteria. Large crowds, lack of security and potential symbolism. Christmas markets fit all 3 of those perfectly.

originally posted by: cheesyleps
a reply to: nonspecific

Realistically we are probably talking about a dozen major cities and about 30 smaller cities / large towns that will have these types of Christmas markets.

The big one in Hyde Park has good security but the provincial ones like Manchester and Newcastle won't have any whatsoever.

At the very least a visible security presence at these types of places serves as a deterrent to would be attackers and should provide an additional sense of security to those attending.


The idea that you have to protect every location is false logic. We know that these people are looking to hit targets that fit 3 criteria. Large crowds, lack of security and potential symbolism. Christmas markets fit all 3 of those perfectly.

Not sure where you are but think you might be a bit out on the sizes of some of these places, Manchester has a population of around half a million.

As to Christmas markets nearly every large town and even a lot of villages have them so why not commit acts of terror in a smaller location, by hitting a major city you allow the majority of the population to see a tradegy but think "well I am safe as it only ever happens in places like London".

Sadly, look what happened in Berlin this week.

Warmest respects

Lags

a reply to: nonspecific

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: cheesyleps
a reply to: nonspecific

Realistically we are probably talking about a dozen major cities and about 30 smaller cities / large towns that will have these types of Christmas markets.

The big one in Hyde Park has good security but the provincial ones like Manchester and Newcastle won't have any whatsoever.

At the very least a visible security presence at these types of places serves as a deterrent to would be attackers and should provide an additional sense of security to those attending.


The idea that you have to protect every location is false logic. We know that these people are looking to hit targets that fit 3 criteria. Large crowds, lack of security and potential symbolism. Christmas markets fit all 3 of those perfectly.

Not sure where you are but think you might be a bit out on the sizes of some of these places, Manchester has a population of around half a million.

As to Christmas markets nearly every large town and even a lot of villages have them so why not commit acts of terror in a smaller location, by hitting a major city you allow the majority of the population to see a tradegy but think "well I am safe as it only ever happens in places like London".

As it says next to my name I'm based in Lancashire. I never said anything about the size of our 2nd and 3rd tier cities (though that in itself is a really interesting topic as Britain's population density has a very strange distribution). Manchester is big but is about 10 times smaller than London.