Recount update: PA cuts 23,700 votes from Trump, Protest filed in MI & more

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

In fact I'd really like to know just how far they have gotten in counting the provisional ballots. If they really are at the beginning stages than this election could be her's without a recount!!! They should mostly be Hillary votes.

Why check sources ? If it sounds good to a Dem , post it......

Here's what I wonder: if we can't trust the original count, why would we trust the re-count??

a reply to: JoeP2247

Many PA districts have certified their results. There has been little fluctuation recently - just a few here and there.

The 3 counties I have linked show their results as "official", as in finalized and certified.
The counties that have not been certified show "unofficial".
Some are done counting but have held off certifying because of pending recounts.

The state site shows 100% of the counties have reported.
So there should be no drastic changes.

a reply to: KansasGirl
I had that same thought. If they get their recount why wouldn't they just try and lie to everybody and make up votes for Clinton.
I hope there would be some outside non biased people over seeing the entire process, not just jill stein and her people.

a reply to: BlueAjah

There were provisional ballots cast (who knows how many) they may NOT be counted as yet and won't be until they are verified - so my simple question is how many of them are out there, not yet counted - they have be some or many since they all have to be checked out one by one for accuracy. In California it takes weeks, that is why results keep trickling in and changing totals . My bet is that is what is happening in other states also.

SO you see my point on this - how many provisional ballots have they still to go thru. It could be a lot and will keep changing everytime they update them into totals (my guess).
Joe

a reply to: JoeP2247

The districts that have certified results mean that they have no more provisional ballots to review.
Districts that still have provisional ballots to review will not yet be certified.

The 3 counties mentioned in the OP are "official", or certified.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: JoeP2247

The districts that have certified results mean that they have no more provisional ballots to review.
Districts that still have provisional ballots to review will not yet be certified.

The 3 counties mentioned in the OP are "official", or certified.

Look, I'm not picking sides and by now you should know where I stand on this topic. All I'm pointing out is that a very credible, independent vote counting organization has posted some blockbuster data. This isn't some random person throwing BS out to deceive people, I have to think there is something behind this but even then I still say it's odd that they seem to be the only source with this news so personally I'm taking a wait and see approach. I think if nothing else is heard by tomorrow we can just write it off as an anomaly of some sort but something tells me this isn't the last we'll hear of it.

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Looking for any updates, all I find is this
Trump files to block Pennsylvania recount

"Despite being no more than a blip on the electoral radar, Stein has now commandeered Pennsylvania's electoral process, with an eye toward doing the same to the Electoral College," reads the complaint filed by Trump's attorneys.

Still nothing that goes along with the weird info from your OP source.

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

I did check my source, and hate to say this but it still appears to be valid news.

No. It's not.

Please stop posting this nonsense.

originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

I did check my source, and hate to say this but it still appears to be valid news.

No. It's not.

Please stop posting this nonsense.

It would appear the state hasn't updated Philadelphia county's numbers in their statewide totals yet.

More nonsense...

Screenshot just taken from http://w ww.electionreturns.pa.gov showing Clinton=563,275 Trump=105,876


Now the totals from the Philadelphia election commissioner's site at www.philadelphiavotes.com...(press submit button to see totals) showing Clinton=584,020 Trump=108,748



So comparing these two figures, Trump loses 2,872 votes and Hillary gains 20,745 for a total of 23,617 ...yep, sure looks like fake news to me ...nothing adding up here at all.

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Interesting. But Trump gained according to that. He did not lose.

The percentage split stayed about the same.

a reply to: BlueAjah

I stand corrected, you are right ...Trump gained 2,872 and Hillary gained 20,745.

As unbelievable as it may seem in this age of instant news, I get the feeling no one has noticed this. I'm willing to bet a reporter could get a nice scoop here if they would follow up on this and make a few calls to confirm.

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

It's not certified yet.
Philadelphia is holding for recounts.
Maybe that is why.

a reply to: BlueAjah

You may be right, makes sense to me.

Well isn't this convenient, 15 min ago ABC news picked up the story ...to all the "fake news" accusers, told you so.

Trumps lead shrinks in PA - ABC news

a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

You were ahead on that one!
I did say if it became official I would look again.

The split is still the same, so its not overly surprising But the timing is a bit strange.
The Philly site says the count is complete now, so that should be it.
Philly is the biggest Dem stronghold, so they should be done gaining now.

Trump still has a significant lead, and most counties are done counting.
Philly was the last holdout - which is strange.

I am interested in the sudden timing of the increase in Philly though.
I am more interested in which wards were updated.
There are some wards in Philly set for recount, if the court allows it.
I wonder if these votes were held until the wards were determined.
If they are invalid provisional ballots, they might have been pushed through in the wards that are not going to be recount.
That would be a big in-your-face fraud attempt by the Dems in retaliation for not going along with a recount.

There are some strange games going on.
This election certainly has been interesting.

a reply to: BlueAjah

I have been asking around - provisional ballots ARE still being counted and will be for some time. That is why Hillary's numbers keep going up. They usually never matter - but this time they very well might.

Those voter suppression moves some states made are going to matter now. Maybe those people did show up to vote alright, and maybe they have not all been counted yet because they did not have proper ID.

This is so not over.

Joe

a reply to: JoeP2247
are there enough electoral votes in Pennsylvania to take Donald Trump under 270?