It Is Not America's Job To Maintain The World Order

I was watching Obama's Speech at the Asian Conference when I noticed that he said "America has a Special burden to maintain the World Order". (The Conference was a while ago I just haven't had time to make this thread). Obama also used the term "World Order". I noticed specifically he didn't say "New World Order". But none the less. World Order is an interesting term. If you watched both Trump and Clinton at there Campaign rallies with Trump it was always about WE while with her it was always about I/ME. I noticed Trump at multiple rallies he was always saying "We are going to put America 1st and the rest of the world 2nd. " As a Trump voter I took note of that saying and I also took note of what Obama was saying at that Conference. After the election was over of course.

Trumps language was also different. He kept on saying "My Contract to YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE". While Hillarys language went like this "I was Secretary of State, First Lady, Senator etc., I watched her speeches and along with playing the woman card multiple times she didn't even offer what she was going to do DIFFERENTLY(And I have watched ever Speech of both Trump and Clinton whenever I could). She also kept on saying how bad Trump is blah blah blah. I also saw her sitting down at Multiple Rallies having other public speakers speak for her with a chair right next to said person while said person was standing. I mean you want to be President of the Free World and yet you sit down at your own event. Sitting down at your own event shows weakness.

Hillary wanted to bring in thousands of Refugees from the mess that Obama and Hillary created after they drew the red line and then backed off it. Let the people fight there own Civil War. We can't even take care of our own Homeless and we want to create a bigger problem by having the World's Homeless come here? Ya no thanks. THINK ABOUT IT. HILLARY OFFERED NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. Obama's crowd were huge. I'm not voting for Hillary but id go and see the President Speak just out of respect if it was in my home town. Same thing for Bill.

Trump putting America 1st is BIG DEAL. Ever since World War 2 we have been sticking our noses into other people's business trying to do good but it usually ends up backfiring on us miserably. And in worst case scenarios actually creating the Enemy.

Then you got guys like this:

Of course, Rasmussen contended that it is “in America’s self-interest” to preserve “the international order.” But surely not only in America’s self-interest. How about the self-interest of Europe, which today can’t be bothered to spend much on its own defense, let alone for operations elsewhere?

Link: www.cato.org...

America is still a baby compared to European Countries who all have had Empires at one point in time. America is the only Empire in the History of the World that does not conquer other nations and keep the goods. We try "Nation Building". And we usually F_uck that up. The moment we conquered Iraq it should have been made state number 51. The Iraqi people would then get all of are Benefits, Access to Schools and Universities,Rights mostly FREEDOM OF RELIGION BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT, and we get to keep an eye on Russia. ISIS would have never came to existence because the Troops would have been the National Guard of Iraq. But nope we spend Trillions and dont get anything done. And worse we make more enemies than if we hadn't intervened in the 1st place.



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Get with the programme son

You are right! Political correctness will be the demise of the USA. Wars are won by killing your enemy and changing how they think by changing their civilization and how they think over 100's of years to match your own.

If your not willing to do that then your killing people and fighting wars for nothing.

According to the rest of the world (and a lot of American citizens, too), everything the USA does is bad. All they've been saying for years is that we need to "mind our own business." Now we have a president who plans to do that and those same people are calling him a monster.

Here in Japan there are constant protests against the American military presence. But they hate Trump because he suggested maybe it's time to pack up and leave, as we're providing their defense at a huge cost. Now it's "America doesn't want to keep the peace in Asia anymore!"

People just want to take everything they can get from the U.S., but for their pride's sake continue to look down on us.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

America is the only Empire in the History of the World that does not conquer other nations and keep the goods.

America isn't an Empire silly, no matter how desperately your ego wants it to be.

originally posted by: MoreInterior
According to the rest of the world (and a lot of American citizens, too), everything the USA does is bad. All they've been saying for years is that we need to "mind our own business." Now we have a president who plans to do that and those same people are calling him a monster.

Here in Japan there are constant protests against the American military presence. But they hate Trump because he suggested maybe it's time to pack up and leave, as we're providing their defense at a huge cost. Now it's "America doesn't want to keep the peace in Asia anymore!"

People just want to take everything they can get from the U.S., but for their pride's sake continue to look down on us.

Japan also doesn't let any Muslims in there country. No Muslims, No Terrorists.

www.onenewsnow.com...

originally posted by: Morg234
a reply to: Stevemagegod

America is the only Empire in the History of the World that does not conquer other nations and keep the goods.

America isn't an Empire silly, no matter how desperately your ego wants it to be.

Superpower is a word used to describe a state with a dominant position in international relations and which is characterised by its unparalleled ability to exert influence or project power on a global scale. This is done through the combined-means of technological, cultural, military and economic strength, as well as diplomatic and soft power influence. Traditionally, superpowers are preeminent among the great powers.

en.wikipedia.org...

And its not Americans job to maintain the status quo. This Satanic abomination needs a visit from MICHAEL!

a reply to: Stevemagegod

War Spread's and war is bad for most people except arm's merchant's and speculator's and king maker's such as the Rothschild's.

That is a simple fact so America acting as the world's policeman was a good idea in principle, if failed because of prioritizing direct involvement in the internal politic's of other nation's originally as a method to forcefully and counter political ideology's not favored by the newly empowered globalist elite whom had taken control of the state's after moving from or helping to depose there former puppet the British Empire which had the dubious role of international policeman before the states took over following WW2.

In Britain's case it was a logical function given our empire was spread around the globe but in America's case it is not so clear cut, the State's does have vested interest's over seas' and around the globe so it DOES need a viable deterrant and response military presence, it has however been overstretched as it's allies have weakened (in part due to it's own post war involvement in pushing globalism and the dismantling of the old European empire's with un expected but not unforseen result's in the shift of the balance of power and the new uncertainty this eventually brought.

During the first cold war with the Soviet union and Stalin's obvious willingness to invade other nation's if he thought he could get away with it the US role was clear cut and well defined as part of the NATO but after that war it has been little more than a puppet state and corruption has even used it to help to promote and even create a new cold war based on boogeyman tactic's while those Globalist's whom do not have America's constitution at heart and indeed are it's enemy's have moved behind the scene's in America, the European Union and other places to impose a new hidden empire of surveylance and police state rule's upon the mass of humanity within these nation's.

There most certainly therefore remain's a role for a US international police force, Crisis management and GENUINE anti terrorism action's with I have to suggest less interference in the internal politic's of other nation's except were it is the human and right thing to do and not to push vested Oil magnates interests in those nation's (AKA bush et al).

So from an international point of view I believe the world need's the American global Police force, if the US does withdraw from it's role who is going to fill it and gain power, well China for one and they are not as benign or as kind believe me.

What America needs to do though is far more vital for it's security and that of the rest of the world whom have watched with concern, it need's to get it's own internal human right's policy's correct, have less prisoner's, treat it's citizen's as it's founding father's envisioned (with the exception of slavery of course so Abraham Lincoln's point's need to be prioritized there) and bring an end to it's own internal oppression and spying tactic's while restoring the belief of it's own people in it as a righteous power, now to begin with no one is above the law so there are some pretty powerful people in the US - and not necessarily all FROM the US originally - whom need to be brought to account, but that is not going to happen is it and they would rather beat up on pipeline protestors and protect the interests of that Elite over there own people.

Actually we need America, We need it as it was not as it has become with a Stasi like intelligence network watching it's own people and building detainment camp's and possible death camp's with plastic coffin's.

Here is a point as well, given his appointment's Trump is very much NOT going to do anything about the overstepping of it's role by the US homeland security or other intelligence agency's, in fact it may get even worse under him so we will watch the US and see how it develop's BUT I do hope to god it does not get worse for you.

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
Japan also doesn't let any Muslims in there country. No Muslims, No Terrorists.

Stop making things up.

There are over 70,000 Muslims in Japan with over 90% of them being non-Japanese born. Plus there are over 100 mosques in Japan. [Yasunori, Kawakami; JapanFocus.org "Local Mosques and the Lives of Muslims in Japan". JapanFocus.org.]

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
Japan also doesn't let any Muslims in there country. No Muslims, No Terrorists.

Stop making things up.

There are over 70,000 Muslims in Japan with over 90% of them being non-Japanese born. Plus there are over 100 mosques in Japan. [Yasunori, Kawakami; JapanFocus.org "Local Mosques and the Lives of Muslims in Japan". JapanFocus.org.]

You obviously didnt read the article i posted

It Is Not America's Job To Maintain The World Order

Yes it is.

originally posted by: Dan00

It Is Not America's Job To Maintain The World Order

Yes it is.

No it isnt

originally posted by: Stevemagegod
You obviously didnt read the article i posted

Your 'article' was wrong, I provided you an actual Japanese source that shows Muslims are permitted in Japan. Try again.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

I am very sorry, but did you just say:

Hillary wanted to bring in thousands of Refugees from the mess that Obama and Hillary created after they drew the red line and then backed off it. Let the people fight there own Civil War.

?

First of all, I have to address something here. The War on Terror was not invented by Obama or Hillary, but was inherited from Bush. What they could have done, and did not, was stop it, and they damned well should have. But what they should also have done, is take responsibility for the meddling in world affairs by their own administration and the administration preceding theirs, by taking on refugees from the wars they helped pay for, despite their illegitimacy.

That is the humanitarian thing to do, the human thing to do. Also, if you are a fan of personal responsibility, and your country voted for successive governments which favour war as a foreign policy, then take that responsibility to the national level, and suck it up. You do not like immigration being what it is? Fine, quit giving your government money to spend on running proxy wars against Russia, which destabilise entire nations and regions, with inevitable results.

If you do not want immigration, then you will have to force your government to refuse to continue to engage in all forms of preemptive warfare, including the funding, equipping and training of "rebel groups" (read: Actually IS, the CIA run proxy army), bombing runs, drone attacks, and similar, AND wait twenty years for the socioeconomic circumstances that your nations population permitted your government to create in the regions concerned, REPEATEDLY over the course of the last fifteen years, to finally normalise so that peace can return to the areas scoured by war.

If you are not a fan of personal responsibility, then by all means ignore the fact that immigrants are running from scenarios which were created by the people your nations population voted to lead them, repeatedly. But do not ignore it thinking yourself noble or wise for the doing of it.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Stevemagegod

I am very sorry, but did you just say:

Hillary wanted to bring in thousands of Refugees from the mess that Obama and Hillary created after they drew the red line and then backed off it. Let the people fight there own Civil War.

?

First of all, I have to address something here. The War on Terror was not invented by Obama or Hillary, but was inherited from Bush.

Wrong Bill Clinton had 8 Chances to kill Bin Laden and he did not.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

Well, if we are going back that far, then why not to the President who presided over the period in which the CIA first recruited Mr Bin Laden, the president who should have vetoed that activity and punished the people who linked themselves to the man?

The point you made above, makes the point I was making for me. The fact is that none of the presidents of the United States who have been in office during the lifetime of any of the members here, would have treated this situation differently than the president you are shortly going to say goodbye to, and it would be rather ridiculous to assume that the next one along the chain will deal with it differently either.

These are not choices that Presidents make. They are choices made for them, with which they have to live, or risk their lives. They should risk their lives, they should stand up for the people, but they do not, probably never will, because the sort of character that drives a person to become the leader of a nation, rather than a servant to its people, is too fond of its own preservation to take that sort of risk.

originally posted by: MoreInterior
People just want to take everything they can get from the U.S., but for their pride's sake continue to look down on us.

This is one of the most spot-on statements that I have seen in a while, and it doesn't just pertain to foreign peoples, either--there are plenty here in America who profit and thrive off of our system, only to denigrate it at every turn.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: MoreInterior
People just want to take everything they can get from the U.S., but for their pride's sake continue to look down on us.

This is one of the most spot-on statements that I have seen in a while, and it doesn't just pertain to foreign peoples, either--there are plenty here in America who profit and thrive off of our system, only to denigrate it at every turn.

Unfortunately when you're young and it's all you ever hear, you tend to assume it's true. I now have more love and respect for America than I did before I left. I'm not unhappy in Japan but I've spent time in other countries as well, and most of the negative crap people say about Americans is also true for other countries' people, and worse.

Anywhere there's money, there's greed, corruption, and materialism. Americans take for granted that these concepts in general are bad, not realizing that this very understanding is a basic American and Western value. But I know that many people who've never lived anywhere else won't believe that.

We fetishize other cultures without knowing anything about them, meanwhile most Americans have no clue what beautiful and important concepts their own country is supposed to stand for.

a reply to: Stevemagegod

Too bad the whole of the US economy revolves around being at war.

If there was world peace the US would end up a 3rd world country.

It's not in 'America's interest' to remain at war and be responsible for world order, but it is for those who actually run the country, the oligarchs and bankers among others.

Conflict is the most resource rich environment for these people.

~Tenth