Jill Stein's Real goal- the NPVIC

That stands for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. I came across it while reading a newspaper article...this paragraph should be self-explanatory...

Abolishing the Electoral College outright is a daunting proposition because it would require amending the U.S. Constitution. First, both houses of Congress would have to pass the amendment by a two-thirds majority in each legislative body. Then 38 states would have to ratify it within seven years of its passage. But the reform movement aims to get around that with a simple solution called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Already 11 states, including New York, have passed legislation to join the compact. Collectively, these states represent 165 electoral votes, only 105 votes shy of the 270 threshold. The compact wouldn’t take effect until the pro-popular vote states reach the magic number. Under this system, states that sign onto the compact would award their electoral votes to the consensus popular vote winner.

www.longislandpress.com...

Naturally, I was curious, so googled this. Take a look at the Wiki page , and see which two states have current legislation ready to be voted on.
en.wikipedia.org...

That's right, none other than Pennsylvania and Michigan. Coincidence? Maybe, but that's an awfully handy coincidence. Two states that could end up causing the most controversy with the electoral college due to a questionable at best request for a recount have this legislation pending. What better argument for the popular vote faction to have than 'you're vote almost didn't count due to this system'?

Furthermore, you have to look at how these things play out. If this passes in MI and PA, it's not far fetched to imagine that WI, MN, IN, OH, VA, and CT will follow suit by 2020. OR is also likely to fall. That's a possible 112 more electoral votes added to 165. Guess what happens then? This agreement effectively ends state by state elections and completes a deceptive, but legal end run around the Constitution.

I included this in general conspiracies rather than political conspiracies due to the fact that the know it all talking heads on TV and the nationally syndicated jibber jabber artists in Big Newspapers never mention this. Even the ones that can't stand Trump, and bemoan the fact that he won despite Clinton holding a million plus vote margin in the election. Why? Why doesn't Rachel Maddow or Don Lemon use their pulpit to push this nonstop? I believe that the less attention that they draw to this, the more chance they have on getting it passed by 2020, thus ensuring a victory.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
That stands for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. I came across it while reading a newspaper article...this paragraph should be self-explanatory...

Abolishing the Electoral College outright is a daunting proposition because it would require amending the U.S. Constitution. First, both houses of Congress would have to pass the amendment by a two-thirds majority in each legislative body. Then 38 states would have to ratify it within seven years of its passage. But the reform movement aims to get around that with a simple solution called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Already 11 states, including New York, have passed legislation to join the compact. Collectively, these states represent 165 electoral votes, only 105 votes shy of the 270 threshold. The compact wouldn’t take effect until the pro-popular vote states reach the magic number. Under this system, states that sign onto the compact would award their electoral votes to the consensus popular vote winner.

www.longislandpress.com...

Naturally, I was curious, so googled this. Take a look at the Wiki page , and see which two states have current legislation ready to be voted on.
en.wikipedia.org...

That's right, none other than Pennsylvania and Michigan. Coincidence? Maybe, but that's an awfully handy coincidence. Two states that could end up causing the most controversy with the electoral college due to a questionable at best request for a recount have this legislation pending. What better argument for the popular vote faction to have than 'you're vote almost didn't count due to this system'?

Furthermore, you have to look at how these things play out. If this passes in MI and PA, it's not far fetched to imagine that WI, MN, IN, OH, VA, and CT will follow suit by 2020. OR is also likely to fall. That's a possible 112 more electoral votes added to 165. Guess what happens then? This agreement effectively ends state by state elections and completes a deceptive, but legal end run around the Constitution.

I included this in general conspiracies rather than political conspiracies due to the fact that the know it all talking heads on TV and the nationally syndicated jibber jabber artists in Big Newspapers never mention this. Even the ones that can't stand Trump, and bemoan the fact that he won despite Clinton holding a million plus vote margin in the election. Why? Why doesn't Rachel Maddow or Don Lemon use their pulpit to push this nonstop? I believe that the less attention that they draw to this, the more chance they have on getting it passed by 2020, thus ensuring a victory.

She has as much chance pulling that off as being the next potus in 2020.

The left has imploded, it's broken beyond repair.

Time for them to rise from the ashes with new blood.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Really? I don't follow. In every state I pointed out, the split between GOP and DEMs is close to 50/50. Only Indiana doesn't have a Democrat for a Governor or an election by 2018. Pennsylvania could be the first to fall. I grew up there, visit there many times a year, and can tell you the Republicans there are for the most part Rockefeller Republicans, there are very few Constitutional Conservatives there. I can very easily see Pennsylvania joining.

By the way...this IS how they libs are going to rise from the ashes, by misdirection.

a reply to: Arizonaguy

Hm, what's this place about?

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One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong:

Works by Koza

Koza, J.R. (1990). Genetic Programming: A Paradigm for Genetically Breeding Populations of Computer Programs to Solve Problems, Stanford University Computer Science Department technical report STAN-CS-90-1314. A thorough report, possibly used as a draft to his 1992 book.
Koza, J.R. (1992). Genetic Programming: On the Programming of Computers by Means of Natural Selection, MIT Press. ISBN 0-262-11170-5
Koza, J.R. (1994). Genetic Programming II: Automatic Discovery of Reusable Programs, MIT Press. ISBN 0-262-11189-6
Koza, J.R.; Goldberg, David; Fogel, David; & Riolo, Rick, (Eds.) (1996). Genetic Programming 1996: Proceedings of the First Annual Conference (Complex Adaptive Systems), MIT Press. ISBN 0-262-61127-9
Koza, J.R.; Deb, K.; Dorigo, M.; Fogel, D.; Garzon, M.; Iba, H.; & Riolo, R., (Eds.) (1997). Genetic Programming 1997: Proceedings of the Second Annual Conference, Morgan Kaufmann. ISBN 1-55860-483-9
Koza, J.R.; & Others (Eds.)(1998). Genetic Programming 1998, Morgan Kaufmann Publishers. ISBN 1-55860-548-7
Koza, J.R.; Bennett, F.H.; Andre, D.; & Keane, M.A. (1999). Genetic Programming III: Darwinian Invention and Problem Solving, Morgan Kaufmann. ISBN 1-55860-543-6
Koza, J.R.; Keane, M.A.; Streeter, M.J.; Mydlowec, W.; Yu, J.; & Lanza, G. (2003). Genetic Programming IV: Routine Human-Competitive Machine Intelligence, Springer. ISBN 1-4020-7446-8
Koza, J.R.; Fadem,B.; Grueskin, M.; Mandell, M.S.; Richi, R.; & Zimmerman, J. F. (2011, third edition) [Every Vote Equal: A State-Based Plan For Electing The President By National Popular Vote] National Popular Vote Press. ISBN 978-0-9790107-2-9

Wikipeadia

This guy is an ivory tower egghead who is working on AI, oh and then there's this:

John R. Koza is a computer scientist and a former consulting professor at Stanford University, most notable for his work in pioneering the use of genetic programming for the optimization of complex problems. He was a cofounder of Scientific Games Corporation, a company which built computer systems to run state lotteries in the United States. John Koza is also credited with being the creator of the 'scratch card' with the help of retail promotions specialist Daniel Bower.

Scientific Games Corporation:

The security of Autotote software for the racing industry garnered media attention in 2002 when one of their software developers attempted to steal $3 million through a hole in their software and processes described as "... an example of a very simple exploitation of a rather stupid design flaw." [13] The role of Autotote's software in the 2002 Breeders' Cup betting scandal caused the National Thoroughbred Racing Association to take swift action in the face of a growing outcry once the nature of the scam emerged. It required all tote companies to modify their software to allow bets to be forwarded immediately after a race closed.[22] The Autotote racing division was sold to Sportech PLC in 2010.

Wikipedia

I don't think I want this guy anywhere near our voting systems.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Awesome!! I smelled a rat, but you did the actual legwork. I couldn't figure out why the media really wasn't pushing this. You may have just found the reason why. Great work!

a reply to: Arizonaguy

There are the solidly red states, from Georgia to Utah; all the solidly red states together have 191 electoral votes. To advance further, the compact will need to collect some signatories from this group.

why plan to circumvent the Electoral College is likely to fail

Thats from a leftist also

The "NPVIC" is a blue state pipe dream.

Why in the hell would real swing states give up the power they have over the election of a president?

The answer is they wouldn't; their not that stupid. If they are so inclined to have a Democrat win ... they'll just vote for one; there is no need for them to enter a compact to get their way. (Not to mention that it will also take a few red states to adopt)

Now if those pushing for the NPVIC (CA and NY) feel their voices aren't being heard they have a much easier way to make their Electoral College votes more coveted by a would be president... split their votes along popular vote with in the state. If these two states where not winner take all; the presidential candidates would spend a lot more time there tHan fundraising.


Truthfuly I don't really understand the logic of the compact. It would take almost as much support to get an ammendment passed.

a reply to: FauxMulder

I read that. I respect Silver, but he wrote that in 2014, and had no idea that a crisis could be looming in December 2016 due to Jill Stein. Stein isn't doing this to get Clinton in office, nor is she doing it for money. She isn't doing this to damage Trump, and she isn't doing this to further her personal power. She is doing this to wreak havoc and bring into question the Electoral process. She is tying to nudge PA and MI towards joining, and hoping enough other support joins by 2012 to alter THAT election.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Great research as always !!!

This guy is dangerous.

Needs to be exposed and go viral.

originally posted by: DanDanDat
The "NPVIC" is a blue state pipe dream.

Why in the hell would real swing states give up the power they have over the election of a president?

The answer is they wouldn't; their not that stupid. If they are so inclined to have a Democrat win ... they'll just vote for one; there is no need for them to enter a compact to get their way. (Not to mention that it will also take a few red states to adopt)

Now if those pushing for the NPVIC (CA and NY) feel their voices aren't being heard they have a much easier way to make their Electoral College votes more coveted by a would be president... split their votes along popular vote with in the state. If these two states where not winner take all; the presidential candidates would spend a lot more time there tHan fundraising.


Truthfuly I don't really understand the logic of the compact. It would take almost as much support to get an ammendment passed.

Why would swing states do that? Fear. We still have to see how Stein's gambit plays out, but the narrative can be created that it is possible that a state's electoral votes won't count, meaning individual votes won't matter. Stein isn't trying to win anything, she is like a Kamikaze..sacrificing herself for a greater goal.

It won't take a single red state to get this into play...not one. With the solid blue states and a few purple ones and they have a majority of the electoral votes. I can't see how you believe that it is a pipe dream or just as hard as an amendment. 11 states have signed on and passed into law this act. they are close to 2/3 of the way to their goal already, and with only 21 states they can be totally there. Amendments need 38 states to pass. 21

somebody needs to put this info up on the Trump Transition Team's Twitter.......

twitter.com...

go viral !!

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Good grief. You just cant make this stuff up.

a reply to: xuenchen

no twitter account here. I'm banned

a reply to: Arizonaguy

Wrong time to do that imo. A Republican Congress and President, Can you say National voting ID. She may be doing it to get voting amendments on the table because once that can is opened all sorts of things will be proposed, Perhaps her gamble is to hope for a proportional system amendment which would help 3rd parties? A nationally elected congress that would be proportional would advance greens much farther.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: xuenchen

no twitter account here. I'm banned

I'm thinking about signing up.

I might take the plunge.

I guess it's safe to assume most of the big money to Stein came from NPVIC supporters and NGO groups.



No wonder the $$$$ rolled in so damn fast !!!!

originally posted by: xuenchen
somebody needs to put this info up on the Trump Transition Team's Twitter.......

twitter.com...

go viral !!

I'd recommend someone with a Twitter account sending this info HERE:
twitter.com...

originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: Arizonaguy

Wrong time to do that imo. A Republican Congress and President, Can you say National voting ID. She may be doing it to get voting amendments on the table because once that can is opened all sorts of things will be proposed, Perhaps her gamble is to hope for a proportional system amendment which would help 3rd parties? A nationally elected congress that would be proportional would advance greens much farther.

There will NEVER be a national voter ID without a Constitutional Amendment. The Federal Government's role in elections is clearly defined and the rest is left to the states.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: xuenchen
somebody needs to put this info up on the Trump Transition Team's Twitter.......

twitter.com...

go viral !!

I'd recommend someone with a Twitter account sending this info HERE:
twitter.com...

Oh Yeah !!

Time to fight fire with fire.

Apparently, the Green Party is now scrubbing Stein from their website.
www.gp.org...